Massimiliano Allegri (182 Viewers)

[KB824]

Well I think he's the least worthy of the three nominees so he's effectively taking Allegri's spot. Unless they make the list 4 or 5 guys, then fine.

While that may be true, it is also hard to argue what Bayern has done for the calendar year of 2015, in its totality.

What I would be interested in seeing, is if there is any sort of transparency from those who made came up with these nominations as far as explaining the rationale behind not having Allegri on the list. Because to me, he is being punished for the first three home matches this season. If this club takes care of business, they are in 2nd place in the league, with a CL spot already in the bag. But then again, maybe they should have actually waited until the end of 2015 before they came up with these nominations.

 

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[Post Ironic]

The cut off date for these awards is ridiculous. They need to either make the calendar year in total, or make it the season + summer international tournaments which would make the most sense. This throwing the first 8 weeks of the new season into consideration makes the awards stupid.

 

[DAiDEViL]

The cut off date for these awards is ridiculous. They need to either make the calendar year in total, or make it the season + summer international tournaments which would make the most sense. This throwing the first 8 weeks of the new season into consideration makes the awards stupid.

 

[Ventus]

As far as last year's results are concerned Max should have been on the list. Arguably he had better season than Guardiola.

he did have a better calendar year than Guardiola. Bayern's season was fairly modest for what their team could have achieved.

 

[Khunglongkhelua]

A month ago there would be 0 people complaining Allergi not nominated for a coaching award

 

[Hydde]

I must say I feel a bit foolish since I was just on the boarder where I thought he had to go. Probably even stepped over it after the second Borussia gamem

Dont feel ashamed,
Until not long ago, he was on the brink of disaster. He pulled the finger out of his ass and is getting results now, as he should.

Of course Guardiola is the better friggin coach, does it even need to be said? But obviously unless it's ultra short list, he should be nominated on the sole merit of double last season.


To damper this Choo choo Dai hype train, I would say if we can find a better option (opportunities arise randomly at times) I would defenitely say to Allegri thank you for everything and move on in the summer.

based on what? the guy is a fukin goldigger gloryhunter.

Guardiola started at barcelona with the best team in the world
Stopped when they peaked.
Joined the team that utterly brutalised them
neutered them from the best team of the decade to just "a very very strong team".


When he goes to a team that is not Bayern or Barcelona, and he actually has to play evenly matched opponents, his shortcommings as a coach will shine.



Cmon Osman. Luis enrique is repeating what he did, and we know that he is good but not that good either.

totally spot on on everything

The cut off date for these awards is ridiculous. They need to either make the calendar year in total, or make it the season + summer international tournaments which would make the most sense. This throwing the first 8 weeks of the new season into consideration makes the awards stupid.

 

[Osman]

based on what? the guy is a fukin goldigger gloryhunter.
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Based on common friggin sense? Are you kidding me?

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Truthfully, what do you base that statement on, and is this something you allways thought? Allegri is for sure better then one of the top few best coaches around, becasue? I find it harder to buy when I quickly searched 1 basic term on this thread, a month ago you said:

Fire his ass

Ill be honest...he needs to get fired.

can we fire his ass already?

cant stand listening to his stupidities

Like you are 100% legit with it really?

 

[Zacheryah]

This is insane, try to be more balanced, Mourinho himself hints at that he flopped considering ggr expectations at Real. He was there for a goal he couldn't get, Ancelotti could.

Look at what real was doing before mourinho. They were total crap and despite their billions, couldnt even tie barcelona's boots. Higuain arguably better then Ronaldo.

In comes Mourinho. Ronaldo explodes, Real explodes, bunch of semi finals in a row, an excellent base is build. Managed to put up a fight against an impossibly good team. This despite having to work with different style and different players.

In comes ancelotti, arguably the best possible coach considering playstyle. finishes Mourinho's work.

During his stay at Madrid, Mourinho kept asking and asking for central defenders and defensive midfielders of quality, wich he never got.





I'll push a sensitive argument. In 13/14, if Mourinho took over from heynckens instead of Guardiola, Bayern would have won a another championsleague by now, if not both

Mourinho was perfect for Bayern.
Ancelotti was perfect for Madrid
Guardiola was perfect for Barcelona.

If Guardiola goes to City, he'll need alot of new signings, or he'll fail.

