Mafia 2020 - Find the carrier (11 Viewers)

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,907
Give me one good reason why the BG should not reveal himself?

The only reason is that it increases the G's chance to whack the D by 1 or 2%. That's a risk which I wouldn't take normally, but in a short game we have to take it.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,752
Give me one good reason why the BG should not reveal himself?

The only reason is that it increases the G's chance to whack the D by 1 or 2%. That's a risk which I wouldn't take normally, but in a short game we have to take it.
Maybe he should at least wait until after tonight. Doesn't really help to reveal before the detective investigates.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,907
Maybe he should at least wait until after tonight. Doesn't really help to reveal before the detective investigates.
And if the D investigates the BG?

The main reason why the BG should go public is for the D to have a bigger chance to investigate a G. The D's investigation tonight could be crucial.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,752
And if the D investigates the BG?

The main reason why the BG should go public is for the D to have a bigger chance to investigate a G. The D's investigation tonight could be crucial.
Well, there's a 1/11 chance of that, while there's 1/9 chance that the Gs would waste a whack on the BG :D
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,907
Well, there's a 1/11 chance of that, while there's 1/9 chance that the Gs would waste a whack on the BG :D
If the D knows who's the the BG, and since the D knows that he himself is not a G, he has a 3/10 chance to get a G (that's 30%). If the Gs know who is the BG they will have 1/7 (if Osman is a C) to get the D (that's 14%).

Did I count right?

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Also, there is a 1/12 chance that Osman is the D and we're safe there.
A 1/12 chance that the mofo is the BG, though :lol:

What do we do? We go with no lynch?
 

piotrr

Мodеrator
Sep 13, 2011
34,009
What do you guys think about investigating Osman?
It'll reduce the chances that the D will waste an investigation on the whacked person.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,752
If the D knows who's the the BG, and since the D knows that he himself is not a G, he has a 3/10 chance to get a G (that's 30%). If the Gs know who is the BG they will have 1/7 (if Osman is a C) to get the D (that's 14%).

Did I count right?
Yes, a 3/10 (30%) chance if he knows the BG, compared to a 3/11 (27%) chance if he doesn't.

If the Gs know the BG, 1/7 (14%) chance of getting the D compared to 1/8 (12.5%) if they don't know. Same odds for completely wasting a whack.

So yeah, better for the BG to be known before.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,907
Here are all the percentages:

1) If the BG reveals himself, the Gs have 14% chance to whack the D (if Osman is a C)
2) if the BG reveals himself, the Gs have 12.5% to whack the D (if Osman is a G)

3) If the BG doesn't reveal himself, the Gs have 12.5% to whack the D (if Osman is C)
4) If the BG doesn't reveal himself, the Gs have a 11% chance to whack the D (if Osman is a G)

So, the Gs chance to whack the D increases by 1.5% if the BG reveals himself

5) If the BG doesn't reveal himself, the Gs have 12.5 chance to waste a whack if Osman is a C, and 11% to waste a whack if Osman is a G.

6) If the BG reveals himself, the D has a 30% chance to investigate a G.
7) if the BG doesn't reveal himself, the D has a 27% chance to investigate a G.

What should prevail? The 3% better chance for the D to get it right, or the 1.5% risk to lose the D?

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One more thing...

What if the D investigates a G tonight?
What does he do? Go public and tell us?
Remember that the Gs will find out via the crooked cop who was investigated and the investigated G can claim to be the D and confuse us all. We might even lynch a C tomorrow.
I did this already as a G once or twice.

That's why we need the BG to go public. The D will tell him via PM who he'll investigate and if the investigated person turns out to be a G, the BG will tell us this information, protecting the D's identity during the process.

@piotrr Percentage wise it makes sense to investigate Osman, but I would prefer if the D simply follows his instinct. He should investigate who he finds most suspicious and not who we tell him to.
 
