TBH id prefer we kept one of the "spare" CBs wrapped in cotton wool. No need to risk 3 of them against Dinamo if they're the only three left. But yeah you're right, he'll still almost certainly use the 3-5-2
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You started your journey on tuz crapping about our bad results for two years
after that, we were showered in success, records and silverware, so you changed your complaining from the results to our playstyle.
I wonder, was it hard to make the transition ? And when was the point you realised you were completely wrong and had to change approach ?
after that, we were showered in success, records and silverware, so you changed your complaining from the results to our playstyle.
I wonder, was it hard to make the transition ? And when was the point you realised you were completely wrong and had to change approach ?
How is it possible that the reaction to the start of this season is actually worse than last season?
I'm very confused right now
Is it because of the draw in Sevilla? He is trying to find the right combinations to make this team work, and yet they still have 15 out of 18 points to start the season, and yes, a draw against Sevilla.
It doesn't help that Dybala has not been himself at all so far this season.
I'm very confused right now
Is it because of the draw in Sevilla? He is trying to find the right combinations to make this team work, and yet they still have 15 out of 18 points to start the season, and yes, a draw against Sevilla.
It doesn't help that Dybala has not been himself at all so far this season.
Apparently it's because Juventus will never again be one of the top teams in football.
The real best teams don't go through periods of poor form. They win every single game 5-0 or better. When they lose or draw, it's because the devil himself has come up to earth and placed a jinx on the ball so it won't go in the net for them, because they still dominate.
When Barca went 1 win-1 draw-4 losses between March 20th-April 17th last season, they were in great form and dominating.
When Juventus starts the season with 5 wins - 1 draw - 1 loss... We're absolutely terrible, and the death knell should be sounded on the season already.
Logic.
The real best teams don't go through periods of poor form. They win every single game 5-0 or better. When they lose or draw, it's because the devil himself has come up to earth and placed a jinx on the ball so it won't go in the net for them, because they still dominate.
When Barca went 1 win-1 draw-4 losses between March 20th-April 17th last season, they were in great form and dominating.
When Juventus starts the season with 5 wins - 1 draw - 1 loss... We're absolutely terrible, and the death knell should be sounded on the season already.
Logic.
Agreed. "Wer mit der Herde läuft, muss Ärschen folgen."
However, being part of a minority doesn't make you intelligent though. Conspiracy theorists are a minority too, they must be super smart.
However, being part of a minority doesn't make you intelligent though. Conspiracy theorists are a minority too, they must be super smart.
how many people believe that we "only use 10% of our brain capacity" ? you just have to repeat it over and over again and people will believe it. coming to speak of it, now i understand why some posters here always post the same BS ... they probably think if they just repeat the same "we are doomed" posts often enough somebody will believe them
the real conspiracy theorists are actually "super" smart in comparision to the conspiracy believers, because they use stupid people for their own gains, writing books about BS and earning money that way without anything else than fiction and anti-semitic influences. just check out this guy Udo Holey he was a feeble minded cab driver but now owns a mansion on mallorca just by taking old anti-semitic stuff combining it with old scifi stories and packaging it as conspiracies. sure enough he is smarter than that and does not believe what he writes, but it is good enough to foil tards to buy and believe his books.
smart people will take any agenda to gain power, they do not necessarily believe in the story.
Let's not exaggerate now. The team clearly can play better football and achieve better results but it's not as straightforward as many fans think it is.
First thing first - annual overhauls have to stop. Hopefully we're already on that level financially to keep our best players from now on. It's inexcusable to have a revolution every Summer and then expect the coach to deliver CL in an instant. The coach needs quality but also stability to build something successful.
Second thing is actually related to Allegri as he has to adapt to the new squad. It's no longer built for the 352 because our midfield is no longer extraordinary. We've had an awesome midfield for yeas now, while the attack sucked balls. Now it's the opposite and there are changes to be made. For example Pjanic is no Pogba and that changes a lot. To get the best out of Pjanic, you need to have players who move a lot. That way he can make use of his superb passing. In 352 attack is too often isolated and lacks movement. Add to that inadequate selection when it comes to wingbacks and he's forced to make back passes too often. Higuain is a fantastic striker, that many here undervalue due to the pricetag or 'choker' arguments but the bottom line is he requires service which he's not getting currently (and he still scores!).
Max has definitely to adjust, and look for other ideas. People who call him a coward or incompetent are going way too far but actually it's reasonable to keep asking questions over his choices which haven't been the bast lately (we've definitely seen better from him in the past). The fact is I wouldn't want to be in Allegri's shoes right now, because he's really got a headache, I'm sure of it. I hope he's still looking for a solution and sees the need for changes/readjustments.
