Massimiliano Allegri (236 Viewers)

[v1rtu4l]

I've been watching this $#@!ing sport for over 30 years, I've seen many great players rising from being nobodies to stars. I look at Dybala and I see an enormous talent with a promising future. It makes my blood boil to see how we're just wasting him.

It's like having a Ferrari without wheels in your garage, you can look but not see it in action.

So how did being over played work out for comparable young strikers of Milans past. Already forgot about Pato ?

Allegri did good with Morata. Just because results don't go our way we do not need to create a Pogba scenario v2 and put all hopes on a single young player to make the difference. Dybala might cope better though since he seems to beer more down to earth and intelligent than Pogba.

 

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[v1rtu4l]

You're right, Evra would've saved the day.

Is that tactic working out for you?

First bitching that Sandro needs to be played because he is so much more creative and useful attacking and then when it shows that it was just jerk off fan fantasy and Sandro fails to show anything people claimed he was you try to change the topic... Pathetic like Sandros attacking today.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Is that tactic working out for you?

First bitching that Sandro needs to be played because he is so much more creative and useful attacking and then when it shows that it was just jerk off fan fantasy and Sandro fails to show anything people claimed he was you try to change the topic... Pathetic like Sandros attacking today.

The subject wasn't changed at all. It's either Sandro or Evra, and Sandro has the higher ceiling than a 34 year old Evra. He needs to play in order to reach that potential for us, not sit on the bench.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

whats your take on allegri in general? is he the right guy for our bench in your opinion?

I don't have a final opinion on him. He probably got taken by surprise by our boards bizarre decisions on this season's mercato. We would probably be at the top of the table right now if we still had Tevez and Vidal (Pirlo not so much).

On the other hand we have enough quality in this new squad - even if we agree some were opportunity signings rather than tactical planning ones - to be putting on better performances. He's failing to see that in order for a brand new team to click it needs consistency and this will only happen if they play together more often.

You look at our attacking line and then look at what month it is and the fact that he still haven't got a clue on who should be our main starters, and that should tell you how much of a mess we're in. @Osman said it better when he explained why we rely on Cuadrado so much.

I think he either starts taking the right decisions and by that I mean getting the results or he's not fit a club of this size, no matter what and how he achieved things in the past.

 

[Post Ironic]

Sandro did more in attack in the first half than Evra has done all season prior.

This is the first match in weeks that all our attacks didn't go through Cuadrado on the right side. Did the attacks work? Obviously not, but any attacking play at all from the left is better than what we have seen with Evra on the pitch this year.

 

[Scottish]

Sandro did more in attack in the first half than Evra has done all season prior.

This is the first match in weeks that all our attacks didn't go through Cuadrado on the right side. Did the attacks work? Obviously not, but any attacking play at all from the left is better than what we have seen with Evra on the pitch this year.

I was trying to put my finger on how exactly we looked different and you've nailed it. We were more spread out across the width of the pitch. Evra is a brilliant defender but never offers enough going forward to worry the opposition.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

So how did being over played work out for comparable young strikers of Milans past. Already forgot about Pato ?

Allegri did good with Morata. Just because results don't go our way we do not need to create a Pogba scenario v2 and put all hopes on a single young player to make the difference. Dybala might cope better though since he seems to beer more down to earth and intelligent than Pogba.

Overplaying? Do you know many times the same Barcelona attacking trio have played together a season? Look it up.

But again that was not my point at all. We need a SET starting attacking pair/trio as our main go to guys and rotate accordingly through out the season. We thought Dybala-Morata were it but then guess Allegri wants to play experiment again.

 

[v1rtu4l]

The subject wasn't changed at all. It's either Sandro or Evra, and Sandro has the higher ceiling than a 34 year old Evra. He needs to play in order to reach that potential for us, not sit on the bench.

Oh I thought the topic was that we need to play Sandro to enhance our attacking play but now it changed to 'we need to play Sandro to develop him'. The jury is still out of Sandro can become half the player evra is since his experience and calmness is more useful in there champions league, but just from this showing Sandro did even worse than what asamoah did on a good day and that tells you something.

 

[v1rtu4l]

Overplaying? Do you know many times the same Barcelona attacking trio have played together a season? Look it up.

Oh I just forgot that out team and our players are on Barcelona's level. Should have known that the secret to winning is 'just do what barca does'. Seems legit

But again that was not my point at all. We need a SET starting attacking pair/trio as our main go to guys and rotate accordingly through out the season.

That we can agree on

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Oh I just forgot that out team and our players are on Barcelona's level. Should have known that the secret to winning is 'just do what barca does'. Seems legit

You completely missed the point. I was not comparing our talent level but fitness instead. They field the same players in almost every match of a season, rotation only happens when it's needed due to injuries, rested needed and/or matches aren't as important. We don't play pressure Football the way they do so I don't see why our professional athletes couldn't handle it.

