Massimiliano Allegri (253 Viewers)

[Hist]

So sad to read it, but this is totally true

Fast build up play, high defense, direct football.... lmao
We don't press except for some single players, who do it occasionally. Too many times i remember last year ronaldo pressing, while everyone else just didn't join - makes no sense. And it's not that our players are not physical enough, they're just lazy fucks. Even Rangnick said something about pressing, either you do it or you don't. Commit!
We can't counterattack. Only Chiesa is good at this. Everyone else is like...


But these are all things that can be fixed by a good coach. Even within a few weeks. I don't get that "let allegri rebuild, just give him some years", hell no!

I was highlighting what I think his style of football is NOT. Not what it is.

My best articulation of what it is that its pragmatism. At its core is slow tempo build up from the middle and a defense that's typically somewhat deep, and he flexes that by going deeper against opposition that are good with possession and employ a high press, and moved them up a little against opposition that are not as good at possession or at pressing.

I think that flexibility and being able to play a little bit of both is what he aims for. There is no one style, its the ability to flex between a defensive and slightly offensive style but for that to work you need a very strong defensive base and someone upfront that can create out of nothing. We have neither those things in this squad ofc. Dybala isnt producing the magic anymore and Morata is heavily reliant on service. Only Chiesa and Cuadrado occasionally do these penetrating runs that cause chaos. At Milan he had Ibra doing the creative work upfront backed up by a strong defensive base.

Recall that even with Pirlo, Marchiso, Vidal and Pogba he didn't play to dominate possession except against smaller teams that sat back against us.

 

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[Buck Fuddy]

Imagine going to Serie B for fucking Arthur

That would make perfect sense, imo. He's a Serie-B level player after all.

 

[Dostoevsky]

That would make perfect sense, imo. He's a Serie-B level player after all.

As is our whole staff and huge chunk of players.

 

[juve123]

Allegri:The team played a good game against Atalanta, we must continue to work with serenity in order to do something more.”

 

[duranfj]

My level of trust in Max is as high as first day

We came from a team that has the record of consecutive games conceiving goals, we lost CR7, our mediocres players have found a way to be even worst and the others, the normal ones, a lot of them are underperforming badly

We have to rebuild the team and Max is by far oir best shot right now.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Allegri:The team played a good game against Atalanta, we must continue to work with serenity in order to do something more.”

what an asshole.

 

[ALC]

Allegri:The team played a good game against Atalanta, we must continue to work with serenity in order to do something more.”

SERENITY NOW!

 

[Juventinoo]

guys who are complaining at the moment ....you need to give up ...Allegri will not leave ....his contract is long already

neither the market have coach can fix this mess ....(Zidan wont ..new to Serie A..demanding ..salary ...)

nor the management ready to have another coach termination ...or even handle a high salary hire

no options better than Allegri ...

I would say ....consider it year ZERO ....accept the team have a lot of problems ...including the coach trying - still to find a solution that he is without doubt a great coach ...

January market is soon to open ....they should do some fix signings ...

patience is needed ...it is dreadful ...ugly ...frustrating...a low point ...i know

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Sorry. Typo. It’s supposed to say “I don’t think Allegri has figured out how to get the most out of this team.” And he has to take some responsibility for players poor form, as do those players. He has a lot of work to do. Tactically and motivationally,

We have been in a steep decline year after year for 3 years and haven’t close to adequately replaced quite a few players who aged out and were no longer Juve level. Even so, I expect to see this team have a pulse down the stretch run of this season. As I linked above, the favourite stat from those bashing Max in years past, xGoals, has us creating what should be the 4th most goals, and also has us in 4th place in xPoints. I expect Max to get some of the finishing and attacking issues sorted out and for this team to get up there to mirror that in reality. 4th place is needed for the season not to be a disaster. I don’t think this team is close to the best squad in the league on paper, too many inconsistent players who have never shown more than flash in the pan top form. But top 4 should certainly be achievable.

Too long didn’t read lol

STREET

 

[s4tch]

What does an Allegri team look like? What is his football philosophy or what are its key feature? To measure progress in playing style, we need an ideal to be the reference point. I have watched his teams for years now and I am still not sure.

I know what it is not but I don't know what it is. I know it's not:
1- High press
2- Fast build up play
3- Possession-based
4- Counter Attacking
5- High defence
6- Direct football?


Deep defence, slow tempo build up from the middle if we can hold possession, shots from the edge of the box? How would you describe an Allegri team?

dude, you either don't remember a thing from those 5 years allegri spent here or you simply don't understand football at all. there are objective metrics like possession that you could have looked up before posting this.

high defense and high press aren't allegri. everything else, especially counters and possession characterized his juve teams over the years.

 

[singus]

dude, you either don't remember a thing from those 5 years allegri spent here or you simply don't understand football at all. there are objective metrics like possession that you could have looked up before posting this.

high defense and high press aren't allegri. everything else, especially counters and possession characterized his juve teams over the years.

dude, you either don't remember a thing from those 5 years allegri spent here or you simply don't understand football at all. there are objective metrics like possession that you could have looked up before posting this.

