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Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
I don't get how people here rate coaches? Is their some esoteric measure that says coaches who have won nothing or very little at small clubs are better than coaches who have won a lot at the biggest clubs?

Even those "great" coaches that managed to win trophies for small clubs fail all the time at big clubs. Look at Mourinho at Real Madrid. Look at Benitez everywhere after Liverpool. And so on and so forth.

You judge coaches by their results, and whether you like Pep and his tactics he gets results wherever he goes and certainly helped maximize the results of his Barca teams that won so many trophies. And that makes him one of the best coaches in football.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
34,973
Thanks for the life line, I was starting to think I'm drowning in blind stupidity here lol.


And agreed with rest, I thought Pep / Bayern won double too, in that case Allegri should be ahead of its only for last season.
I don't like Guardiola however if one says he ruined Heynckes Bayern, you got to be extremely stupid and it basically it shows your level of understanding the game.
The work he's done for Bayern is being realized this yr where they look absolutely unplayable this ignoring previous seasons where he's won the league by a record margin.Not like you win CL and reach finals every yr.That's the kind of benchmark he's set.
Ask any educated Bayern fan and he'll immediately say that he's one of the best if not the best coaches they've had.
This Bayern looks more intimidating than Heynckes Bayern but this time there's a very strong Barça as a challenger for the CL.Two teams playing football on another level.
This forum's stupidity sometimes makes me defend even my most dislikeable people like Messi , Guardiola etc
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Luis enrique was fired in serie a, and won a trebble with an inferior iniesta and messi, without xavi.

Guardiola only ever managed the best team.

Mourinho for example, won a trebble with an inferior porto and inter.

Ancelotti won several CL with very different teams, and his madrid was a big task of balancing around.

I dont rate guardiola, unless he wins things with what is not by a landslide the best team
And Mourinho flopped at Real Madrid with unlimited spending power.

And stop bringing up Luis Enrique at Roma. He managed Roma for 1 year. A shit Roma in turmoil. The very next season he managed to get Celta to 9th in La Liga. He's an excellent coach as seen by the last couple years.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
I don't like Guardiola however if one says he ruined Heynckes Bayern, you got to be extremely stupid and it basically it shows your level of understanding the game.
The work he's done for Bayern is being realized this yr where they look absolutely unplayable this ignoring previous seasons where he's won the league by a record margin.Not like you win CL and reach finals every yr.That's the kind of benchmark he's set.
Ask any educated Bayern fan and he'll immediately say that he's one of the best if not the best coaches they've had.
This Bayern looks more intimidating than Heynckes Bayern but this time there's a very strong Barça as a challenger for the CL.Two teams playing football on another level.
This forum's stupidity sometimes makes me defend even my most dislikeable people like Messi , Guardiola etc
lol, not even close
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
I would put Allegri ahead of Guardiola too but let's not forget this award is for the calendar yr 2015 not for the 14-15 season so Allegri's poor start this season along with Guardiola's blistering start with Bayern dents his chances so it's kind of understandable even though I don't completely agree.

Having said that , one must be absolutely retarded to deny Guardiola isn't a better coach than Allegri.
You can't judge someone like that and they - usually - never do.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
And Mourinho flopped at Real Madrid with unlimited spending power.

And stop bringing up Luis Enrique at Roma. He managed Roma for 1 year. A shit Roma in turmoil. The very next season he managed to get Celta to 9th in La Liga. He's an excellent coach as seen by the last couple years.
Flopped ?

Madrid was garbage, when mourinho came they finished in the semi finals for several consecutive seasons, won la liga again, and finally kicked a dent in barcelona's immortal status in spain.

All this while forced to play a style that isnt his preferred one, and not remotely getting the players he needed in defence and organisation.


Mourinho was a key element in Madrids return to the very top.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
And Mourinho flopped at Real Madrid with unlimited spending power.