But again, it's more about not changing the squad every match. The time to experiment is long gone.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Oh I thought the topic was that we need to play Sandro to enhance our attacking play but now it changed to 'we need to play Sandro to develop him'. The jury is still out of Sandro can become half the player evra is since his experience and calmness is more useful in there champions league, but just from this showing Sandro did even worse than what asamoah did on a good day and that tells you something.

Are you serious? I very clearly stated that he has a higher ceiling, so yes, I did say he will approve our attacking play. And he will once he gets regular game time. It's not about development, it's about gelling with everyone else. If it were up to you, we'd probably be starting Llorente over Morata still, because fuck you if you don't play like Messi in your first few starts. Lets start Padoin over Pogba too, for that "calmness and experience."

 

[Hust]

My take on Maximus this season YTD:

-Defense I am OK with.
-Midfield that is full strength, I like his choices.
-Attack, this is my biggest concern. On paper we easily have the best attack in Italy there is no reason why we can't be scoring much more. He really needs to pick a duo and stick to it. Chopping them up so often can't be good.

 

[B3N]

When Conte benched Anelka or Bendtner, he had a point (obviously), but even then he gave them a fair chance to show if they up for it. What is it Allegri try to prove benching Dybala with 5-6 mins Cameos at the end?
Good job gifting points to another garbage side this time with a care taker, haha. At this point it's obvious, we are garbage ourselves.

riding Cuadrado's magic to make shit happen seems to be over too. opposition now knows how to shift heavily on his side since we have no width on the left.
Honestly, even IF, somehow we make a comeback at the end from this mess won't change the feeling that I have right now and that is to sack this guy before he run everything from team's identity to players' confidence to the ground.

 

[Hust]

So now its the fire allegri bandwagon?

 

[.zero]

If people thought it was a bad thing that Conte left during preseason then how could it be any better to replace Max heading into the 4th month of the season?

 

[B3N]

Bandwagon or not, I feel tricked into thinking he is a great manager by refusing to believe what I always knew (first ever coach to have Ibra and loose the Scudetto) and kept reading/hearing outside these forums. This guy can not lead for shit.

 

[.zero]

Bandwagon or not, I feel tricked into thinking he is a great manager by refusing to believe what I always knew and kept reading/hearing outside these forums. This guy can not lead for shit.

Well then I guess the joke is on you for being tricked

 

[B3N]

Well then I guess the joke is on you for being tricked

Yeah maxs quite a joker. The signs of progressions also are there, I forgot to add. Progression of becoming a joke team.

 

[Post Ironic]

Are you serious? I very clearly stated that he has a higher ceiling, so yes, I did say he will approve our attacking play. And he will once he gets regular game time. It's not about development, it's about gelling with everyone else. If it were up to you, we'd probably be starting Llorente over Morata still, because fuck you if you don't play like Messi in your first few starts. Lets start Padoin over Pogba too, for that "calmness and experience."

He forgets that Alex Sandro in his first game for us was the best player on the pitch.

And how on earth does anyone say his performance was bad today? They didn't have a chance attacking his side of the pitch, he was excellent defensively, and we actually attacked down the left side for the first time in several weeks. People are crazy.

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So now its the fire allegri bandwagon?

I'm not actually for firing right this moment. More so amusing overreaction in the aftermath of a second straight tactical fuck up.

However, if we aren't top 5 in the league by winter break, and qualified for Rof16 in CL... he should certainly be fired. So he has two months to right this sinking ship.

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I was trying to put my finger on how exactly we looked different and you've nailed it. We were more spread out across the width of the pitch. Evra is a brilliant defender but never offers enough going forward to worry the opposition.

It didn't matter so much last season with Tevez and Morata, as they don't rely on fullbacks to create from the wings for them. They both were capable of dropping deep to start the attack or allowing the midfield to bring the ball forward, they both were capable of drifting out wide effectively... and so on...

This season we see how much we miss that partnership. Zaza and Mandzukic need service from the wings. They also need wingers/fullbacks drawing the defense out, stretching the field for them. Unfortunately in 4-3-3 with Evra, no one stretches the left side in attack, as Morata spends much of the time drifting centrally, and all our attacks go through the right side of the pitch. Sandro and Pogba playing LB and LCM is much dangerous offensively, and allows us to stretch the field on both sides when attacking, rather than being so Cuadrado dependent.

 

[Salvo]

Sinking ship, come on, we aren't great right now but we have improved in regards to the start of the season. Remember last years group stage? We nearly didnt make it through.

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If people thought it was a bad thing that Conte left during preseason then how could it be any better to replace Max heading into the 4th month of the season?

Also people calling for Conte back, I love the guy but are we forgetting how badly we played in the group stages under him? After Allegri took us to the title and CL final as well. Then we call Real dumb for sacking their coaches so easily.