Massimiliano Allegri (201 Viewers)

[JCK]

I love Allegri and all but his starting the season with a 352 and padoin as a regista was retarded.


Marotta will share the blame but it's up to Allegri to get the team clicking.

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Allegri has the responsibility to get the team clicking is what you said. Am I fabricating this? Allegri is supposed to make a random group to perform because what Marotta bought this summer is a rundom number of players. He is blamed for that but Allegri is supposed to make them work. So what is it I am fabricating again? Or is there a hidden meaning to saying "it's up to someone ..."?

 

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[.zero]

If he plays 3-5-2 against City, he deserves sacking on the spot.

What if we end up winning and it propels our team to run the table in all competitions for this season resulting in most importantly the CL title?

 

[Hust]

Allegri has the responsibility to get the team clicking is what you said. Am I fabricating this? Allegri is supposed to make a random group to perform because what Marotta bought this summer is a rundom number of players. He is blamed for that but Allegri is supposed to make them work. So what is it I am fabricating again? Or is there a hidden meaning to saying "it's up to someone ..."?

Getting the team clicking does not translate into 100% of the blame.

Yes, generally in most competitive soccer clubs it is the coaches responsibility to get the team working together as a team. I thought that much was at least understood on this forum.

You fascinate me, JCK. You read, quote, then go on to bold HALF the sentence in your argument to try and prove I blame everything on Allegri and nothing on Marotta when the same damn sentence you SELECTIVELY READ FROM shows I also blame Marotta.

 

[Fake Melo]

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Paratici

 

[GordoDeCentral]

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Paratici

id love to see him do that to conte

 

[Fake Melo]

RIP Paratici 1972-2014

 

[Post Ironic]

What if we end up winning and it propels our team to run the table in all competitions for this season resulting in most importantly the CL title?

Imagine that, winning a treble this year with a 3-5-2. Zach would find himself in glorious rapture. Others would still claim the formation sucks and should never see the light of day again.

 

[.zero]

Imagine that, winning a treble this year with a 3-5-2. Zach would find himself in glorious rapture. Others would still claim the formation sucks and should never see the light of day again.

The rapture

 

[Hust]

We have an average shots per game at 19.
-5% from inside the 6 yard box
-56% from inside the 18 yard box
-39% from outside the box
-Our crosses have a 6% effective rate
-85% pass completion rate
-56% possession

Defensively on shots:
-Average of 10 conceded per game
-1.3 blocked per game.

1 goal from the field of play, 1 from a PK. Our problems IMO are with the attack. The strikers need to start scoring or our midfielders that are taking the long shots better start producing again. Also we need to get our defense sown up quickly.

 

[Ocelot]

Allegri has the responsibility to get the team clicking is what you said. Am I fabricating this? Allegri is supposed to make a random group to perform because what Marotta bought this summer is a rundom number of players. He is blamed for that but Allegri is supposed to make them work. So what is it I am fabricating again? Or is there a hidden meaning to saying "it's up to someone ..."?

You would be right if Marotta had just bought some random guys from Ligue 2. But he hasn't, at least in my opinion, and I know that we hold very opposing views here. But the question that seperates your opionion from mine and presumable Hustini's is not whether it's Allegri's responsibility to" get the team clicking" or not, but simply how good the squad Marotta has provided Allegri with is. I say it's definitely worse than last year's for now, but still joint best in Serie A. And in that case, anything below position 3 at the end of the season is a failure by Allegri.

 

[electricRoo]

You would be right if Marotta had just bought some random guys from Ligue 2. But he hasn't, at least in my opinion, and I know that we hold very opposing views here. But the question that seperates your opionion from mine and presumable Hustini's is not whether it's Allegri's responsibility to" get the team clicking" or not, but simply how good the squad Marotta has provided Allegri with is. I say it's definitely worse than last year's for now, but still joint best in Serie A. And in that case, anything below position 3 at the end of the season is a failure by Allegri.

It doesn't matter if with some of the names on the squad it is tied as one of the best when an entire area of the team was dismantled. We had Pirlo, Pogba, Vidal, Marchisio and Pereyra as a sub last year. This year we have Padoin, Sturaro, the always injured duo Khedira and Asamoah, Marchisio (who's beginning to be injury prone) and Pogba. Difference in quality is enormous and Marotta didn't even see the issue until after two matches, when Lemina was brought in, who's a gamble.

How can you expect a coach to succeed when the sporting director makes such an awful job?

 

[Ocelot]

How can you expect a coach to succeed when the sporting director makes such an awful job?

But the thing is, Marotta has by far not done a job as awful as to provide Allegri with a squad that should under any circumstances below 3rd place. In my opinion, last year's squad had to win the league or it would've been a massive failure. This year's squad is weaker than that (partly due to ineviteable departures in the long run), and in my opinion is tied with Roma's and, arguably Inter's. Finishing 2nd or third with this squad wouldn't be perfect, but acceptable for Allegri, and the blame from going from champions to the 2nd or 2rd placed team would partly be on Marotta, partly on the simple necessities of a transition period. Finishing below third would largely be on Allegri (or injuries if they continue to be as bad, in which case it'd be difficult to determine the culprit).

