Martin Cáceres (17 Viewers)

[Salvatore]

What has he improved since he arrived?

He is still good going forward, he still makes lots of stupid decisions every game.

It's not "lots" of stupid decisions every game at all, and nobody was pointing them all out when he was again performing better than the majority of our team has so far.

That is simply not true, sorry. Every single time the ball goes to someone in he's side i just feel something horrible will happen. That has been happening since day one he arrived.

Feeling something will happen doesn't mean it will happen.

 

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[Enron]

Whatever it is that hits the switch in his head and makes him storm at the ball / a player like a bull towards a red carpet.

Definitely panic. Killer instinct is cool, calm, and calculated.

 

[Ken]

Definitely panic. Killer instinct is cool, calm, and calculated.

Fair enough.

 

[El Santo]

If his price tag is over 8 million, I don't want him here.

 

[IrishZebra]

Camos spiritual heir

 

[Sad Statue]

i want him in juve. the guy has potential and is very young. if he is told by a good coach what to do and how to defend, he can be a really good dr...

 

[Red]

It's not "lots" of stupid decisions every game at all, and nobody was pointing them all out when he was again performing better than the majority of our team has so far.

It was lots and I was pointing them out. At some times in the season his athleticism was enough to allow him to recover, but the initial mistake was still made.

He has been better and worse than many players, if that makes sense.

 

[Red]

This is true and this makes him the worst defender i've ever seen in Juve, and i've seen lots of them.

I am not exaggerating. You don't even need to follow football to realize that what he's doing is wrong. I'd understand if the ball was red, because he's as stupid as a bull, but the ball is not red and he's still running full speed at it, no matter where the ball is. His timing is awful. Actually, he has absolutely no sense for it.
Yeah, when it works, it's good for the eye. With his speed he can get first to the ball very often. But as a defender he needs to minimize his bad decisions and since his decision is to always run at full speed to get the ball, he'll be late very often (because he decides to run for the ball even in situations when there is 0% chance to get it) and even if he's late only 3 times out of 10, those three times will cost his team dearly. Either he'll leave all the space in the world for the opponent (he can't control himself when he runs so fast, so he can't stop and run back), or he'll catch opponent's leg and get a red card.

What's amazing is that he keeps doing it. There is absolutely no chance that the coaches he worked with didn't tell him that what he's doing is very wrong and that they didn't try to teach him how to defend. They surely told him all this.
So, since he keeps doing it, the only conclusion is that he's extremely stupid.

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[only-juve]

^^^

Pretty much sums up our player. Body without brain managers can't fix that.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

It was lots and I was pointing them out. At some times in the season his athleticism was enough to allow him to recover, but the initial mistake was still made.

He has been better and worse than many players, if that makes sense.

Strangely enough, it makes a lot of sense.

Still, there are a lot of people who want to "try" him as a CB. Now that should turn out great.

 

[Sad Statue]

^^^

Pretty much sums up our player. Body without brain managers can't fix that.

you are wrong dude. this is the easy solution. something is wrong, so through it away and everything is ok.

the guy is only 22. he has learned to do what he does but that isn't something you can't change. guardiola didn't want him in the team and so he didn't bother supporting him or teaching him what he should do. look how much guardiola supports Chygrynskiy although he does one silly mistake after the other...

caceres suddenly has not been in a team with a good coach believing in him till now. in barca he was considered unwanted and here i don't think that ciro has done any job with him.

i believe in the kid. he is only 22. he has some things that are rather rare. he has some disadvantages too but i think that with a good coach he can learn how to defend properly.

he is a defender with very good dribbling, very good crossing and he is very fast. these are attributes that someone can't find easily in a defender. the proper way of defending is something that you can learn. and he is only 22 and has plenty of time.

his main disadvantage is that he is very hot tempered. this can give him the heart to attack when everyone else is just messing around but can also lead him to very bad challenges. someone should teach him what he should do.

generally i have seen some skills that can't be seen often in a defender. i have seen them only in players like dani alves, evra and maicon. selling him and keeping someone like grygera who haven't any of those talents but knows something that martin can also learn is rather stupid.

an other fact is that usually attacking full backs need great defenders next to them to cover for them when they attack. evra has ferdinand next to him, dani alves has pique, while caceres has canna or legro...

and, don't tell me that you want to see him as a defender. his weak point is defence and his strong attack. so why put someone in a position that demands defending and will totally waste all his attacking capabilities??

i have this feeling that if we don't buy him and he ends to a team with a good coach we will see another henry story...

