Massimiliano Allegri (186 Viewers)

[Hist]

The team was on a decline in 2018 already. 2017 felt like the peak of that generation. Buffon wasnt getting younger, Bonucci was sold (good move, but we undone it), Chiellini was still great but old. Benatia was a good starter but not great. Dani Alves left without replacement (plus Licht left a year after). Alex Sandro started to decline and we didnt sign a alternative. Asamoah left for free, who was used a lot that year. Khedira was on his last legs, and we should have sold in 2017 when he had some value. We got Higuain who was a stop gap, etc. Simply put, the moves that lead to Ronaldo were not good. Not in terms of individual quality at the time they happened maybe, but in terms of long term investment and team building. Of the guys that were there when Ronaldo arrived, whos here now? Szczesny, AS, Cuadrado, Dybala, Berna, Chiellini, Rugani, De Sciglio, who else? And what are the positions we got better in? Even those names, 3-4 should leave this summer atleast. Some of the good things we did we also undone, like Cancelo, Romero/Demiral. As for Rabiot who you mention, i can even get behind that move, on normal wages and with a role as 3rd-4th mid, behind 2 guys who will do the carrying (we dont have those). Some of the other moves look good out of context and looked individually as well

The idea was maybe good, but the execution was poor, so it failed

I agree with you in the general reading, I am curious what do you think would have happened if instead of Sarri & Pirlo we had hired a top coach? I see the coaching decisions as a huge factor not just the transfers and covid.

 

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[zizinho]

I agree with you in the general reading, I am curious what do you think would have happened if instead of Sarri & Pirlo we had hired a top coach? I see the coaching decisions as a huge factor not just the transfers and covid.

I see the coach as important, but 2ndary to what we did with the players. Guardiola was the hot name in 2019. Say if he arrived and the moves we make remain the same, I don't think we do much more than we did. Maybe last year we finish 2nd, that's about the difference, and probably win more points the year prior. Also I think we beat atleast one of Porto/Lyon, but I don't think we win the whole thing. But there is no way he accepts the job with these transfers. You think he'd sign up to losing Cancelo and Spinazzola? I think he'd only come with power in the decision making, to prevent stuff like that. Maybe he says don't spend so much on De Ligt, because Romero and Demiral will do. Maybe the De Ligt money goes for Barella and Tonali instead. People say he spends a lot, but it's most of the times on young players that he works with for multiple years, instead of 29 yo prime stars. So a lot could be different if Guardiola came back then, I think the team looks younger, hungrier and more talented than current one. But if instead of Guardiola you have Zidane, he might be fine with a different transfer policy so again our team looks different and better at the moment, but the results don't improve much.

Basically, I think we started our rebuild late, so any coach coming in in 2019 would either ride the wave we were on, which leads you to this current Juve, or they would start a process which would take a few years, but would show better results now

 

[s4tch]

Yes.

i missed this gem

anything to fit your agenda

 

[Strickland]

i missed this gem

anything to fit your agenda

Did Lyon beating Manchester City make you feel any better about our failure?

 

[Xperd]

Entertaining last few pages

Thanks for the entertainment Rus

 

[s4tch]

Did Lyon beating Manchester City make you feel any better about our failure?

what do my feelings have to do with it?

is villarreal a shit team?

 

[Strickland]

what do my feelings have to do with it?

is villarreal a shit team?

Dump number 1 and dump number 2 I pushed out this morning are a shit team. imo almost all the teams in top5 leagues are nowhere near shit teams (with a couple of exceptions every few years) and obviously none in the CL knockouts are shit teams. However, we shouldve beat Villareal, theyre a level or two below us.

Im just pointing out that Villareal doing well against Bayern doesnt do much to offset out failure just like Lyon beating City in 2020 didnt make me suddenly feel like we lost to a superior team.

 

[Post Ironic]

Dump number 1 and dump number 2 I pushed out this morning are a shit team. imo almost all the teams in top5 leagues are nowhere near shit teams (with a couple of exceptions every few years) and obviously none in the CL knockouts are shit teams. However, we shouldve beat Villareal, theyre a level or two below us.

Im just pointing out that Villareal doing well against Bayern doesnt do much to offset out failure just like Lyon beating City in 2020 didnt make me suddenly feel like we lost to a superior team.

Definitely agree with this. Though I would say our team right now is significantly weaker than our team that lost to Lyon.

Anyways, both were shit losses. Super shitty. Hopefully we can have a decent summer to fix some of the gaping holes in the squad and get back to being a team that doesn’t lose to “scrubs” like Lyon, Porto, Villareal.

 

[s4tch]

...imo almost all the teams in top5 leagues are nowhere near shit teams (with a couple of exceptions every few years) and obviously none in the CL knockouts are shit teams. ...

thank you. let's hope maxi and the likes agree.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Entertaining last few pages

Thanks for the entertainment Rus

The Allegri love or hate parade is getting boring tbh

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Your daily reminder that we back in time to mesozoic era dinosaurball with appointment of allegri.

