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    warnings/infractions/bans are given out daily, you just don't see them. When things go out of hand they get banned. If you see someone breaking the rules and we miss them you can use the report post option.

    posts deleted. :numnum:

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    Osman

    Koul Khara!
    Aug 30, 2002
    61,499
    Let's not exaggerate now. The team clearly can play better football and achieve better results but it's not as straightforward as many fans think it is.

    First thing first - annual overhauls have to stop. Hopefully we're already on that level financially to keep our best players from now on. It's inexcusable to have a revolution every Summer and then expect the coach to deliver CL in an instant. The coach needs quality but also stability to build something successful.

    Second thing is actually related to Allegri as he has to adapt to the new squad. It's no longer built for the 352 because our midfield is no longer extraordinary. We've had an awesome midfield for yeas now, while the attack sucked balls. Now it's the opposite and there are changes to be made. For example Pjanic is no Pogba and that changes a lot. To get the best out of Pjanic, you need to have players who move a lot. That way he can make use of his superb passing. In 352 attack is too often isolated and lacks movement. Add to that inadequate selection when it comes to wingbacks and he's forced to make back passes too often. Higuain is a fantastic striker, that many here undervalue due to the pricetag or 'choker' arguments but the bottom line is he requires service which he's not getting currently (and he still scores!).
    Max has definitely to adjust, and look for other ideas. People who call him a coward or incompetent are going way too far but actually it's reasonable to keep asking questions over his choices which haven't been the bast lately (we've definitely seen better from him in the past). The fact is I wouldn't want to be in Allegri's shoes right now, because he's really got a headache, I'm sure of it. I hope he's still looking for a solution and sees the need for changes/readjustments.

    For me the best solution in terms of tactics would be to go with some kind of 433 for various reasons. Since Pjanic and Higuain are our 'A' players now - that's actually two good reasons to look into this solution. Add to that Cuadrado and Pjaca who are actually good wingers for the formation and Mandzukic who's familiar with it as well. Evra and Licht don't have the engine for wingbacks anymore but in a 4-man defense they'd do very well since they are very good at defending. Dybala would be a false winger (RWF) I guess, because limiting him in any formation would be a crime. He loves that right side and it should be all his, but with ability to go anywhere he wants.
    Overall 433 would allow our team to switch some responsibilities from midfield (which is worse than it used to be) to attack (which improved greatly). That would be me but hey, it's Max's problem as he's the one being paid millions for this shit :D
    Very well put.


    Agree with everything except 4-3-3, wingers/with great fullbacks behind them would take the creative/attacking burden from our diminished in quality CM options, but 3 man attack simply doesnt work for our most important player in Dybala. You cant have him and sign a great FW like Gonzalo and then play a formation they cant coexist. That tactic oughta be only when you resting Dybala, or god forbid the other FW options are injured. FYI I remember Allegri trying 4-3-3 couple times last season, and he had NO plans for Dybala in that set up who was benched early in the season. He played Morata LW lol and Mandzukic/Zaza CF, with Cuadrado out right. He was cathegorically against having Dybala as the CF in that set up to begin with, and the kid is no way a winger, despite how people likes to suggest "but he can cut in" like its that easy. So defenitely this is not a formation I expect him touse when both Dybala and Higauin are available...
     

    Juvellino

    Senior Member
    Mar 19, 2015
    7,145
    i think you are talking about believers in conspiracies and those are not a minority, they are just another kind of stupids. in the end many people will believe whatever they are told, so i would not even differentiate between conspiracy believers who lack the education to see that the "simple explanation" of difficult questions is not necessarily the correct one and the people that believe whatever is displayed on TV or said in the pub.

    how many people believe that we "only use 10% of our brain capacity" ? you just have to repeat it over and over again and people will believe it. coming to speak of it, now i understand why some posters here always post the same BS ... they probably think if they just repeat the same "we are doomed" posts often enough somebody will believe them :p

    the real conspiracy theorists are actually "super" smart in comparision to the conspiracy believers, because they use stupid people for their own gains, writing books about BS and earning money that way without anything else than fiction and anti-semitic influences. just check out this guy Udo Holey he was a feeble minded cab driver but now owns a mansion on mallorca just by taking old anti-semitic stuff combining it with old scifi stories and packaging it as conspiracies. sure enough he is smarter than that and does not believe what he writes, but it is good enough to foil tards to buy and believe his books.

