Massimiliano Allegri (181 Viewers)

[duranfj]

They (FIFA) dont NEED to. The two crazy players are effortessly outcompeting everyone else, its not their fault no one else can keep up whatsoever. Both are all time level historical players. Normal top players dont compete with players at that level. Why is it so hard to give their obvious dues? I mean who the fvck likes of Sneijder in comparison? Has one top year in his whole career and even then not half of what they do, and he completely dissapears to mediocrity afterwards, why would you need some conspiracy to easily prove you are better likes of that?

2010. Messi won la liga, lost UCL, lost cup and lost World Cup in QF.
Sneijder won serie a, won cup, won UCL and lost final against spain.

I dont care if his last name is messi, but isn't so hard to see that Fifa, uefa and adidas gave this present to messi... For free

 

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A month ago there would be 0 people complaining Allergi not nominated for a coaching award

Retard

 

[Post Ironic]

Messi is obviously winning it. But if we consider that allegri's team beeing 5th in serie a and leading its CL group is enough to whipe out his near trebble last season, then apparently Neymar's insane display this season so far should give him an edge over messi.

Mind you, messi was having a "lesser" season last year. Neymar wasnt far off him. But he has been far superior so far.


I'm just saying, that they are using different weights, and thats annoying as fuck. Either Allegri makes the obvious list cause his amazing last season and good european results this season, and Messi wins. or apparently not doing well in domestic competition for 8 games is so important, and then neymar should win

I think we all agree that Allegri should be on the list over every coach but Enrique and perhaps Sampaoli. Allegri is definitely deserving of that top 3 nomination for coach of the year. It's silly he's been left off.

But until Allegri wins more, and a lot more, Guardiola is the better coach career-wise. It doesn't matter that he's coached great teams. There's a reason for that. And not every coach succeeds with great teams. Capello era Juventus, Mourinho era Madrid, every coach of PSG or ManCity... and so on. I dislike Pep, but he's a damn good coach, and definitely a level above Allegri in terms of career thus far.

Still, Allegri > Pep last year.

 

[duranfj]

Best players make their teams win everything. Futbol is a team sport, If CR7 does 15 penalties, 30 goals against mediocre bottom table team, noone really cares.

That's why Pele is what it is. You have to show up when It matters most.

Dont be blind, true glory is WC. Sneijder took his Team to the final, he scored almost all the importants goals in that cup, meanwhile messi was in a safari...

In the same page, Ref in UCL always are with Barca. That's not new, for almost a decade ref had played an important role in at least a couple of their titles. Does It means they aren't the best? Not. Does It means they shouldn't won? Obviously they shouldn't

 

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2010. Messi won la liga, lost UCL, lost cup and lost World Cup in QF.
Sneijder won serie a, won cup, won UCL and lost final against spain.

I dont care if his last name is messi, but isn't so hard to see that Fifa, uefa and adidas gave this present to messi... For free

Do you not understand that Ballon d'Or is for the "best" player of the year... And not the best player on the best team. Spain and Holland were dominant teams. They weren't led by a single dominant individual, they were collectives. It was the same with Bayern's treble, Ribery was their best player, but he was by no means the best player in football that year. Messi and Ronaldo have been the 2 best players in football each year for the last 8 years. Doesn't matter what their team's did. That's irrelevant. The award is for best player, regardless of team. Messi had 47 goals-13 assists in 53 games for Barca in 2010. No one else comes even close to deserving that award.

 

[Zacheryah]

I think we all agree that Allegri should be on the list over every coach but Enrique and perhaps Sampaoli. Allegri is definitely deserving of that top 3 nomination for coach of the year. It's silly he's been left off.

But until Allegri wins more, and a lot more, Guardiola is the better coach career-wise. It doesn't matter that he's coached great teams. There's a reason for that. And not every coach succeeds with great teams. Capello era Juventus, Mourinho era Madrid, every coach of PSG or ManCity... and so on. I dislike Pep, but he's a damn good coach, and definitely a level above Allegri in terms of career thus far.

Still, Allegri > Pep last year.

i can agree with that. Apart from the "damn good coach". But his career is loaded yea

 

[duranfj]

Do you not understand that Ballon d'Or is for the "best" player of the year... And not the best player on the best team. Spain and Holland were dominant teams. They weren't led by a single dominant individual, they were collectives. It was the same with Bayern's treble, Ribery was their best player, but he was by no means the best player in football that year. Messi and Ronaldo have been the 2 best players in football each year for the last 8 years. Doesn't matter what their team's did. That's irrelevant. The award is for best player, regardless of team. Messi had 47 goals-13 assists in 53 games for Barca in 2010. No one else comes even close to deserving that award.

There's not point. 10 hattrick against Almería for you is more value than scoring in almost all world cup games and even in a semi final against guess who... Messi, btw messi didn't score not even one in WC... But against tenerife he really show up and thats what matter most... Yeah right

 

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There's not point. 10 hattrick against Almería for you is more value than scoring in almost all world cup games and even in a semi final against guess who... Messi, btw messi didn't score not even one in WC... But against tenerife he really show up and thats what matter most... Yeah right

You're being ridiculous.

