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Gigiventus

Senior Member
Mar 3, 2017
3,281
most teams defend as a unit, there's nothing extraordinary in that. the problem with allegriventus is that we can't keep the ball, and without the ball, we're pinned back easily.

besides a coach, we need proper midfielders
We have proper midfielders. De Zerbi, Juric, Italiano, Gasperini make their midfield play well, with more precise passing and initiative, with worse midfielders. With Locatelli, Fagioli and Rabiot, playing behind Di Maria there is no way to accept that we can't play better in possession. In fact we see it at times during games, usually soon after we concede, that the players play with purpose on the ball.

Keeping possession is also down to the coach. For example, Conte's teams generally don't give the ball away like we do at the moment, and he did it with Parolo, Eder, Giaccherini and De Rossi for the NT.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,770
We have proper midfielders. De Zerbi, Juric, Italiano, Gasperini make their midfield play well, with more precise passing and initiative, with worse midfielders. With Locatelli, Fagioli and Rabiot, playing behind Di Maria there is no way to accept that we can't play better in possession. In fact we see it at times during games, usually soon after we concede, that the players play with purpose on the ball.

Keeping possession is also down to the coach. For example, Conte's teams generally don't give the ball away like we do at the moment, and he did it with Parolo, Eder, Giaccherini and De Rossi for the NT.
i'd love to be wrong on that, but allegri's previous teams always had possession around 55-56%, last year we had 52%, this season it's 49%

if next season we'd have possession of around 55% (also sarri, pirlo team numbers) with locatelli, rovella, fagioli and frattesi, i'll be the first to congratulate de zerbi, tudor or whoever our coach will be
 

Gigiventus

Senior Member
Mar 3, 2017
3,281
i'd love to be wrong on that, but allegri's previous teams always had possession around 55-56%, last year we had 52%, this season it's 49%

if next season we'd have possession of around 55% (also sarri, pirlo team numbers) with locatelli, rovella, fagioli and frattesi, i'll be the first to congratulate de zerbi, tudor or whoever our coach will be
It's not just raw possession numbers. It's not to give the ball away so cheaply.

We can keep possession in a sterile way like it happened some times under Sarri, that's not being smart with the ball either. Or we can have that 49% possession but be purposeful with the ball and attack with it in a smart way, like with Allegri in the past, or with Mourinho and even Simeone.

Milan played against Napoli in CL with less possession as an example of this. Their midfielders and attackers had less of the ball but used it well.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,770
It's not just raw possession numbers. It's not to give the ball away so cheaply.
of course, numbers just indicate that we are much worse in possession then previously. if it's fully on the coach then everything is fine, once he's out we can start dominating matches again, nothing to worry about

still, i've been saying for years that we need to fix the squad, especially the midfield. i think that sarri had the last juve worthy midfield, in the last 3 years it's been nothing short of underwhelming

but again, if de zerbi or anybody else can make this midfield tick, then it's perfect: we can ignore the midfield during the next mercato, and concentrate on the other priorities. i'd be happy to find out that we have a dominant midfield where the players aren't redundant, versatile enough, strong enough, and effectively complete each other. i just don't see it happening
 
Jun 27, 2011
974
I went to the game against Sporting and realized how bad we actually are watching the game from the stands. It's so different from seeing it on the tele.

I don't fault Allegri as much after what I witnessed. Our team just isn't very good at playing football. That's the issue. We have players who have a really hard time controlling a simple pass. And we have even fewer players who are capable of passing the ball accurately. Locatelli was embarrassing to watch with the ball. I've seen elephants with better touch than Vlahovic. Chiesa is capable of wrecking havoc by running, but his touches are horrible.

There's only one player capable of playing quality football, with 1-2 touches, and that is Dí Maria. But since nobody else is capable of it, it usually stops there. He's meant to create everything by himself. And you guys want the team to become more attacking? I'm not sure you understand what that means. Unless you're fine conceding 2-3 goals every game.

I disagree that we need an attacking coach. I want them to be good defensively with quality up top. A team that hardly concedes, and with quality always manages to score. The problem is we don't have much of a quality playing the ball. We have a bit of quality going on the counter. But that's about it. Our quality lies in masculinity and strong defence.

It's actually remarkable that we're technically second. We can barely play football. And that's not all on Allegri.

Allegri sees what he has. And he has to make a team. These players aren't capable of holding onto the ball, or playing football. Yet you guys want him to play attacking football with one player capable of making an accurate pass? Give me a break.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,850
that's obvious and that's what the club did 3 times in the last 4 years, and the club thought every time that they made the right choice

we ignored the squad, look at us now
We have like 6 players that were even around during the Sarri era and half of them are almost retired.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,837
I went to the game against Sporting and realized how bad we actually are watching the game from the stands. It's so different from seeing it on the tele.