For me the best solution in terms of tactics would be to go with some kind of 433 for various reasons. Since Pjanic and Higuain are our 'A' players now - that's actually two good reasons to look into this solution. Add to that Cuadrado and Pjaca who are actually good wingers for the formation and Mandzukic who's familiar with it as well. Evra and Licht don't have the engine for wingbacks anymore but in a 4-man defense they'd do very well since they are very good at defending. Dybala would be a false winger (RWF) I guess, because limiting him in any formation would be a crime. He loves that right side and it should be all his, but with ability to go anywhere he wants.
Overall 433 would allow our team to switch some responsibilities from midfield (which is worse than it used to be) to attack (which improved greatly). That would be me but hey, it's Max's problem as he's the one being paid millions for this shit
First thing first - annual overhauls have to stop. Hopefully we're already on that level financially to keep our best players from now on. It's inexcusable to have a revolution every Summer and then expect the coach to deliver CL in an instant. The coach needs quality but also stability to build something successful.
Second thing is actually related to Allegri as he has to adapt to the new squad. It's no longer built for the 352 because our midfield is no longer extraordinary. We've had an awesome midfield for yeas now, while the attack sucked balls. Now it's the opposite and there are changes to be made. For example Pjanic is no Pogba and that changes a lot. To get the best out of Pjanic, you need to have players who move a lot. That way he can make use of his superb passing. In 352 attack is too often isolated and lacks movement. Add to that inadequate selection when it comes to wingbacks and he's forced to make back passes too often. Higuain is a fantastic striker, that many here undervalue due to the pricetag or 'choker' arguments but the bottom line is he requires service which he's not getting currently (and he still scores!).
Max has definitely to adjust, and look for other ideas. People who call him a coward or incompetent are going way too far but actually it's reasonable to keep asking questions over his choices which haven't been the bast lately (we've definitely seen better from him in the past). The fact is I wouldn't want to be in Allegri's shoes right now, because he's really got a headache, I'm sure of it. I hope he's still looking for a solution and sees the need for changes/readjustments.
For me the best solution in terms of tactics would be to go with some kind of 433 for various reasons. Since Pjanic and Higuain are our 'A' players now - that's actually two good reasons to look into this solution. Add to that Cuadrado and Pjaca who are actually good wingers for the formation and Mandzukic who's familiar with it as well. Evra and Licht don't have the engine for wingbacks anymore but in a 4-man defense they'd do very well since they are very good at defending. Dybala would be a false winger (RWF) I guess, because limiting him in any formation would be a crime. He loves that right side and it should be all his, but with ability to go anywhere he wants.
Overall 433 would allow our team to switch some responsibilities from midfield (which is worse than it used to be) to attack (which improved greatly). That would be me but hey, it's Max's problem as he's the one being paid millions for this shit
Let's not exaggerate now. The team clearly can play better football and achieve better results but it's not as straightforward as many fans think it is.
First thing first - annual overhauls have to stop. Hopefully we're already on that level financially to keep our best players from now on. It's inexcusable to have a revolution every Summer and then expect the coach to deliver CL in an instant. The coach needs quality but also stability to build something successful.
Second thing is actually related to Allegri as he has to adapt to the new squad. It's no longer built for the 352 because our midfield is no longer extraordinary. We've had an awesome midfield for yeas now, while the attack sucked balls. Now it's the opposite and there are changes to be made. For example Pjanic is no Pogba and that changes a lot. To get the best out of Pjanic, you need to have players who move a lot. That way he can make use of his superb passing. In 352 attack is too often isolated and lacks movement. Add to that inadequate selection when it comes to wingbacks and he's forced to make back passes too often. Higuain is a fantastic striker, that many here undervalue due to the pricetag or 'choker' arguments but the bottom line is he requires service which he's not getting currently (and he still scores!).
Max has definitely to adjust, and look for other ideas. People who call him a coward or incompetent are going way too far but actually it's reasonable to keep asking questions over his choices which haven't been the bast lately (we've definitely seen better from him in the past). The fact is I wouldn't want to be in Allegri's shoes right now, because he's really got a headache, I'm sure of it. I hope he's still looking for a solution and sees the need for changes/readjustments.
For me the best solution in terms of tactics would be to go with some kind of 433 for various reasons. Since Pjanic and Higuain are our 'A' players now - that's actually two good reasons to look into this solution. Add to that Cuadrado and Pjaca who are actually good wingers for the formation and Mandzukic who's familiar with it as well. Evra and Licht don't have the engine for wingbacks anymore but in a 4-man defense they'd do very well since they are very good at defending. Dybala would be a false winger (RWF) I guess, because limiting him in any formation would be a crime. He loves that right side and it should be all his, but with ability to go anywhere he wants.
