Massimiliano Allegri (242 Viewers)

[Hust]

You missed out the bit where they pay us €7m to loan him and us still having a player to use or sell (all profit).

They all missed it.


You couldn't paint it on the side of a barn and stand them next to the barn looking right at it and still have them see it.

 

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[Post Ironic]

Selling 19 yo is cementing our status as a 3rd tier club?

28m for ridiculously hyped youngster is more than a fair deal. If we considered him THAT talented we wouldnt let him leave, like Pogba.

Clearly Bayern saw him as very talented...

It's the same deal with Madrid. Except in Morata's case we let Madrid impose all the options. 20 mil purchase for what was basically a 2 year loan, and if Morata succeeds they get to buy him back for just 30-35 mil.

Conversely, in Coman's case, we go for loaning the player for two years, and if he succeeds Bayern get to buy him for just 28 mil. If he flops and Bayern don't play him, we're stuck with him. Yeah. Great deal for us.

And stop saying the kid isn't talented. Please show me all the 18 year olds that managed to play 600+ minutes for a CL finalist. He also scored a goal and provided 2 assists in those 600 minutes.

Stop being such an apologist and for once admit that this summer is fucking pathetic.

 

[JuveJay]

I'm not saying it is a great deal, because it really hinges on what the player does, but we aren't gifting him to them for free. He has to improve a lot to be worth €28m, but also that sort of money doesn't buy you an awful lot when it comes to young forward talents, not these days.

 

[Post Ironic]

I'm not saying it is a great deal, because it really hinges on what the player does, but we aren't gifting him to them for free. He has to improve a lot to be worth €28m, but also that sort of money doesn't buy you an awful lot when it comes to young forward talents, not these days.

And I'm not saying this deal is the end of the world, of course some hyperbole is engaged in when arguing with people trying to make this deal out to be some masterstroke. None of us know how this deal will look in the end. The best hope would be that he turns into a decent forward that Bayern doesn't think is quite good enough, so they send back here and we either help him develop even further and become a star for us, or we can sell him for 15-20 mil and end up with a tidy profit at the end of it.

However. A top club doesn't sell a very high level 19 year old attacking prospect, especially on a two year loan so the team purchasing has absolutely no risk if he flops. You keep him, allow him to continue developing (he was clearly going to get a decent amount of playing time this year and Allegri certainly thought highly of him), or loan him either with no option to buy/with a buyback. You don't sell your best young prospects in this fashion. It's just very poor.

 

[Vlad]

Clearly Bayern saw him as very talented...

It's the same deal with Madrid. Except in Morata's case we let Madrid impose all the options. 20 mil purchase for what was basically a 2 year loan, and if Morata succeeds they get to buy him back for just 30-35 mil.

Conversely, in Coman's case, we go for loaning the player for two years, and if he succeeds Bayern get to buy him for just 28 mil. If he flops and Bayern don't play him, we're stuck with him. Yeah. Great deal for us.

And stop saying the kid isn't talented. Please show me all the 18 year olds that managed to play 600+ minutes for a CL finalist. He also scored a goal and provided 2 assists in those 600 minutes.

Stop being such an apologist and for once admit that this summer is fucking pathetic.

He was given few minutes in the CL final, when it was obvious that we all but lost the game, but let's use that as an argument of his quality. We basically started throwing in all attackers we had.

Coman didn't prove anything so far that he is worth of that price tag. Currently his price is nowhere near 28m. He could become good player in the future, maybe WC one, or he could miserably flop. We made a decision assuming the latter. People should deal with it for the time being.

Mercato wasn't pathetic due to faling to sign AM, we made important acquistion in other areas. Still baffled that we didn't get any central midfielder, but I hope that will change soon. Bar Khedira ofc.

 

[Cheesio]

You missed out the bit where they pay us €7m to loan him and us still having a player to use or sell (all profit).

I prefer Coman as bench option than 7 mil tbh.

