Massimiliano Allegri (699 Viewers)

[Nedved96]

They had less depth in defense, and less depth in attack, but they left both cup competitions early and focused on the scudetto only. We on the other hand stayed in CL until april and Coppa until May, yet despite our only WC CB missing 1/3 of the season, our only WC fullback turning into Kevin Constant, zero midfield depth, we managed to get 95 pts. Hats off to Napoli for staying in the race until the end, but we beat them fair and square, not by having the "far superior squad"

Allegri was absolutely carried by Dybala in 2017/18

If it wasn’t for Dybala’s many moments of individual brilliance, Napoli would have definitely won the scudetto, and Allegri would have been sacked one year sooner.

Dybala scored so many goals out of nothing last season in games where we played poorly.

Napoli created more and better quality chances than we did in 2017/18.

https://understat.com/league/Serie_A/2017

 

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[zizinho]

Allegri was absolutely carried by Dybala in 2017/18

If it wasn’t for Dybala’s many moments of individual brilliance, Napoli would have definitely won the scudetto, and Allegri would have been sacked one year sooner.

Dybala scored so many goals out of nothing last season in games where we played poorly.

Napoli created more and better quality chances than we did in 2017/18.

https://understat.com/league/Serie_A/2017

Thats your answer Neddy? Besides all of it being irrelevant, my argument still stands

 

[Nedved96]

Thats your answer Neddy? Besides all of it being irrelevant, my argument still stands

We had better players than Napoli obviously.

Our forwards were better
Our defenders are better
They had a better midfield
We had a much better depth

 

[zizinho]

We had better players than Napoli obviously.

Our forwards were better
Our defenders are better
They had a better midfield
We had a much better depth

See post on previous page. Its not black and white

 

[Nedved96]

See post on previous page. Its not black and white

It is

Buffon > Reina
Sandro > Rui
Chiellini > Albiol
Benatia < Koulibaly
Lichtsteiner < Hysaj

Our defence was better

 

[zizinho]

It is

Buffon > Reina
Sandro > Rui
Chiellini > Albiol
Benatia < Koulibaly
Lichtsteiner < Hysaj

Our defence was better

Love how you avoided comparing Chiellini to Koulibaly. Also love how you avoided the fact that KK and Hysaj started in 35 games each, Albiol in 30. The only non constant being Rui starting 25 games, because Ghoulam went down after 11. Meanwhile, we had Rugani start 22 and Chiellini 25, Benatia next best at 19. Licht 21 and AS 23, alternatives being? Yeah either past it, injured or mediocre. So how many games exactly did we have our best defensive lineup out there, which is questionable if its better than Napolis to begin with? Midfield situation was even worse. The only thing that makes you people say we were far better is the attack, which is true, but that didnt win us the scudetto. It was Allegris brilliance to deal with the many shortcomings of this squad, while keeping us in 3 competitions until half of April

 

[Nedved96]

The only thing that makes you people say we were far better is the attack, which is true, but that didnt win us the scudetto.

Of course it did. Dybala scored like 15 brilliant goals last season. He carried us to the scudetto, not Max.

Love how you avoided comparing Chiellini to Koulibaly. Also love how you avoided the fact that KK and Hysaj started in 35 games each, Albiol in 30. The only non constant being Rui starting 25 games, because Ghoulam went down after 11. Meanwhile, we had Rugani start 22 and Chiellini 25, Benatia next best at 19. Licht 21 and AS 23, alternatives being? Yeah either past it, injured or mediocre. So how many games exactly did we have our best defensive lineup out there, which is questionable if its better than Napolis to begin with?

Or another way of looking at it is that our superior depth allowed us to rotate much more than Napoli, which kept our players fresh towards the end of the season.

 

[zizinho]

Of course it did. Dybala scored like 15 brilliant goals last season. He carried us to the scudetto, not Max.


Or another way of looking at it is that our superior depth allowed us to rotate much more than Napoli, which kept our players fresh towards the end of the season.

Again, refer to previous post. We only have depth in attack. Midfield we had almost zero depth and in defense its all mediocre/past it/injured guys. You cant actually tell us with a straight face that anyone in our defense other than Chiellini who missed 1/3 of the games and AS who had a De Ceglie esque year (and also missed 1/3 of our games) were WC? Benatia came close, rest was semi retired/injured/mediocre

 

[Post Ironic]

Of course it did. Dybala scored like 15 brilliant goals last season. He carried us to the scudetto, not Max.