    smart people will take any agenda to gain power, they do not necessarily believe in the story.
    This is a very good point. But i think you are talking about believers in conspiracies and those are not a minority, they are just another kind of stupids. in the end many people will believe whatever they are told, so i would not even differentiate between conspiracy believers who lack the education to see that the "simple explanation" of difficult questions is not necessarily the correct one and the people that believe whatever is displayed on TV or said in the pub.

    how many people believe that we "only use 10% of our brain capacity" ? you just have to repeat it over and over again and people will believe it. coming to speak of it, now i understand why some posters here always post the same BS ... they probably think if they just repeat the same "we are doomed" posts often enough somebody will believe them :p

    the real conspiracy theorists are actually "super" smart in comparision to the conspiracy believers, because they use stupid people for their own gains, writing books about BS and earning money that way without anything else than fiction and anti-semitic influences. just check out this guy Udo Holey he was a feeble minded cab driver but now owns a mansion on mallorca just by taking old anti-semitic stuff combining it with old scifi stories and packaging it as conspiracies. sure enough he is smarter than that and does not believe what he writes, but it is good enough to foil tards to buy and believe his books.

    smart people will take any agenda to gain power, they do not necessarily believe in the story. IMO.
     

    duranfj

    Senior Member
    Jul 30, 2015
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    How is it possible that the reaction to the start of this season is actually worse than last season?


    I'm very confused right now

    Is it because of the draw in Sevilla? He is trying to find the right combinations to make this team work, and yet they still have 15 out of 18 points to start the season, and yes, a draw against Sevilla.

    It doesn't help that Dybala has not been himself at all so far this season.
    IMO
    1) Higuain, for instance against sassuolo Dybala got a clear chance that last year he wouldn't even hesitated about finished it himself, well he tried an unsuccesfull pass to Pipa
    2) Our MF have showed almost zero creativity so Paulo is carrying all our creativity since our very own MF all game long
    3) After some failures and got exhausted he started to look kind of annoying about everything

    So Max is a big part of Dybala current form, not the other way around

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    Summary. We better start playing like Juve.

    Bonuccio saiod it himself.. "this is not the real juve"

    And he is right.

    Allegri, your turn.
    According to somes here Bonucci don't have many clue about his words. Juve is doing great and just being juve
     

    Orgut

    Senior Member
    Dec 31, 2002
    19,326
    Dybala criticism is exaggerated! He is playing well he just didnt score yet...
    As for manager - I was wondering who would you pick as our manager if Allegri suddenly leaves (Real or National team)
    If you have to pick one would you choose Paulo Sousa, Eusebio Di Francesco or other?
    I was wondering how would Di Francesco look if he have a better team to manage
     

    Linebreak

    Senior Member
    Sep 18, 2009
    16,022
    You started your journey on tuz crapping about our bad results for two years
    after that, we were showered in success, records and silverware, so you changed your complaining from the results to our playstyle.


    I wonder, was it hard to make the transition ? And when was the point you realised you were completely wrong and had to change approach ?
    Perfection demands that one doesn't rest on their laurels and give themselves a pat on the back.

    If we want this Juve team to be the best in the world, then we must demand perfection in each and every game. If you can't deal with that then stick to your lane of dacdical analysis.
     

    abrakadaver07

    Senior Member
    Jul 8, 2008
    590
    Woah, hold on. It wasn't Allegri who couldn't place simple passes and gave the ball away like we were still in pre-season. Though he should have brought Pjaca on, or even Hernanes. But not even Lippi could have made us look good on Saturday.
     
    Jun 6, 2015
    11,391
    Perfection demands that one doesn't rest on their laurels and give themselves a pat on the back.

    If we want this Juve team to be the best in the world, then we must demand perfection in each and every game. If you can't deal with that then stick to your lane of dacdical analysis.
    If we want Juve to be the best we need Allegri and the players to work together towards a common goal with clear ideas an the right enthusiasm. Players staying fit would also be a really nice boost. However mine, yours or anybody else's demands on this forum will not get us there.
     

    Hydde

    Minimiliano Tristelli
    Mar 6, 2003
    38,985
    Former Juventus player Massimo Mauro says it is hard to see the Old Lady becoming a great team on current form.

