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icemaη

Rab's Husband - The Regista
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Aug 27, 2008
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i have spent 10s of thousands on juve

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achievment also means little to me if the play is boring.

like i can't brag about juve winning on my resume, so why would i care if they win at all cost. i watch juve to be entertained. winning is definelty not all that matters despite what people think
Sport is a tribal thing, at least it used to be. You don't go to a stadium primarily for the entertainment on the pitch, you go to feel like you belong. So your team winning is really more important than some style points. Because winning is a bragging right, style is not.
 

Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
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England fans are now having the same debates as we did. “The football is shit” vs “he’s made England compete at the biggest stages” then England will extend Southgate and the bad football will start yielding humiliations
I have no problem with boring football for a national team playing like 5 games in a international competiton. Feel free to play as awful as you want as long as you get results during a span of 3 weeks. Your job as a coach is not to develop these players. But playing 50+ games a year in a brand of football that I would like to describe as being waterboarded ain't it.

I use to be one of those 'the only thing that matters is wins' but after Allegri I literally stopped watching football for the first time in my life. I'd rather experience a relagation battle than live through Allegri ball again.

The only job Allegri should be able to get is the Italian job. Any club director offering him a job again is a fuckin' dumbass who hates their fans and football.
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
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but imo national football doesn't matter if it's ugly. you have limited time to prep players not used to playing with each other.

the goal is to win. so you support your national team no matter what


club imo is different because we watch it as hobby and give time and money to the club. demanding better entertainment is acceptable for time and money we put in.
I read an interesting article recently that explained the development of club football and how it originally stemmed from a very local level of tribalism before it got globalized.

It started off as identifying with the clubs from your city/county/neighborhood and the bragging rights that come with that. Some clubs represented labour movements and unions, the club for the poor (like Boca Juniors) vs the rich, grass root local rivalries with economic, social and political dimensions to it.

Then as some clubs became dominant they started tapping into larger fan bases that do not relate to that context.

Clearest contrast you can see today is visible in local derbies where one club is today a giant with international fan bases and the other is a minnow. Juve vs Turino for example. Or the Manchester derby before City had money.

For international fans it’s an insignificant game but for locals it’s something else. I’ll try to find the article it was in Arabic but had interesting factoids about the grass root origins of many clubs.

Point is club football was even more tribalistic and more about bragging rights (rather than entertainment) compared to international football. It used to tap into very local pride
 

Robee

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Jun 21, 2011
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Somewhere Allegri is laughing his pants off and ripping his shirt open in front of the mirror in joy because this mercato shitshow all starts with how rotten the team actually was. Fact we can't sell anyone but our young talents and we can't spend a dime because of it.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
33,750
Somewhere Allegri is laughing his pants off and ripping his shirt open in front of the mirror in joy because this mercato shitshow all starts with how rotten the team actually was. Fact we can't sell anyone but our young talents and we can't spend a dime because of it.
ok but he played chiesa left wingback
 

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