 

[JuveJay]

And I'm not saying this deal is the end of the world, of course some hyperbole is engaged in when arguing with people trying to make this deal out to be some masterstroke. None of us know how this deal will look in the end. The best hope would be that he turns into a decent forward that Bayern doesn't think is quite good enough, so they send back here and we either help him develop even further and become a star for us, or we can sell him for 15-20 mil and end up with a tidy profit at the end of it.

However. A top club doesn't sell a very high level 19 year old attacking prospect, especially on a two year loan so the team purchasing has absolutely no risk if he flops. You keep him, allow him to continue developing (he was clearly going to get a decent amount of playing time this year and Allegri certainly thought highly of him), or loan him either with no option to buy/with a buyback. You don't sell your best young prospects in this fashion. It's just very poor.

I agree, although as I discussed with CK, his request to leave and the potential fee makes the move more understandable from the club's POV. We seem to be really cut throat with players who don't seem 100% certain that they want to be here, that they have a future key role here, or that they can get better elsewhere. Twice now we have passed players on like a hot potato.

There is massive potential to lose out in this deal, but again, the club has to weigh it up, and ultimately if he goes we get €28m for a player who is talented but may or may not have become a success at Juventus. Bayern in recent years have played a more suitable formation/style for his attributes than we have.

 

[Post Ironic]

He was given few minutes in the CL final, when it was obvious that we all but lost the game, but let's use that as an argument of his quality. We basically started throwing in all attackers we had.

Coman didn't prove anything so far that he is worth of that price tag. Currently his price is nowhere near 28m. He could become good player in the future, maybe WC one, or he could miserably flop. We made a decision assuming the latter. People should deal with it for the time being.

Mercato wasn't pathetic due to faling to sign AM, we made important acquistion in other areas. Still baffled that we didn't get any central midfielder, but I hope that will change soon. Bar Khedira ofc.

What? I didn't say anything about the CL final. I said he managed to get 600 minutes of playing time as an 18 year old, for a team good enough to do a domestic double and reach a CL final. He managed to score 1 and assist 2 in those 600 minutes.

That is showing quite a bit for an 18 year old. As I said name all the 18 year olds that managed to feature that much for a CL finalist. The list is pretty damn slim. Hence why we wanted him so badly last year, and hence the reason Bayern wants him so badly this year.

You're being ridiculous. We don't get 28 million if he miserably flops. We get 5-7 mil. Bayern takes no risk at all here.

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I agree, although as I discussed with CK, his request to leave and the potential fee makes the move more understandable from the club's POV. We seem to be really cut throat with players who don't seem 100% certain that they want to be here, that they have a future key role here, or that they can get better elsewhere. Twice now we have passed players on like a hot potato.

There is massive potential to lose out in this deal, but again, the club has to weigh it up, and ultimately if he goes we get €28m for a player who is talented but may or may not have become a success at Juventus. Bayern in recent years have played a more suitable formation/style for his attributes than we have.

 

[Lion]

sell hot prospect and best cm to a club that is competing with you for cl

brilliant

 

[Zacheryah]

He wanted out. We get 7 mil for a loan in a team he'd play alot, and 21 mil if he significantly improves, wich is not certain at all, he'll return with plenty of gametime if he didnt and is just 20/21 if he does.


Whats the big deal. Player wants out ? Fuck off and go. Lets get some cash for him and boot him.

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sell hot prospect and best cm to a club that is competing with you for cl

brilliant

'best cm'

okay

 

[Vlad]

You're being ridiculous. We don't get 28 million if he miserably flops. We get 5-7 mil. Bayern takes no risk at all here.

There's ofc risk whenever money is involved, 7m whithin this FY they are bound to pay for our youngster, that only played mere 600 minutes. People would be losing their mind here if we had made such a deal. Bayern will probably take the option in the end, even if he doesn't entirely fulfil their expectations.