Messi scored 6 Champion's League knockout goals that season also. Including a 4 goal game in the QFs. He also scored 7 goals in 6 games against the teams that finished 2,3,4 in La Liga. Madrid, Valencia, Sevilla.

I don't even like Messi, but what you're arguing is absurd.

That 2010 Argentina team was coached by Maradona who had no clue what he was doing, and created an atrocious defensive strategy. They didn't lose because of Messi, who by the way, assisted 2 goals, and participated in all 4 goals in the 4-1 win over South Korea, assisted the opening goal in knockouts against Mexico.

 

[napoleonic]

All the arguments about messi + cr7 vs the rest of the world have died long ago, the fact just can't be avoided; both of them flopped very hard and horribly every time they forces out from their ultra mega clubs

For a supposedly record breaking duo never seen before in the world according to their club stats, 1 euro final, 1 wc final and 2 coppa america finals are a laughable acomplishment for both of them

The real ballon d'or should actually be given to whoever made $$$€€€£££ for barca and real

 

[Vlad]

Allegri is curently the best coach in the world. Not even up for debate. Purely on last season's merits and if he turns around this season he'll only reafirm his position.

Yes we all realize that Guardiola is more sucessful manager, won impressive amount of titles. Having star studded teams in both Barca and Bayern certainly had its uses and one can question how good tactically he is. More than few times he got exposed/humiliated when faced quality opponent, led by managers more cunning and able to adapt to opposition.

And for the life of me I cant understand why would any Juventus fan be a staunch supporter of Guardiola, spend pages and pages of defending the guy, on Juventus forum. Cringeworthy. But each to his own I guess.

 

[Xperd]

You are the worst poster on this forum.Not even up for debate.

 

[icemaη]

Allegri is curently the best coach in the world. Not even up for debate. Purely on last season's merits and if he turns around this season he'll only reafirm his position.

Yes we all realize that Guardiola is more sucessful manager, won impressive amount of titles. Having star studded teams in both Barca and Bayern certainly had its uses and one can question how good tactically he is. More than few times he got exposed/humiliated when faced quality opponent, led by managers more cunning and able to adapt to opposition.

And for the life of me I cant understand why would any Juventus fan be a staunch supporter of Guardiola, spend pages and pages of defending the guy, on Juventus forum. Cringeworthy. But each to his own I guess.

 

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[Vlad]

As I've said, each to his own.

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You are the worst poster on this forum.Not even up for debate.

That means a lot to me.

 

[piotrr]

In your opinion, how good would Guardiola do with the team we have now?
I think he would flop hard. He's accustomed to a certain level, having the best players at his disposal all the time. His tactics would require too much from the players that are not ready. Playing tiki-taka with Sturaro and Chiellini. Something similar to Montella in Sampdoria, just check the goals they conceded against Milan.

I know i wouldn't change Max for Pep.*


*My hatred for Pep could be the reason.

 

[Fr3sh]

And last year's Barca is/was superior to Pep's Barca.

Talking about Barca, I'm honestly extremely impressed with their current trio.I honestly think they are heads and shoulders above the Henry-Eto'o-Messi trio, and those guys were no joke whatsoever.

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You are hugely diminishing Sneijders value for the team. It truely stood out when he played at Holland that year, as he kept up his important role. Ask anyone from holland how good sneijder was that year. They'll talk about him, no one else.


You said you remember well. You forgot that nearly the entire inter team was poor as fuck when benitez took over. Eto'o was world class, sneijder was still good. In fact, everyone here was absolutely taking the piss on inter about them giving him bs over his contract. Benitez played in a way that was very static, no long balls for sneijder to send to, but he was still good.

I'll admit, sneijder is kinda depending on the system. Unlike Pirlo, he'll be less effective when the team plays in a way that he cannot take those long cracking passes.


You started this argument by saying sneijder was just good one year. I agree. Nedved was only superior to zidane and the others for one year. Both deserved it.

Diego Millito was by far head and shoulders above everyone the most important player in that treble winning season. The man was clutch as fuck, take this in, this no name random argentinian was so clutch that he made Eto'o play as a LB.

 

[Vlad]

In your opinion, how good would Guardiola do with the team we have now?
I think he would flop hard. He's accustomed to a certain level, having the best players on his disposal all the time. His tactics would require too much from the players that are not ready. Playing tiki-taka with Sturaro and Chiellini. Something similar to Montella in Sampdoria, just check the goals they conceded against Milan.

I know i wouldn't change Max for Pep.*


*My hatred for Pep could be the reason.

Agreed with the rest btw

 

[Klovn]

You are the worst poster on this forum.Not even up for debate.

Now you are being silly, Zizinho is up there with him.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

I'm up there too

 

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