Overall 433 would allow our team to switch some responsibilities from midfield (which is worse than it used to be) to attack (which improved greatly). That would be me but hey, it's Max's problem as he's the one being paid millions for this shit
First thing first - annual overhauls have to stop. Hopefully we're already on that level financially to keep our best players from now on. It's inexcusable to have a revolution every Summer and then expect the coach to deliver CL in an instant. The coach needs quality but also stability to build something successful.
Second thing is actually related to Allegri as he has to adapt to the new squad. It's no longer built for the 352 because our midfield is no longer extraordinary. We've had an awesome midfield for yeas now, while the attack sucked balls. Now it's the opposite and there are changes to be made. For example Pjanic is no Pogba and that changes a lot. To get the best out of Pjanic, you need to have players who move a lot. That way he can make use of his superb passing. In 352 attack is too often isolated and lacks movement. Add to that inadequate selection when it comes to wingbacks and he's forced to make back passes too often. Higuain is a fantastic striker, that many here undervalue due to the pricetag or 'choker' arguments but the bottom line is he requires service which he's not getting currently (and he still scores!).
Max has definitely to adjust, and look for other ideas. People who call him a coward or incompetent are going way too far but actually it's reasonable to keep asking questions over his choices which haven't been the bast lately (we've definitely seen better from him in the past). The fact is I wouldn't want to be in Allegri's shoes right now, because he's really got a headache, I'm sure of it. I hope he's still looking for a solution and sees the need for changes/readjustments.
For me the best solution in terms of tactics would be to go with some kind of 433 for various reasons. Since Pjanic and Higuain are our 'A' players now - that's actually two good reasons to look into this solution. Add to that Cuadrado and Pjaca who are actually good wingers for the formation and Mandzukic who's familiar with it as well. Evra and Licht don't have the engine for wingbacks anymore but in a 4-man defense they'd do very well since they are very good at defending. Dybala would be a false winger (RWF) I guess, because limiting him in any formation would be a crime. He loves that right side and it should be all his, but with ability to go anywhere he wants.
Overall 433 would allow our team to switch some responsibilities from midfield (which is worse than it used to be) to attack (which improved greatly). That would be me but hey, it's Max's problem as he's the one being paid millions for this shit
I agree man. Too many weak-willed losers in here for my liking. They can't see that this guy is bringing us down to Serie B level. Sack, get rid and move on from him before he destroys us further! 
You cant be serious..
People have to understand the parameters are shifting.
If this was 3 years ago, or 2 years ago, I'd gladly taken a horrible display like that with the 3 points in a away game.
However, now we want to get where the bigboys are. We want to compete with the best, now we compare to the best - something unthinkable a few years ago.
And from this point of view of expectations, with international media recognizing Juventus as a contender in CL - first time since Calciopoli -, demands are higher.
Let Bayern, Real or even Atletico win a game like this. Press will kill them. That's the expectations of the highest levels, and if we have any intention of getting anywhere near that club, this is how it's going to work.
Allegri simply has more than enough talent to make the team play much better, and more consistently.
Criticism is due because his choices on lineups are clearly a very strong reason of some early struggles. It's not coming out of nowhere.
So he better be used to this kind of attention. It comes along with success and ambition.
Not to mention the fact that despite spending a huge amount of money, Marotta let the squad go with a very clear and patent weakness, in its midfield. That's not acceptable either, but anyway, Allegri should be doing better this first games. His mistakes have nothing to do with it.
If this was 3 years ago, or 2 years ago, I'd gladly taken a horrible display like that with the 3 points in a away game.
However, now we want to get where the bigboys are. We want to compete with the best, now we compare to the best - something unthinkable a few years ago.
And from this point of view of expectations, with international media recognizing Juventus as a contender in CL - first time since Calciopoli -, demands are higher.
Let Bayern, Real or even Atletico win a game like this. Press will kill them. That's the expectations of the highest levels, and if we have any intention of getting anywhere near that club, this is how it's going to work.
Allegri simply has more than enough talent to make the team play much better, and more consistently.
Criticism is due because his choices on lineups are clearly a very strong reason of some early struggles. It's not coming out of nowhere.
So he better be used to this kind of attention. It comes along with success and ambition.
Not to mention the fact that despite spending a huge amount of money, Marotta let the squad go with a very clear and patent weakness, in its midfield. That's not acceptable either, but anyway, Allegri should be doing better this first games. His mistakes have nothing to do with it.
That's your opinion.I still don't care how we win, why? Because i very well DO remember how bad it was a few years ago. A win is a win is a win. 3 points are 3 points. That's all that matters to me.
Bayern just won 1:0 against HSV with a last minute goal, and why the Atletico mention? They are one of the most ugliest teams to watch.