The Allegri love or hate parade is getting boring tbh

 

[maxi]

thank you. let's hope maxi and the likes agree.

They are an inferior team, we are talking about a club that currently sits 7th in La Liga. I agree with what Strickland said. Them beating Bayern by one goal doesn't offset or excuse our own failings, and it certainly doesn't relieve Allegri of any responsibility for getting thrashed by 3 goals on our own grounds and handing us perhaps our most embarrassing European defeat in recent memory.

Now instead of using semantics like what I meant by "shit team" to deflect from the main argument here, why don't you address the rest of Stickland's post? In 2019 you rightly slated Sarri for getting eliminated by 7th place Lyon, and I imagine you would agree that them beating City didn't make our defeat to them any less embarrassing. Now will you give Allegri that same treatment or will you resort to some mental gymnastics to defend him? You haven't answered that yet.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

They are an inferior team, we are talking about a club that currently sits 7th in La Liga. I agree with what Strickland said. Them beating Bayern by one goal doesn't offset or excuse our own failings, and it certainly doesn't relieve Allegri of any responsibility for getting thrashed by 3 goals on our own grounds and handing us perhaps our most embarrassing European defeat in recent memory.

Now instead of using semantics like what I meant by "shit team" to deflect from the main argument here, why don't you address the rest of Stickland's post? In 2019 you rightly slated Sarri for getting eliminated by 7th place Lyon, and I imagine you would agree that them beating City didn't make our defeat to them any less embarrassing. Now will you give Allegri that same treatment or will you resort to some mental gymnastics to defend him? You haven't answered that yet.

When Sarri lose to Lyon by away goals rules its an embarrassment, when Allegri lose 0-3 at home to Villarreal it's a transition year, don't confuse these two events

 

[s4tch]

They are an inferior team, we are talking about a club that currently sits 7th in La Liga. I agree with what Strickland said. Them beating Bayern by one goal doesn't offset or excuse our own failings, and it certainly doesn't relieve Allegri of any responsibility for getting thrashed by 3 goals on our own grounds and handing us perhaps our most embarrassing European defeat in recent memory.

Now instead of using semantics like what I meant by "shit team" to deflect from the main argument here, why don't you address the rest of Stickland's post? In 2019 you rightly slated Sarri for getting eliminated by 7th place Lyon, and I imagine you would agree that them beating City didn't make our defeat to them any less embarrassing. Now will you give Allegri that same treatment or will you resort to some mental gymnastics to defend him? You haven't answered that yet.

just an other proof that you (and your new best buddy rus) don't even read posts before talking shit: https://www.juventuz.com/threads/massimiliano-allegri.40977/page-3045#post-6497422

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

just an other proof that you (and your new best buddy rus) don't even read posts before talking shit: https://www.juventuz.com/threads/massimiliano-allegri.40977/page-3045#post-6497422

see, FIX THE SQUAD. it's always the players but never Allegri.

 

[s4tch]

see, FIX THE SQUAD. it's always the players but never Allegri.

"mental preparation is obviously part of the coach's job, so the defeat is on allegri too."

"just an other proof that you (and your new best buddy rus) don't even read posts before talking shit" - thanks for proving my point with an other instinctive, lightning fast but utterly idiotic answer.

so how old are you again? did your mom prepare some food for his little boy?

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

"mental preparation is obviously part of the coach's job, so the defeat is on allegri too."

"just an other proof that you (and your new best buddy rus) don't even read posts before talking shit" - thanks for proving my point with an other instinctive, lightning fast but utterly idiotic answer.

so how old are you again? did your mom prepare some food for his little boy?

my mantra has been the same for 2 years: fix the squad.
this was your conclusion under that post.

 

[s4tch]

bs

your age again? how was lunch at mom hotel?

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

They've bought him Vlahovic to change the things around but he has failed to do it. Why? because he have no idea about how to build an attacking minded squad. Now you are asking for patience and wait for ANOTHER rebuild of the squad, can you guarantee us the results? Just how? I don't understand. He can't give anything new to this squad, it will be the same bullshit dinosaurball.

 

[maxi]

just an other proof that you (and your new best buddy rus) don't even read posts before talking shit: https://www.juventuz.com/threads/massimiliano-allegri.40977/page-3045#post-6497422

So again, the coach is only "partly to blame". Whereas your conclusion on the other hand quite clearly indicated that the fault lies with the players. This is a markedly different kind of rhetoric to the one found after the Lyon match:
"but as the coach is responsible for the squad's mental, physical and tactical preparation, it's inevitable to blame sarri above all for this shit. no grinta, no determination, no clear attacking gameplan, no cohesion, no team spirit, just a bunch of overpaid mercenaries with zero ties to the club."

And yet you still have the audacity to try and claim that you don't give Allegri preferential treatment. Between you and PI I don't know who's worse when it comes to hypocrisy. If someone like me or RUS said this about ALlegri after the Villareal match, you would have slated us both.