Massimiliano Allegri (305 Viewers)

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RKid1

RKid1

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I already miss having Allegri here.

At least with him, there was really no hope or optimism and you just accepted it. It really taught you to suffer as a fan, which coincidentally is what he wanted his team to do for 90 minutes.

With Giuntoli and Motta, it gave some freshness, hope, optimism, and excitement. And here we are, less than a week away from the first season, and that feeling of hopelessness is already back.
 
Scottish

Scottish

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Hist said:
I read an interesting article recently that explained the development of club football and how it originally stemmed from a very local level of tribalism before it got globalized.

It started off as identifying with the clubs from your city/county/neighborhood and the bragging rights that come with that. Some clubs represented labour movements and unions, the club for the poor (like Boca Juniors) vs the rich, grass root local rivalries with economic, social and political dimensions to it.

Then as some clubs became dominant they started tapping into larger fan bases that do not relate to that context.

Clearest contrast you can see today is visible in local derbies where one club is today a giant with international fan bases and the other is a minnow. Juve vs Turino for example. Or the Manchester derby before City had money.

For international fans it’s an insignificant game but for locals it’s something else. I’ll try to find the article it was in Arabic but had interesting factoids about the grass root origins of many clubs.

Point is club football was even more tribalistic and more about bragging rights (rather than entertainment) compared to international football. It used to tap into very local pride
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I'm curious about this because I thought this was apparent to all football fans? Perhaps maybe in the USA it's different because the sport is based on franchises and the teams were given to cities when already fully-formed in order to inorganically found a league. Other countries that have tried to get a league going in countries which historically prefer other sports I guess are more like this: Australia, South Africa, India etc.

I don't know where you're from, but is this not how the clubs are in your country? All across Europe, South America and the Arab world this is just how club football is, no? I'm interested if this is less obvious in some parts of the world.
 
Rockets

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Hist said:
I read an interesting article recently that explained the development of club football and how it originally stemmed from a very local level of tribalism before it got globalized.

It started off as identifying with the clubs from your city/county/neighborhood and the bragging rights that come with that. Some clubs represented labour movements and unions, the club for the poor (like Boca Juniors) vs the rich, grass root local rivalries with economic, social and political dimensions to it.

Then as some clubs became dominant they started tapping into larger fan bases that do not relate to that context.

Clearest contrast you can see today is visible in local derbies where one club is today a giant with international fan bases and the other is a minnow. Juve vs Turino for example. Or the Manchester derby before City had money.

For international fans it’s an insignificant game but for locals it’s something else. I’ll try to find the article it was in Arabic but had interesting factoids about the grass root origins of many clubs.

Point is club football was even more tribalistic and more about bragging rights (rather than entertainment) compared to international football. It used to tap into very local pride
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I'd love to read the article if it's written in fuṣhā.
 
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