That's your opinion.I still don't care how we win, why? Because i very well DO remember how bad it was a few years ago. A win is a win is a win. 3 points are 3 points. That's all that matters to me.
Bayern just won 1:0 against HSV with a last minute goal, and why the Atletico mention? They are one of the most ugliest teams to watch.
What? The press doesn't kill them.
Barca didn't get raked over the coals for weeks when they lost to Alaves at the Camp Nou.
Wins are wins. And it's no coincidence that we keep winning. If this mindset was so poor, and style was so poor, eventually it would stop working. But it hasn't. Not for us. Not for Atletico Madrid either, who play even more negative football.
Y'all act like there is only one way to win in football. Nonsense.
Barca didn't get raked over the coals for weeks when they lost to Alaves at the Camp Nou.
Wins are wins. And it's no coincidence that we keep winning. If this mindset was so poor, and style was so poor, eventually it would stop working. But it hasn't. Not for us. Not for Atletico Madrid either, who play even more negative football.
Y'all act like there is only one way to win in football. Nonsense.
Well, Atletico was a poor reference, I admit it.
But what I mean is that we need to build a culture of playing well. We soon will reach our limits within Serie A. If we want it to be a more attractive league, because it needs to be if we want to aim higher, we must offer better play.
You see, this winning ugly thing normally doesnt work in Europe. Not anymore. Atletico may be an excpetion that confirms the rule, because of their exceptional coach.
Btw, the ugly 1-0 is not what Juve is all about. It hasnt been like this all the time. Actually, the opposite. We had spectacular teams in the 70s, in the 80s and in the 90s. Some of the most gifted players ever, beautiful style. The 1-0 dna started in the 2000s and is what we actually must refrain from now. We have to move on. That's the stage we are in.
You look at Juventus players and then you look the players of most teams we played this season. Any average coach would have a 5-1-1 performance so far. It's telling that even when Allegri made mistakes - something widely reckonized - we won or didnt lose, and that's how good our players are.
The demanding for better play is only natural when you look how far Juventus advanced the past years and the players we have.
It's not equal to taking anything of the past years for granted - we should be very grateful. Conte actually performed a miracle his first one or two seasons, along with the board. But we must aim high, that's what I'm saying. It's important so players and coach won't sit on their recent success.
It's time to try to move on to the next level. The clear path would have been keeping our top players (i.e. Vidal and Pogba), but keeping the latter was impossible. Now we must improve without them.
You look at the squad and we have WC players (or top level) left and right. Buffon, Bonucci, Khedira, Pjanic, Sandro, Alves, Dybala, Higuain. It's a hell of an assemble. Coach has the obligation to offer something more than scaping with an ugly 0-1 win at Palermo, where guys walked around 90 min.
The "conserving energy" mentality works in Italy, but if we intend to go further, it has to be put down. Or at least, to be applied after we have at least a 2 goal advantage.
But what I mean is that we need to build a culture of playing well. We soon will reach our limits within Serie A. If we want it to be a more attractive league, because it needs to be if we want to aim higher, we must offer better play.
You see, this winning ugly thing normally doesnt work in Europe. Not anymore. Atletico may be an excpetion that confirms the rule, because of their exceptional coach.
Btw, the ugly 1-0 is not what Juve is all about. It hasnt been like this all the time. Actually, the opposite. We had spectacular teams in the 70s, in the 80s and in the 90s. Some of the most gifted players ever, beautiful style. The 1-0 dna started in the 2000s and is what we actually must refrain from now. We have to move on. That's the stage we are in.
You look at Juventus players and then you look the players of most teams we played this season. Any average coach would have a 5-1-1 performance so far. It's telling that even when Allegri made mistakes - something widely reckonized - we won or didnt lose, and that's how good our players are.
The demanding for better play is only natural when you look how far Juventus advanced the past years and the players we have.
It's not equal to taking anything of the past years for granted - we should be very grateful. Conte actually performed a miracle his first one or two seasons, along with the board. But we must aim high, that's what I'm saying. It's important so players and coach won't sit on their recent success.
It's time to try to move on to the next level. The clear path would have been keeping our top players (i.e. Vidal and Pogba), but keeping the latter was impossible. Now we must improve without them.
You look at the squad and we have WC players (or top level) left and right. Buffon, Bonucci, Khedira, Pjanic, Sandro, Alves, Dybala, Higuain. It's a hell of an assemble. Coach has the obligation to offer something more than scaping with an ugly 0-1 win at Palermo, where guys walked around 90 min.
The "conserving energy" mentality works in Italy, but if we intend to go further, it has to be put down. Or at least, to be applied after we have at least a 2 goal advantage.