I don't fault Allegri as much after what I witnessed. Our team just isn't very good at playing football. That's the issue. We have players who have a really hard time controlling a simple pass. And we have even fewer players who are capable of passing the ball accurately. Locatelli was embarrassing to watch with the ball. I've seen elephants with better touch than Vlahovic. Chiesa is capable of wrecking havoc by running, but his touches are horrible.

There's only one player capable of playing quality football, with 1-2 touches, and that is Dí Maria. But since nobody else is capable of it, it usually stops there. He's meant to create everything by himself. And you guys want the team to become more attacking? I'm not sure you understand what that means. Unless you're fine conceding 2-3 goals every game.

I disagree that we need an attacking coach. I want them to be good defensively with quality up top. A team that hardly concedes, and with quality always manages to score. The problem is we don't have much of a quality playing the ball. We have a bit of quality going on the counter. But that's about it. Our quality lies in masculinity and strong defence.

It's actually remarkable that we're technically second. We can barely play football. And that's not all on Allegri.

Allegri sees what he has. And he has to make a team. These players aren't capable of holding onto the ball, or playing football. Yet you guys want him to play attacking football with one player capable of making an accurate pass? Give me a break.

Poor Allegri :cry:
 

CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,326
I went to the game against Sporting and realized how bad we actually are watching the game from the stands. It's so different from seeing it on the tele.

I don't fault Allegri as much after what I witnessed. Our team just isn't very good at playing football. That's the issue. We have players who have a really hard time controlling a simple pass. And we have even fewer players who are capable of passing the ball accurately. Locatelli was embarrassing to watch with the ball. I've seen elephants with better touch than Vlahovic. Chiesa is capable of wrecking havoc by running, but his touches are horrible.

There's only one player capable of playing quality football, with 1-2 touches, and that is Dí Maria. But since nobody else is capable of it, it usually stops there. He's meant to create everything by himself. And you guys want the team to become more attacking? I'm not sure you understand what that means. Unless you're fine conceding 2-3 goals every game.

I disagree that we need an attacking coach. I want them to be good defensively with quality up top. A team that hardly concedes, and with quality always manages to score. The problem is we don't have much of a quality playing the ball. We have a bit of quality going on the counter. But that's about it. Our quality lies in masculinity and strong defence.

It's actually remarkable that we're technically second. We can barely play football. And that's not all on Allegri.

Allegri sees what he has. And he has to make a team. These players aren't capable of holding onto the ball, or playing football. Yet you guys want him to play attacking football with one player capable of making an accurate pass? Give me a break.
Exactly! It’s the players that can’t adapt to our jihadplay. Their fault.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,770
We have like 6 players that were even around during the Sarri era and half of them are almost retired.
buying random players =/= caring

out of those who we signed in the last 3 years di maria and chiesa have the quality to start for juve 2012-19. bremer isn't a downgrade on de ligt, and vlahovic certainly looked like a more consistent player, i can't blame the club for that purchase, the responsibility for his performances is on allegri and dusan himself. rabiot finally has a good season after performing from shit to meh for 3 seasons. most of the others are squad player quality for juve '12-19, and could have signed for roma, inda or tottenham. we won the race to sign locatelli and we signed gatti to piss off cairo, oh wow. and i have nothing against loca or gatti, they perform closer to their potential than many others

anyway, if you think that we're doing fine on the market and our recruitment is juve quality, it's all right. i don't.
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
69,004
Why do our midfielders look so shit when they recover the ball in our 6 yard box? We have to find midfielders that can sprint it out 99 meters on their own.
99 meter sprints? That sort of blitzkrieg counter attack is far too advanced for Dinoallegri

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As of now, there's no chance Roberto De Zerbi joins Juventus. He wants to stay in the Premier League and juve management are still backing Allegri.

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Good watch de zerbi choke at Juve, whilst Zidane is literally waiting for us to call him
 

singus

Senior Member
Sep 22, 2020
2,073
of course, numbers just indicate that we are much worse in possession then previously. if it's fully on the coach then everything is fine, once he's out we can start dominating matches again, nothing to worry about

still, i've been saying for years that we need to fix the squad, especially the midfield. i think that sarri had the last juve worthy midfield, in the last 3 years it's been nothing short of underwhelming

but again, if de zerbi or anybody else can make this midfield tick, then it's perfect: we can ignore the midfield during the next mercato, and concentrate on the other priorities. i'd be happy to find out that we have a dominant midfield where the players aren't redundant, versatile enough, strong enough, and effectively complete each other. i just don't see it happening
lol look at this throater still trying :lol2: :lol2:
 

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