 

[Stevie]

Allegri:The team played a good game against Atalanta, we must continue to work with serenity in order to do something more.”

This bullshit and praising Morata pisses me off. Wish he would be more ruthless. We have a team of pampered babies.

Hate to say it but Conte is the best manager for a rebuild.

I know Allegri is no pushover and criticising players is the press can be harmful I'm sure he is more ruthless with them too their faces but this kind of shit pisses off the fans it's like a slap in the face.

 

[s4tch]

dude, you either don't remember a thing from those 5 years allegri spent here or you simply don't understand football at all. there are objective metrics like possession that you could have looked up before posting this.

sarri, a possession obsessed coach had 56% of possession with juve. allegri in '17/18: 56%. other years: 54-55%, and allegri's juve never was worse than 4th in possession in the league. conte, an other coach heavily relying on possession: 58% in his first year, then 55% and 54%.

so, your point is what exactly?

 

[Bjerknes]

My level of trust in Max is as high as first day

We came from a team that has the record of consecutive games conceiving goals, we lost CR7, our mediocres players have found a way to be even worst and the others, the normal ones, a lot of them are underperforming badly

We have to rebuild the team and Max is by far oir best shot right now.

I don't know why people think Allegri is THE best shot at rebuilding the team when we can clearly see his tactics are mostly regressive. We clearly are not working on any meaningful tactics going forward since we can barely string together passes in the final third. Plus it's his job to get the best out of his players, which I thought was one of the reasons we brought him back in the first place.

But I agree in that we're stuck with him now. We could probably finish 10th and he'd still be given another chance next year. Perhaps things will turn around, honestly it can't get much worse right now, but to say he's the only shot we have at getting back on track is simply not true. There are countless examples of outside managers stepping into new sides and making unbiased changes to elevate the team. I don't see any new ideas coming our way here.

 

[Jäger]

Why is he so arrogant in his interviews? Everything he says is the opposite of reality. He tries too hard to coddle the team (and himself) from criticism and flat out refuses to change the formation despite it consistently failing every game. He'll happily continue getting poor results if it meant him not getting proven wrong

 

[duranfj]

I don't know why people think Allegri is THE best shot at rebuilding the team when we can clearly see his tactics are mostly regressive. We clearly are not working on any meaningful tactics going forward since we can barely string together passes in the final third. Plus it's his job to get the best out of his players, which I thought was one of the reasons we brought him back in the first place.

But I agree in that we're stuck with him now. We could probably finish 10th and he'd still be given another chance next year. Perhaps things will turn around, honestly it can't get much worse right now, but to say he's the only shot we have at getting back on track is simply not true. There are countless examples of outside managers stepping into new sides and making unbiased changes to elevate the team. I don't see any new ideas coming our way here.

Obvisously is just my opinion but for me he's the best italian coach right now. He's proved he can build strong teams using different formations and tactics what allows him to be succesful national and international. This last is why I'd rather him over Conte to rebuild a team because we know Antonio will build a strong and solid team but his dogmatism limit his teams in Europe

Our team is worse than last year and we lost several points in the road for individual mistakes (for instance, Woj cost us 5 points); however I believe we can still find a way to fight for UCL spot. Give Max a better team next summer and he'll deliver again, you'll see

 

[Hist]

sarri, a possession obsessed coach had 56% of possession with juve. allegri in '17/18: 56%. other years: 54-55%, and allegri's juve never was worse than 4th in possession in the league. conte, an other coach heavily relying on possession: 58% in his first year, then 55% and 54%.

so, your point is what exactly?

Sarri failed to impose his style at Juve. 4th best possession in Serie A is not the hall mark of a possession based team, especially that we never really play to dominate position against big teams (unless we are trying to make a come back from a 1st leg horror show). Allegri's system is pragmatism. No one style of play but the ability to flex between styles, which currently means we cant do either styles well

 

[Orgut]

Sarri failed to impose his style at Juve. 4th best possession in Serie A is not the hall mark of a possession based team, especially that we never really play to dominate position against big teams (unless we are trying to make a come back from a 1st leg horror show). Allegri's system is pragmatism. No one style of play but the ability to flex between styles, which currently means we cant do either styles well

Yap, it feels like the team are confused about what to do

 

[LiquidPLP]

Is there a scenario in which his work is considered not enough and gets a sack?

I thought the minimum plan was top4 so that we maintain the capability to rebuild. If we're out of CL, it's borderline tragic for the club, there won't be another recapitalization.

I can't believe how badly this team has regressed. Last year we were clueless at the back but at least e could score a bunch of goals. This year everyone has regressed even further.

I have little hope for January purchases/sales and that means we have to finish the season with what we have

 

[s4tch]

Is there a scenario in which his work is considered not enough and gets a sack?

no top4 is being rumored

rabiot is gonna explode under the new coach