 

[ThePLaya]

easy on the boy,,, he is a fighter ,, he did not mean to get it (red card)

i guess he can be a good RB instead of zibena

 

[Red]

 

[Sad Statue]

easy on the boy,,, he is a fighter ,, he did not mean to get it (red card)

i guess he can be a good RB instead of zibena

of course he didn't mean to. he simply didn't know what to do cause nobody has ever told him. the job of a coach is to guide young players and teach them their duties...

and my opinion is that he CAN be twice the player zebina is...

is it irony, or you just remembered a awesome joke??

 

[Red]

It amuses me that The Playa thinks it is okay for a player to get sent off because 'he didn't mean to get it' and that Caceres is a good replacement for Zebina.

When replacing Zebina, I want a player that has at least half a brain and not another one who is going to make endless stupid decisions.

 

[Sad Statue]

It amuses me that The Playa thinks it is okay for a player to get sent off because 'he didn't mean to get it' and that Caceres is a good replacement for Zebina.

When replacing Zebina, I want a player that has at least half a brain and not another one who is going to make endless stupid decisions.

fully agree...

 

[JBF]

you are wrong dude. this is the easy solution. something is wrong, so through it away and everything is ok.

the guy is only 22. he has learned to do what he does but that isn't something you can't change. guardiola didn't want him in the team and so he didn't bother supporting him or teaching him what he should do. look how much guardiola supports Chygrynskiy although he does one silly mistake after the other...

caceres suddenly has not been in a team with a good coach believing in him till now. in barca he was considered unwanted and here i don't think that ciro has done any job with him.

i believe in the kid. he is only 22. he has some things that are rather rare. he has some disadvantages too but i think that with a good coach he can learn how to defend properly.

he is a defender with very good dribbling, very good crossing and he is very fast. these are attributes that someone can't find easily in a defender. the proper way of defending is something that you can learn. and he is only 22 and has plenty of time.

his main disadvantage is that he is very hot tempered. this can give him the heart to attack when everyone else is just messing around but can also lead him to very bad challenges. someone should teach him what he should do.

generally i have seen some skills that can't be seen often in a defender. i have seen them only in players like dani alves, evra and maicon. selling him and keeping someone like grygera who haven't any of those talents but knows something that martin can also learn is rather stupid.

an other fact is that usually attacking full backs need great defenders next to them to cover for them when they attack. evra has ferdinand next to him, dani alves has pique, while caceres has canna or legro...

and, don't tell me that you want to see him as a defender. his weak point is defence and his strong attack. so why put someone in a position that demands defending and will totally waste all his attacking capabilities??

i have this feeling that if we don't buy him and he ends to a team with a good coach we will see another henry story...

Great post

Yet I have to disagree with the bolded part, you just can't call Pique and Ferdinad "Great" defenders and claim that Canna is junk

 

[Sad Statue]

Great post

Yet I have to disagree with the bolded part, you just can't call Pique and Ferdinad "Great" defenders and claim that Canna is junk

canna WAS a wold class defender. there is no doubt. right now he is an average one. he has experience but nothing more. ferdinand and pique(or puyol) are great defenders right now.

i think that canna who plays right now for juve is at least half the player that canna who played some years before was.

 

[v1rtu4l]

That is simply not true, sorry. Every single time the ball goes to someone in he's side i just feel something horrible will happen.

yeah, the only thing that misses is, that everytime an opponent runs on his side there is some hitchcock-sound (like sharp violins) that gets louder as he approaches for another murdertackle ...

 

[El Santo]

yeah, the only thing that misses is, that everytime an opponent runs on his side there is some hitchcock-sound (like sharp violins) that gets louder as he approaches for another murdertackle ...