    The Italian champions are once again top of Serie A after six matches played, but Max Alllegri’s team have been criticised for their recent performances.

    As well as a disappointing goalless home draw with Sevilla in the Champions League, the Old Lady suffered a surprising defeat to rivals Inter last week before appearing out of sorts in the narrow 1-0 win over Palermo.

    “I see them in big trouble,” Mauro admitted told QS. “They have a great set of players but it is hard to see them becoming a great team.

    “Against Cagliari and Fiorentina we saw a very interesting Juve but the steps back taken against Sevilla, Inter and Palermo are clear.

    “Having a squad of champions is crucial but it isn’t enough. The Bianconeri still need to find a balance in midfield and, more than anything, a clear identity.

    “The only positive [against Palermo] was the defensive solidity and the ability to kill the game when they were ahead.”

    The 54-year-old does not believe Juve will be able to fulfil their European ambitions if they do not raise the standard of their recent displays.

    “If you play like that in Palermo it is fine, but it isn’t enough in Europe.”
     

    spurdo

    Senior Member
    Jun 4, 2016
    1,917
    Former Juventus player Massimo Mauro says it is hard to see the Old Lady becoming a great team on current form.

    The Italian champions are once again top of Serie A after six matches played, but Max Alllegri’s team have been criticised for their recent performances.

    As well as a disappointing goalless home draw with Sevilla in the Champions League, the Old Lady suffered a surprising defeat to rivals Inter last week before appearing out of sorts in the narrow 1-0 win over Palermo.

    “I see them in big trouble,” Mauro admitted told QS. “They have a great set of players but it is hard to see them becoming a great team.

    “Against Cagliari and Fiorentina we saw a very interesting Juve but the steps back taken against Sevilla, Inter and Palermo are clear.

    “Having a squad of champions is crucial but it isn’t enough. The Bianconeri still need to find a balance in midfield and, more than anything, a clear identity.

    “The only positive [against Palermo] was the defensive solidity and the ability to kill the game when they were ahead.”

    The 54-year-old does not believe Juve will be able to fulfil their European ambitions if they do not raise the standard of their recent displays.

    “If you play like that in Palermo it is fine, but it isn’t enough in Europe.”
    Lol Mauro, such a fake fan who doesn't understand the Juve style
     
    Aug 2, 2005
    4,420
    We had 5 points after 6 games last season. We have 15 points after 6 games this season (which included 3 and 4 goal victories)

    How is our form worse than at this point last season? Are people's memories really this bad or are you doing this on purpose
    Last season we lost 3 Key players (Vidal, Pirlo, Tevez) so it was understandable.

    This season; it is yet a bit early; but the expectations are high cause everyone talked about CL.

    We should not blame the meltdown in here cause Juventus (players, coach, management) is the reason of it.

    Anyway; it is still a bit early to panic :)
     

    PhRoZeN

    Livin with Mediocre
    Mar 29, 2006
    16,930
    Massimo stating the obvious.

    "Midfield" which we all know needs work on but not until Marchisio is back.

    and yes palermo is whole different kettle of fish to european opposition. Massimo belongs here and not in politics.

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    Talking of ex footballers who know our problems. :dule:

    Heres another one.

    Juventus legend Paolo Rossi claims his former club are “lacking brilliance” after their run of unconvincing performances.

    Juve failed to break down Sevilla in the Champions League opener, before losing 2-1 to Inter last weekend and needing an own goal to overcome Palermo, and Rossi feels his side have plenty of work to do if they are to realise the potential of their new-look team.

    “It’s not so easy, neither can you automatically achieve everything,” the ex-Bianconeri striker told Radio Onda Libera

    “On paper, they’re a notch above everyone else due to the potential of their squad.

    “Juve have two quality teams, not just one. Now they must find balance.

    “They lack brilliance. Even in the Champions League against Sevilla, they created several scoring chances but didn’t appear brilliant.”

    Commenting on Juve’s three strikers Mario Manduzkic, Paulo Dybala and Gonzalo Higuain, however, Rossi added: “They are three very different strikers.

    “Higuain remains an extraordinary finisher with his characteristics. You can’t discuss the attacking potential of the Bianconeri, especially Higuain.”
     

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