You continue to elobarote on the same issue that JCK did, but that is not where our disagreements lie, and the discussion is therefore pointless to a large extent. It's not a question of who to blame in the hypothetical case of a squad being this or that good, but simply a question of how good our squad right now is.

 

[JCK]

Getting the team clicking does not translate into 100% of the blame.

Yes, generally in most competitive soccer clubs it is the coaches responsibility to get the team working together as a team. I thought that much was at least understood on this forum.

You fascinate me, JCK. You read, quote, then go on to bold HALF the sentence in your argument to try and prove I blame everything on Allegri and nothing on Marotta when the same damn sentence you SELECTIVELY READ FROM shows I also blame Marotta.

So explain it to me in simple English, where was Marotta at fault? I am dying to hear it.

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We have an average shots per game at 19.
-5% from inside the 6 yard box
-56% from inside the 18 yard box
-39% from outside the box
-Our crosses have a 6% effective rate
-85% pass completion rate
-56% possession

Defensively on shots:
-Average of 10 conceded per game
-1.3 blocked per game.

1 goal from the field of play, 1 from a PK. Our problems IMO are with the attack. The strikers need to start scoring or our midfielders that are taking the long shots better start producing again. Also we need to get our defense sown up quickly.

All this for me is down to inefficient players and I know who brought them here.

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You would be right if Marotta had just bought some random guys from Ligue 2. But he hasn't, at least in my opinion, and I know that we hold very opposing views here. But the question that seperates your opionion from mine and presumable Hustini's is not whether it's Allegri's responsibility to" get the team clicking" or not, but simply how good the squad Marotta has provided Allegri with is. I say it's definitely worse than last year's for now, but still joint best in Serie A. And in that case, anything below position 3 at the end of the season is a failure by Allegri.

That's because you rate those players that high. The way I see it is simple, you want to rate them high so that you would find a way to blame the failure on someone other than Marotta, it's really that simple.

 

[Ocelot]

So explain it to me in simple English, where was Marotta at fault? I am dying to hear it.

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All this for me is down to inefficient players and I know who brought them here.

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That's because you rate those players that high. The way I see it is simple, you want to rate them high so that you would find a way to blame the failure on someone other than Marotta, it's really that simple.

Sandro is among the top LBs in the world.
Dybala is one of the best attacking prospects in the world.
Cuadrado is a top class winger.

Add that to easily the best defense + GK of the league on paper, Marchisio & Pogba, Morata & Mandzukic and he's got no reason to finish below 3rd, other than a full-blown injury crisis (akin or worse than what we currently have) persisting over the entirity of the season maybe.

 

[Hust]

Incredible

 

[Ocelot]

Also, keep in mind that I didn't define failure as not winning teh scudetto, but not finishing top 3.

 

[Hust]

Sandro is among the top LBs in the world.
Dybala is one of the best attacking prospects in the world.
Cuadrado is a top class winger.

Add that to easily the best defense + GK of the league on paper, Marchisio & Pogba, Morata & Mandzukic and he's got no reason to finish below 3rd, other than a full-blown injury crisis (akin or worse than what we currently have) persisting over the entirity of the season maybe.

 

[electricRoo]

Sandro is among the top LBs in the world.
Dybala is one of the best attacking prospects in the world.
Cuadrado is a top class winger.

Add that to easily the best defense + GK of the league on paper, Marchisio & Pogba, Morata & Mandzukic and he's got no reason to finish below 3rd, other than a full-blown injury crisis (akin or worse than what we currently have) persisting over the entirity of the season maybe.

Look at that midfield. Doesn't matter if the forwards or defenders are world class, if that midfield and TQ positions are neglected you are left with disjointed pieces. Even a midfield of just Pogba and Marchisio is missing a WC enforcer like Vidal. Is Lemina the answer? Who knows, but letting Vidal leave when we didn't have a proper replacement was a mistake, not to mention the TQ.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Feel sorry for Allegri, he came in to a club with an amazing midfield and now with idiotic sales, injuries and crap buys we're left with a midfield that looks plain average.

 

[dolph]

Look at that midfield. Doesn't matter if the forwards or defenders are world class, if that midfield and TQ positions are neglected you are left with disjointed pieces. Even a midfield of just Pogba and Marchisio is missing a WC enforcer like Vidal. Is Lemina the answer? Who knows, but letting Vidal leave when we didn't have a proper replacement was a mistake, not to mention the TQ.

You guys make it sound like we have a below par midfield. Pogba and Marchisio are WC,Khedira, Asamoah and Pereyra is top class midfielders. Lemina and Sturaro are two young prospects that could potentialy be top class. We still have a top class midfield and by far the best in Italy.