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Klin

نحن الروبوتات
May 27, 2009
61,692
Here are all the percentages:

1) If the BG reveals himself, the Gs have 14% chance to whack the D (if Osman is a C)
2) if the BG reveals himself, the Gs have 12.5% to whack the D (if Osman is a G)

3) If the BG doesn't reveal himself, the Gs have 12.5% to whack the D (if Osman is C)
4) If the BG doesn't reveal himself, the Gs have a 11% chance to whack the D (if Osman is a G)

So, the Gs chance to whack the D increases by 1.5% if the BG reveals himself

5) If the BG doesn't reveal himself, the Gs have 12.5 chance to waste a whack if Osman is a C, and 11% to waste a whack if Osman is a G.

6) If the BG reveals himself, the D has a 30% chance to investigate a G.
7) if the BG doesn't reveal himself, the D has a 27% chance to investigate a G.

What should prevail? The 3% better chance for the D to get it right, or the 1.5% risk to lose the D?

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One more thing...

What if the D investigates a G tonight?
What does he do? Go public and tell us?
Remember that the Gs will find out via the crooked cop who was investigated and the investigated G can claim to be the D and confuse us all. We might even lynch a C tomorrow.
I did this already as a G once or twice.

That's why we need the BG to go public. The D will tell him via PM who he'll investigate and if the investigated person turns out to be a G, the BG will tell us this information, protecting the D's identity during the process.

@piotrr Percentage wise it makes sense to investigate Osman, but I would prefer if the D simply follows his instinct. He should investigate who he finds most suspicious and not who we tell him to.
How can the D trust the BG today?
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,752
Here are all the percentages:

1) If the BG reveals himself, the Gs have 14% chance to whack the D (if Osman is a C)
2) if the BG reveals himself, the Gs have 12.5% to whack the D (if Osman is a G)

3) If the BG doesn't reveal himself, the Gs have 12.5% to whack the D (if Osman is C)
4) If the BG doesn't reveal himself, the Gs have a 11% chance to whack the D (if Osman is a G)

So, the Gs chance to whack the D increases by 1.5% if the BG reveals himself

5) If the BG doesn't reveal himself, the Gs have 12.5 chance to waste a whack if Osman is a C, and 11% to waste a whack if Osman is a G.

6) If the BG reveals himself, the D has a 30% chance to investigate a G.
7) if the BG doesn't reveal himself, the D has a 27% chance to investigate a G.

What should prevail? The 3% better chance for the D to get it right, or the 1.5% risk to lose the D?

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One more thing...

What if the D investigates a G tonight?
What does he do? Go public and tell us?
Remember that the Gs will find out via the crooked cop who was investigated and the investigated G can claim to be the D and confuse us all. We might even lynch a C tomorrow.
I did this already as a G once or twice.

That's why we need the BG to go public. The D will tell him via PM who he'll investigate and if the investigated person turns out to be a G, the BG will tell us this information, protecting the D's identity during the process.

@piotrr Percentage wise it makes sense to investigate Osman, but I would prefer if the D simply follows his instinct. He should investigate who he finds most suspicious and not who we tell him to.
Good point, that's the tie-breaker there.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
53,907
And have in mind that the Gs know much more than the Cs do. They want to find the D and the jailer. The lawyer too, but that guy is harder to discover.

Right now they are probably analyzing who jailed Osman. Some of you already made yourselves good suspects for the jailer role. They won't whack the potential jailer, but they will try to recruit him later. I hope that the jailer was smart not to accuse Osman and then jail him.
They want to hit the D tonight. They can't hit Osman if he's a C and they won't hit the 1-2 suspects who they think are the jailer. I think they will exclude me as a potential D. That will leave them 5-6 potential candidates for the D role. If the BG reveals himself, it's gonna make a smaller short list for them and that's the risk for the civilians.

But if the BG reveals himself and the D contacts the BG, the Gs won't really know who will the BG protect. Will he protect himself or the detective?. What to do then? Shall they try to whack the BG after all? Or will they say "fuck it, lets try to just kill a civilian". "Which one?" "Just whack Janna or Mr. Chocolate".

So many options :D
 

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