 

[Osman]

Mourinho was supposed to be perfect for Real, he wasnt at all, why do you praise him for coming short in Real while you critigue Pep for the same in Bayern? How the heck is Mourinho supposed to be perfect for Bayern? The opposite is bit likely IMO, he is a defensive/pragmatic coach. Not exactly the best fit for the Bayern generation of past years. Especially now that he has regressed more as a coach, way too cautious/unimaginative with Chelsea in CL, as he was the same Real in CL too, and most importantly way too divisive figure, invites needless conflict and tension that backfires eventually due to his ego.

 

[Zacheryah]

Mourinho perfect for real ?


What idiot ever said that ?

 

[Osman]

Alot of people. You know something I never ever heard before? Mourinho being perfect for Bayern, the club of strong characters in their hierarchy that demand attacking footie that imposes itself on opponents.



Or wait Lothar Matthäus alluded to Mourinho being good for Bayern before, but that if anything devalues the notion considering its Lothar friggin Matthäus...

 

[DeviAngel]

Mourinho is perfect for Serie A

 

[Osman]

His football philosphy is, his persona isnt (basically chased out of the country due to it, similar thing occured in Spain, became toxic). His antics were called out by everyone as childish/overboard, he was spoilt by England and its media who indulged in that kind of celebraty culture.

Also for such a tactical coach, he is someone who is NOT used to having weekly opposition that study and try to adapt to you in every way, he regurarly complained about that during Inter, the tactical obbession of small team coaches, which is a weird thing to nag about for someone who sees footie the way he does.

 

[Zacheryah]

Alot of people. You know something I never ever heard before? Mourinho being perfect for Bayern, the club of strong characters in their hierarchy that demand attacking footie that imposes itself on opponents.



Or wait Lothar Matthäus alluded to Mourinho being good for Bayern before, but that if anything devalues the notion considering its Lothar friggin Matthäus...

I was against it from the start, and i've voiced that opinion.


Lets think about your previous post cause its contradicting.



Mourinho is a coach that works with a strong organisation and a highworkrate and tactical guidelines for every player. At Porto, Chelsea, Inter.
At Real Madrid, they refuse to even invest in defensive or organisatorial players. And you have to play offensive and flairfull since like forever.
Ancelotti even got slack because he was playing too deep. Too direct from behind.
How exactly did such offensive and flair club suit Mourinho who's rather defensive, organisational and workrate ?

'Bayern's recent generation, hold a second there mate".

In 2010 Bayern made the final. They really werent that good. They were usually undergoing the play, and worked their way to goals. See for example, beeing totally butchered by Manchester United, and somehow scoring clutch goals on the counterattack when Man Utd was not finishing the deal. Van Gaal played a strict and static formation, but was fired.

What did heynckens got ? Defenders and defensive midfielders. And very good ones. Bayern was all about aggressive pressing and recovering, and direct attacking play. High workrate all over the place from everyone.


Now where does Mourinho fits better. A Madrid that doesnt buy anything besides flair and forces to attack ? Or Bayern who's biggest transfer was a 40 million defensive midfielder (javi martinez), that is all about workrate, pressing and direct football ?

 

[Osman]

Mourinho's football is not that direct nor aggressive, especially anymore, its extremely cynical and cautious. Just because Bayern arent galactico free for all hollywood attitude organisation like Real doesnt mean Mourinho would exactly suit Bayern either. I dont think they would be too fond of his ever increasing negative football ideas. CL with Chelsea shows that perfectly, he way way too cautious and has been beaten more then once because he is too afraid to take risks and settles for draws with Chelsea, or refuses to take control or build up the midfield in Real days (they got walked over in CL not because they werent defensive enough, but because they were too predictable with the ball, easily closed down due to simple approach, shut down Xabi = Mourinho has no more ideas). Just because they got defenders or defensive midfielders who press doesnt make them ideal to Mourinho approach. Heynckes (who btw gets increasingly more overrated after each passing year) approach was alot more mobile and offensively gunho, even if he was out of touch a bit in closed down tactical games.-

 

[zebrettino]

My issue here is not the fact that Guardiola is on this list, it is that Allegri is not.


The two are mutually exclusive of each other.