And stop bringing up Luis Enrique at Roma. He managed Roma for 1 year. A $#@! Roma in turmoil. The very next season he managed to get Celta to 9th in La Liga. He's an excellent coach as seen by the last couple years.
spending power =/= team quality
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
18,943
Wait, cut the deflecting focus on Barca this or that, just to make sure I'm hearing you all right, Allegri is in overall better then Guardiola? Is that it?
No, but Allegri's coaching achievement in the past year > Guardiola's coaching achievements during the same time.
But I think we agree on that anyways from reading your later posts :D

To damper this Choo choo Dai hype train, I would say if we can find a better option (opportunities arise randomly at times) I would defenitely say to Allegri thank you for everything and move on in the summer.
Yes, but I do not think that there are that many better options out there. Simeone, Ancelotti, Guardiola, maybe Klopp, Enrique, Conte, perhaps Emery,...who else?

I'd have a rather hard time accepting anyone other than them, and probably two or three others I've forgot. And I don't see many of them to become available in the summer.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
lol, not even close
You mean Heynckes Bayern that had to rely on away goals rule to progress from Rof16 against Arsenal 3-3. They lost 2-0 at home to Arsenal. This Bayern looks just as good. Will they be as successful? Who knows. Same deal with Barca.

And last year's Barca easily was as good as that Bayern. Easily.

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Flopped ?

Madrid was garbage, when mourinho came they finished in the semi finals for several consecutive seasons, won la liga again, and finally kicked a dent in barcelona's immortal status in spain.

All this while forced to play a style that isnt his preferred one, and not remotely getting the players he needed in defence and organisation.


Mourinho was a key element in Madrids return to the very top.
You argue such ridiculous points sometimes. He won 1 Liga, and 1 won Copa. Hardly massive success :lol:

Get over it. Pep is objectively one of the best coaches in football whether you like him or not. It's incredibly ridiculous to say otherwise.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
You mean Heynckes Bayern that had to rely on away goals rule to progress from Rof16 against Arsenal 3-3. They lost 2-0 at home to Arsenal. This Bayern looks just as good. Will they be as successful? Who knows. Same deal with Barca.

And last year's Barca easily was as good as that Bayern. Easily.

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You argue such ridiculous points sometimes. He won 1 Liga, and 1 won Copa. Hardly massive success :lol:

Get over it. Pep is objectively one of the best coaches in football whether you like him or not. It's incredibly ridiculous to say otherwise.
they still progressed

as for Guardiola, one of the best coaches right now, yes. the best coach (or better than Allegri), no

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@X @Enron @JuveJay

Trolling is infraction worthy right?
you mean what you do quite a lot is infraction worthy

telling mods to infract someone is also not allowed, so please roll back to your hole again
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,499
Flopped ?

Madrid was garbage, when mourinho came they finished in the semi finals for several consecutive seasons, won la liga again, and finally kicked a dent in barcelona's immortal status in spain.

All this while forced to play a style that isnt his preferred one, and not remotely getting the players he needed in defence and organisation.


Mourinho was a key element in Madrids return to the very top.
This is insane, try to be more balanced, Mourinho himself hints at that he flopped considering ggr expectations at Real. He was there for a goal he couldn't get, Ancelotti could.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,847
What is this award based on? How can Allegri not be there. He almost won the treble. He had a worse team than Guardiola but made it further in the CL. He lost Pogba and still made it to Real Madrid, then smashed them. A team that killed Pep the year before. If this award is about results then Allegri had better results. He achieved more with less.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,847
My issue here is not the fact that Guardiola is on this list, it is that Allegri is not.


The two are mutually exclusive of each other.
Well I think he's the least worthy of the three nominees so he's effectively taking Allegri's spot. Unless they make the list 4 or 5 guys, then fine.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,040
What is this award based on? How can Allegri not be there. He almost won the treble. He had a worse team than Guardiola but made it further in the CL. He lost Pogba and still made it to Real Madrid, then smashed them. A team that killed Pep the year before. If this award is about results then Allegri had better results. He achieved more with less.
:agree: As far as last year's results are concerned Max should have been on the list. Arguably he had better season than Guardiola.
 

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