Or another way of looking at it is that our superior depth allowed us to rotate much more than Napoli, which kept our players fresh towards the end of the season.

You are so damn annoying. Allegri is gone. Can you finally shut up with this nonsense. Dybala didn't carry us to the scudetto. We won it as a team. Lol. Wat fucking rubbish you spew. Yeah. Chiellini, Pjanic, Higuain, Mandzu, Costa, etc etc had nothing to do with out scudetto. Jesus. Give it a rest.

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Allegri was absolutely carried by Dybala in 2017/18

If it wasn’t for Dybala’s many moments of individual brilliance, Napoli would have definitely won the scudetto, and Allegri would have been sacked one year sooner.

Dybala scored so many goals out of nothing last season in games where we played poorly.

Napoli created more and better quality chances than we did in 2017/18.

https://understat.com/league/Serie_A/2017

And more verbal diarrhea

 

[Nedved96]

Again, refer to previous post. We only have depth in attack.

That is the most important kind of depth, since subbing on attackers can turn draws into wins (let's not forget how many times Costa saved us).

in defense its all mediocre/past it/injured guys.

Then Napoli's entire defence apart from Koulibaly must suck.

Dybala didn't carry us to the scudetto. We won it as a team. Lol.

Of course we won as a team.

Dybala was the most important piece of the puzzle though, not Allegri.

 

[Post Ironic]

That is the most important kind of depth, since subbing on attackers can turn draws into wins (let's not forget how many times Costa saved us).


Then Napoli's entire defence apart from Koulibaly must suck.


Of course we won as a team.

Dybala was the most important piece of the puzzle though, not Allegri

And more mental illness.

I'm sure Dybala's Xgoals were higher than 1 in CL last year. Especially considering he took 33 attempts on goal.

Considering we lost 4-3 on a last second penalty to Madrid, the eventual winners, playing them closer than anyone else in the knockouts last year. According to your logic I am going to blame Dybala's 1 goal from 33 shots taken, and his red card against Madrid which allowed them to score that 3rd goal in the first leg, 100% for us not winning CL last year. If Dybala showed up in CL last year = guaranteed title.

So Dybala won us Scudetto and singlehandedly lost us CL.

 

[zizinho]

That is the most important kind of depth, since subbing on attackers can turn draws into wins (let's not forget how many times Costa saved us).


Then Napoli's entire defence apart from Koulibaly must suck.


Of course we won as a team.

Dybala was the most important piece of the puzzle though, not Allegri.

Ah right, the most important depth

Koulibaly and Hysaj for them. But the difference is, they both started 35 times, Chiello and AS 25 and 23, thats a significant difference which youre too stubborn to admit.

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And more mental illness.

I'm sure Dybala's Xgoals were higher than 1 in CL last year. Especially considering he took 33 attempts on goal.

Considering we lost 4-3 on a last second penalty to Madrid, the eventual winners, playing them closer than anyone else in the knockouts last year. According to your logic I am going to blame Dybala's 1 goal from 33 shots taken, and his red card against Madrid which allowed them to score that 3rd goal in the first leg, 100% for us not winning CL last year. If Dybala showed up in CL last year = guaranteed title.

So Dybala won us Scudetto and singlehandedly lost us CL.

Do you know what Dybalas xGoals/xQualityChances/xIndividualBrilliance rate is? If not, youre not fit for this argument

 

[Nedved96]

Chiello and AS 25 and 23, thats a significant difference which youre too stubborn to admit.

Sandro was basically not at all injured in 2017/18, all the games he missed was because Allegri rotated him with Asamoah. That's what you call depth, something Napoli didn't have.

Ah right, the most important depth

Of course it is.

Attackers can change the game when they are subbed on. Napoli didn't have anyone like Costa on the bench.

 

[Nedved96]

And more mental illness.

I'm sure Dybala's Xgoals were higher than 1 in CL last year. Especially considering he took 33 attempts on goal.

Considering we lost 4-3 on a last second penalty to Madrid, the eventual winners, playing them closer than anyone else in the knockouts last year. According to your logic I am going to blame Dybala's 1 goal from 33 shots taken, and his red card against Madrid which allowed them to score that 3rd goal in the first leg, 100% for us not winning CL last year. If Dybala showed up in CL last year = guaranteed title.