I don't think Pep should be on the list. What did he win last year that wasn't a virtual guarantee? FIFA and UEFA awards are just an exercise in marketing, having two players win the Ballon d'Or 8 years in a row is just a farce. It doesn't matter what they or their teams actually achieve, they win because they're the most heavily marketed players in the world, playing for the two most commercialized teams. You'd think every year was a Clasico CL final, though we haven't had that yet, no doubt much to the chagrin of Nike, Adidas and UEFA execs. Same goes for Guardiola, he's the most well-known coach.

 

[j0ker]

I don't think Pep should be on the list. What did he win last year that wasn't a virtual guarantee? FIFA and UEFA awards are just an exercise in marketing, having two players win the Ballon d'Or 8 years in a row is just a farce. It doesn't matter what they or their teams actually achieve, they win because they're the most heavily marketed players in the world, playing for the two most commercialized teams. You'd think every year was a Clasico CL final, though we haven't had that yet, no doubt much to the chagrin of Nike, Adidas and UEFA execs. Same goes for Guardiola, he's the most well-known coach.

Except that no player came even close to Messi and Ronaldo during these 8 years.

Marketing or no marketing they were simply the best.

 

[Osman]

Thats its marketing machine and it effecting its choices its obvious, from top 10-20 or 50 players lists to the coaching lists etc. FIFA machinery.

But no way that applies about the two best players in the world who keep winning, they fully deserve it, no one comes close to their crazy dominating consistently all these years they won. Being third best to them is the highest ceiling most if not all these players can amount to. And it shows the others consistency when their interchange in that position, they cant be at their top enough to be sure fire 3rd even most of the time. Closest before was Suarez, occasionally Robben, but never really last to that level fully. Right now best bet and overall higher ceilling talent is Neymar, best form for 2 months. But lets see if he can do what they almost done a decade straight (Messi been in top 3 consideration for 9 years straight, CR close to similar consistency), have a full season in the way he has been going at past couple months. Only then can you talk about truly competing with them in the long run. IMO he will overtake CR coming years if he keeps scoring more since he is already the overall more complete player now, but its a tough task still.

 

[duranfj]

2010. Messi did suck. CR7 did suck. Sneijder and Iniesta were best players by far. Who won? Adidas Messi

 

[Osman]

LOL...Ok...very nice use of suck:

Messi 2009-2010 53 games - 47 goals

Cristiano Ronaldo 35 games - 33 goals.


Allways the same recycled arguments that cant differentiate team success with individual success. Best players by far? For being part of winning teams? Sneijder was in winning team for CL, got the reward for it by winning the team award, as in CL...he was nowhere close to their standard individually to get an individual award, wasnt even the best overall player for Inter. Would barely make their top 3, since he personally had very average league season, Milito was by far, infact he is the most robbed on, barely made a blip in golden ball ranks, forgotten due to being WC bench warmer for shitty Argie. He had a top stellar full year (decided coppa final, final scudetto game AND the friggin CL final, Sneijder nowhere near him whatsoever). Then after him 2nd best ones was IMO Maicon and their defenders/DMs who did alot of the consistent heavy lifting. Sneijder was in excellent form in needed moments in CL and good WC, but not much more for overall season.

Iniesta was fantastic in WC (fully recovered from injury and passed long enough to become consistent agaain), but mainly he gets the hype for scoring deciding goal, he spent most of that season injured or inconsistent/very mediocre for Barca. Anyone who would said he was better then Messi for Barca before that WC final would been laughed off big time. WC year matters alot for these awards, but it has to make sense for the overall year and the consistent top quality of the players, if its a close call between Top players with top overall years then the one who stands out more in WC usually gets it, but is that the case allways? Iniesta delivered when needed in WC, and was awarded for it in actual tourno for it. But requires more then that to excuse why he was mostly a no show for most of the rest of the year, Messi was the best La Liga and CL player that year, for simply outperforming the competition individually with huge decisive numbers (Inter were the better team, operative word being team, group effort). Closest teammate in importance was Xavi not Iniesta. But Xavi didnt score WC final goal so for you he sucks too probably, while this guy who had this season was by far the best?

"Iniesta's 2009–10 season was largely disrupted by recurrent injuries. He missed pre-season fitness training[36] due to the thigh tear suffered in the 2009 Champions League final, and this meant that despite featuring in almost as many matches as the previous season, he did so mostly as a substitute, starting only 20 games throughout.[37] Nevertheless, Barcelona once again won the La Liga title, securing a record 99 points. His season came to an end after he aggravated a previous calf injury during training.[38]"