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Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,766
He got space to breath last night and how did that work out? Last year was last year. We need him now and he isn't delivering.

Criticism justified.
Wasn't he being used on the left (where he doesn't like to play) when he actually used to start games? Then he got benched. Is it really his fault for being out of form now?
 

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CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,326
He got space to breath last night and how did that work out? Last year was last year. We need him now and he isn't delivering.

Criticism justified.
:howler: you of all people. I'll remember this when Marotta makes the smallest of mistakes in the future.

And sorry, disagree. He had one horrible match, which was yesterday, and before that a bunch of matches being played off position. Pyshically there's nothing that suggests that he had a reason to lose form apart from being separated from a partner that serviced him all the time (Tevez) and again being played as a winger, so it's not like his talent just went away. You and a bunch of people here are being WAY too harsh on him and just choosing to forget what he can do on the big stage.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,766
:howler: you of all people. I'll remember this when Marotta makes the smallest of mistakes in the future.

And sorry, disagree. He had one horrible match, which was yesterday, and before that a bunch of matches being played off position. There's nothing that suggests that he had a reason to lose form apart from being separated from a partner that serviced him all the time (Tevez) and again being played as a winger, so it's not like his talent just went away. You and a bunch of people here are being WAY too harsh on him and just choosing to forget what he can do on the big stage.
... as well as being having Mandzukic as a partner
 

CrimsonianKing

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Jan 16, 2013
27,326
Wasn't he being used on the left (where he doesn't like to play) when he actually used to start games? Then he got benched. Is it really his fault for being out of form now?
Of course it isn't. But you know the tuz...

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... as well as being having Mandzukic as a partner
Two pure CFS :howler:

Truth is we fucked up this mercato, no matter how you look at it. I love Dybala (and think he's adapting well as a secondary striker) but he is a CF and I'll bet whatever you want can perform 10 times better when played deeper. We already had Morata (mind you a guy who put on amazing performances against the best teams in the world, clutch as fuck) then we got 2 more CFs in Mandz and Zaza, no SS, nada.

Then to try and make it work, we push our best AND main striker to partner with another player who shares the same fundamental role, what a surprise!! it doesn't fucking work. Then still trying to fit him in the team we force him to play a winger role. Doesn't work either. :howler

SURE, Hustini and the likes. Let's shit on Morata.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
I'm shitting on Morata now :lol:

The guy is out of form. Heaven forbid long enough to warrant criticism. And then you try and make an argument about Marotta to try and make a case.

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Is it a coincidence that dybala rarely getting true starting spot earlier in the season took his chances as did Mandzukic?


I'm sorry, missing two great chances has nothing to do with being out of form but trying to do too much with the ball.
 

CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,326
You haven't said a single thing that even try to counter argument the points I made. You know why, because despite wanting to hate you know it's true.

If he's really out of form it's for the reasons already stated. And that's not his fault but how we acted this mercato, the players we chose. I have no doubt in my mind this guy having Tevez behind him for another season he'd have an ever better year.

Every single guy who ever played this sport had of these days, missing sitters and etc. It's normal. Now if he continues to have those days then we have a problem but for now he deserves a vote of confidence for what he brought/brings to the table and how our horrible dealing at the mercato has taken a toll on him specifically.
 

CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,326
For the sake of clarity and transparency:

Are you blaming Marotta for his form?
Does Marotta choose who to start and what position? No. Allegri is the one who's forcing him on the wings.

Was he involved in the dealings that saw our SS leave and brought 3 new CFs as replacement? Yes.

To answer your question, I blame both our board and coach but it goes back to our mercato, the players who left and the ones we bought.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
I'm shitting on Morata now :lol:

The guy is out of form. Heaven forbid long enough to warrant criticism. And then you try and make an argument about Marotta to try and make a case.

:touched:

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Is it a coincidence that dybala rarely getting true starting spot earlier in the season took his chances as did Mandzukic?


I'm sorry, missing two great chances has nothing to do with being out of form but trying to do too much with the ball.
He failed quite badly against City, wich nearly costed us, and against Sevilla, wich significantly costed us.
Criticism is fair, when its about his form, and that he has to get his stuff togheter


However, everyone right in their mind knows that form is temporary and class is permanent
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
With wich i obviously meant the second game.


If he was in a decent form like the first game, he'd have scored against city in the return and sevilla. Actually, if he finds form, him and dybala would become quite deadly, considering the significant improvement of dybala


Compared to season start, Dybala has taken over quite a bit of the characteristics the team needed form tevez when we have the ball. Skillfull player that can take the ball, move forward and keep it, distribute it, can do great things with it.
 

pavluska

Senior Member
Apr 25, 2013
7,339
We played well yesterday, both teams did. It was a good game of football.

There was nothing wrong with the tactics or the starting lineup. We did enough to win or at least draw, but Morata's finishing let us down. Had his first sitter gone in in first half, it would have been game over.

Allegri couldn't have made any more subs either (probably the silliest complaint out of all the odd ones). His options were Neto, Rugani, and three youth players.

The result is frustrating, but the only thing you can really complain about is Morata's finishing. It was probably nerves and a lack of confidence after being benched (he's usually clutch though), so I'm not mad at him, but I'm disappointed. You can't miss sitters like the one in first half at this level.
 

napoleonic

Senior Member
Sep 7, 2010
4,129
You can't miss sitters is not a logical complain anyway, arguably it often happen to everybody no matter how good they are, even messi has rather terrible penalty conversion rate while I'm sure there are semi pro footballers out there who have maybe 100% penalty conversion rate in all their career.
 

KB824

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2003
31,789
Again, Morata has been our go to guy last season with Tevez. If he can't sort himself out mentally in this particular moment then he has no business being at this club.

If he is willing to put in the effort and have the patience it takes to get his scoring feet back then great for him. Allegri has always nurtured the younger guys and I'm sure he has had 1v1 convos with him so its all on Morata at this point. Can't blame Allegri.
I find this really odd coming from you since you have been one of several people (present company included) that have been pushing the cause of building a young Juve squad, well aware of the highs and lows that come with it in terms of production and consistency
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
I find this really odd coming from you since you have been one of several people (present company included) that have been pushing the cause of building a young Juve squad, well aware of the highs and lows that come with it in terms of production and consistency
Sure but needless to say he is out of sorts. If he can manage to pull himself out of the hole and lead like he did all last season then fantastic. Our team has changed as CK said he doesn't have Tevez next to him to make it all easier. But the new guys are stepping up, isn't it usually the other way around? It appears he doesn't respond well to the pressure.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,535
Too much shit here, not even gonna go through it all. I'll just say this; you'll all cry like bitches when Morata moves back to Spain and Mandzukic (who's getting to his 30's) decides to finish his career somewhere else and we'll end up with who the fuck knows.

The kid showed some balls last season by being a fundamentally important piece in the team that reached a CL final and ended with 2 trophies. He was there when we needed him the most. Now show some fucking respect and give him some room to breathe, yes? It's the least he deserves.
Amen
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,766
Sure but needless to say he is out of sorts. If he can manage to pull himself out of the hole and lead like he did all last season then fantastic. Our team has changed as CK said he doesn't have Tevez next to him to make it all easier. But the new guys are stepping up, isn't it usually the other way around? It appears he doesn't respond well to the pressure.
You're exaggerating how bad he's been
 

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