 

[zizinho]

sell hot prospect and best cm to a club that is competing with you for cl

brilliant

the club has Pep as coach so we might have gave them Tevez, Vidal, Pogba, Marchisio, Bonucci, Sandro, Dybala and Buffon all for free and they would still fail

 

[Zacheryah]

There's ofc risk whenever money is involved, 7m whithin this FY they are bound to pay for our youngster, that only played mere 600 minutes. People would be losing their mind here if we had made such a deal. Bayern will probably take the option in the end, even if he doesn't entirely fulfil their expectations.

He's the guy who went beserk over signing Cuadrado on 1.5mil loan and what 25 mil option


But signing a player on 7mil loan with 21mil option that didnt remotely done anything like cuadrado, is "not taking a rist"


rofl

 

[Post Ironic]

There's ofc risk whenever money is involved, 7m whithin this FY they are bound to pay for our youngster, that only played mere 600 minutes. People would be losing their mind here if we had made such a deal. Bayern will probably take the option in the end, even if he doesn't entirely fulfil their expectations.

@ Everyone

Seriously. 7 mil is a risk?

People wouldn't be losing their minds if we managed to pull one of Real or Barca's top 18/19 year old prospects here who had actually featured 600 minutes for the first team, not on a two year loan for only 7 mil with an option not obligation to buy at the end for only 21 mil. That's a scream of a deal for Bayern. They take 7 mil of risk. That's peanuts when it comes to young players with massive potential.

And you ignore my point again. Please tell me the 18 year olds that have featured as much as Coman did for CL finalists. I'm waiting.

 

[Vlad]

the club has Pep as coach so we might have gave them Tevez, Vidal, Pogba, Marchisio, Bonucci, Sandro, Dybala and Buffon all for free and they would still fail

Coman as RWB?

 

[zizinho]

so we get 5M for his 1st loan, that means even if Bayern sends him back to us after this season, we made 5M for a year loan and get a 20 yo player back
we get 2 M for the 2nd loan, so if they dont buy him after that loan we get a total of 7M for a 2 year loan and a 21 yo player back. we could still sell him after that to someone or keep him, which wont be bad even

if Bayern buys him we earned 28M total, 21M in 2017. Coman might become a great player for Bayern but that shouldnt concern us. we got 28M for a player that wanted out, and was 4th/5th striker in rotation for us.

 

[Post Ironic]

He's the guy who went beserk over signing Cuadrado on 1.5mil loan and what 25 mil option


But signing a player on 7mil loan with 21mil option that didnt remotely done anything like cuadrado, is "not taking a rist"


rofl

Quote or your lying and should be infracted. I said nothing bad about the Cuadrado loan. In fact, in the Cuadrado thread I said it was a very good transfer because it adds versatility to the squad.

You're the most ridiculous person on this forum. By far.

 

[zizinho]

Coman as RWB?

Pep probably saw the 2 assists he made last season to Morata and Pereyra and wants him as their vice Thiago. also, Vidal is their RWB.

 

[Zacheryah]

Quote or your lying and should be infracted. I said nothing bad about the Cuadrado loan. In fact, in the Cuadrado thread I said it was a very good transfer because it adds versatility to the squad.

You're the most ridiculous person on this forum. By far.

Oh now you get mad when someone would be lying about you ? Like what you do all the time about others ?

Pot and kettle.


But do post your quote on cuadrado, cause you were against the deal. "not the cam we needed", and we couldnt use him cause we wont play 352 right

 

[Lion]

so we get 5M for his 1st loan, that means even if Bayern sends him back to us after this season, we made 5M for a year loan and get a 20 yo player back
we get 2 M for the 2nd loan, so if they dont buy him after that loan we get a total of 7M for a 2 year loan and a 21 yo player back. we could still sell him after that to someone or keep him, which wont be bad even

if Bayern buys him we earned 28M total, 21M in 2017. Coman might become a great player for Bayern but that shouldnt concern us. we got 28M for a player that wanted out, and was 4th/5th striker in rotation for us.

we have money. those are direct words from marotta. so we dont need some chump change from bayern

are you saying marotta is lying? simple yes or no answer. no bull shit essay