So Dybala won us Scudetto and singlehandedly lost us CL.

None of what you said has anything to do with Serie A.

Nice deflection though.

 

[Post Ironic]

Ah right, the most important depth

Koulibaly and Hysaj for them. But the difference is, they both started 35 times, Chiello and AS 25 and 23, thats a significant difference which youre too stubborn to admit.

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Do you know what Dybalas xGoals/xQualityChances/xIndividualBrilliance rate is? If not, youre not fit for this argument

Now CL doesn't matter, because Dybala underperformed massively there last year and scored once in 9 matches, after taking 33 shots towards goal. Dude is the ultimate goalpost changer.

 

[zizinho]

Sandro was basically not at all injured in 2017/18, all the games he missed was because Allegri rotated him with Asamoah. That's what you call depth, something Napoli didn't have.


Of course it is.

Attackers can change the game when they are subbed on. Napoli didn't have anyone like Costa on the bench.

And Asamoah is mediocre, only reason he played so much was because AS was so much bellow his level. So there you go, Max basically had one WC defender last season, who missed 1/3rd of the season. He had no destroyer in midfield like Napoli had Allan, yet made us the best defense in Italy once more.

And Napoli could have played 4312 more often and subbed in Insigne/Mertens later on, solving their lack of offensive depth. But oh no wait, one trick pony sarree only knows how to use one formation and one system. Remember how Max changed the game vs Tottenham with subbing in Cost... no wait, he did it with Licht and Asa. A shame Neddy wasmt there to tell him that attackers are the most important subs

 

[Post Ironic]

None of what you said has anything to do with Serie A.

Nice deflection though.

I'm really sad now. We'd have our 3rd CL title right now if Paulo didn't fuck up so badly and screw Allegri over in CL. Losing in injury time against the winners. If Paulo actually performed even close to average. 8 matches, 33 shots, 1 goal, 0 assists, 1 red card. He singlehandedly lost us CL glory.

 

[Nedved96]

I'm really sad now. We'd have our 3rd CL title right now if Paulo didn't fuck up so badly and screw Allegri over in CL. Losing in injury time against the winners. If Paulo actually performed even close to average. 8 matches, 33 shots, 1 goal, 0 assists, 1 red card. He singlehandedly lost us CL glory.

From my memory of that CL campaign, we played like shit in basically every game apart from the last one at the Bernabeu.

Scrapped past Sporting and Olympiacos
Embarrassed by Barcelona
Schooled by Tottenham, only got through because of clinical finishing from Higuain and Dybala
The game at the Bernabeu was literally the only good game we played in that CL campaign

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And Asamoah is mediocre, only reason he played so much was because AS was so much bellow his level. So there you go,

Who’s fault is it that most of our creative and attacking players have regressed recently?

I mean, Sandro is far from the only one who’s form has nosedived in the last two seasons.

In fact, it’s become a very common theme.

 

[Post Ironic]

From my memory of that CL campaign, we played like shit in basically every game apart from the last one at the Bernabeu.

Scrapped past Sporting and Olympiacos
Embarrassed by Barcelona
Schooled by Tottenham, only got through because of clinical finishing from Higuain and Dybala
The game at the Bernabeu was literally the only good game we played in that CL campaign

Lol. Thanks to Dybala's one goal in the entire tournament. Good memory, bro.

33 shots attempted. 1 goal. Definitely failed his xGoals there. Maybe if he actually showed up against Sporting, Olympiacos, Barcelona, Madrid, we actually might have played better. But instead he was the guy who didn't create for his teammates, and flubbed every chance he got.

I'm sure he will win Ballon d'Or under Sarri though, like you claimed last year.

 

[Nedved96]

33 shots attempted. 1 goal. Definitely failed his xGoals there. Maybe if he actually showed up against Sporting, Olympiacos, Barcelona, Madrid, we actually might have done better.

How many of those shots were clear cut chances?

I challenge you to find a single clear cut chance that Dybala missed in the CL last season. I’m struggling to remember a single one.

Most of those shots were just hopeful potshots from 30 meters out.

Our play was shit against Barcelona, Olympiacos, Sporting and Tottenham. Dybala’s many shots don’t excuse our nonexistent passing and movement, that’s something the coach is responsible for.