One promise, at times, is worth more than an oath inside of a court. And the "black Man", also hidden behind the tie of an anonymity by now coatto, extended to the shadow of many subjects of gossip, times outside place, does not seem to correspond to the type of person who, escapes the danger, decides of hiding the truth in Hush, or remain deaf
The red sipario, or that is raised that by now remains some. All said, speak of the black Man, this time, to the presence of Carl Nesti.
Question - Kind "black Man", before greeting to us, are you ready to satisfy the curiosity that has provoked the last sanctioned promise?
Answer - I am ready, and I do not have fear. It instead, from the voice, he seems stiff as usual. The telephone calls, do not scare me. I wants to say that my job, than my mission, it has sortito the effects hopes to you. The fact would have to make to reflect many persons that I speak, as it says, with the tie of the anonymity. I do not want publicity, this is clear. Otherwise, I would not have problems to reveal my identity. That, unfortunately, it would not make other that to crush the authenticity of my truth.
Question - All that that he says, falls back on Carl Nesti and on me. It is not the maximum, for who must moreover face its ego. I m not sorry to have proposed them this solution in order to tell us the truth, but not confuse the truth with the ambiguity, not to comprise it.
Answer - it is not a my problem. But I understand that it can some can be annoyed. by now counts that equal you, how much or what you are not, you said a such one to it of Machiavelli name, often remembered for the banal second principle which the result is in a position to justifying means. Normal E' that happens, also must pay some scotto. Happiness without suffering does not exist. Or not?
Question - For starters, do not make questions alone, otherwise my role would be marginal.
Answer - He laughs - I do not want to say discounted things, and some questions that it proposes it are. If the questions are not punctual, must correct the shooting. I make also for she, believes to me. They are not at all sorry to have accepted its I invite, also because I had makes me to pardon not the participation in its book, in which I would have been in company of many persons who I estimate. But my truth, to uncovered face, I could not never have said to them. On purpose of ambiguity, I pick the occasion in order to maintain the promise that I made them in the last interview, aiming to the objective. Because, me it concurs, the vicissitude of calciopoli is the result of an infinite series of ambiguity, that all in the same river slide, with the same step, in the same bed. Useless to search the truth, when it is had under the nose, to wave. The problem, to times, is not to understand who governs the threads, but to know because it governs them.
Question - It also continues, a lot we are to the sgoccioli.
Answer - It, does not take care itself. She would have to be content of these detections, and instead it is sad. At times, I do not understand it. Returning to the primary speech, I say to them that calciopoli, the vicissitude Lapo Elkann and the removal of the Triade is the result of a human design, fact with the same hand. Also the company, in bottom to the burlap, is much clear one. Nesti - Kindly, if it is not in a position to formulating concrete tests, delivering them to the ordinary and sport justice, it avoids to put this company. The NESTI Channel cannot consequently assume some responsibility, if the detections are founded alone on the subject of gossip, for which rules.
Question - We go to the hard, kind black Man, without to exaggerate if possible. The time tightens, and we have to go. What do you think about the Elkann case, and what connects this vicissitude to that one of calciopoli and to the hunting of the Triade?
Answer - At the moment, the situation of Lapo Elkann is much fluid. Before a sure evening, it was the rampollo of Fiat house. The Man of the future, according to Gianni Agnelli. Tasks that given boy, worked for various months in the assembly line of the "Piaggio" under the false name of Lapo Red, always under the alert control of guards of the body in incognito. Just like the lamented son of Umberto! It had to succeed to natch the requirements of the proletarian class for being able to guide it, said always the Lawyer Agnelli. And it was therefore, because the Lawyer had much influence on him. While with John, the relationships were lukewarm. And I would prefer to stop here, if not dislike.
Question - How they took that decision, in the family?
Answer - Nobody taken it well, between the Elkann, that decision, and refers to the insertion in the corporate structure of Lapo in the laborer garment. But in spite of the credentials, and the investions of the Lawyer, at this point it is clear that Lapo has supported one true and own diseredazione, passing from stars to the stables.
Question - Before continuing, porgo one small question. Why u name always Gianni Agnelli with the formal term, of Lawyer?
Answer - There is much legacy to its figure, but I do not want to go beyond. Returning to the previous speech, I can guarantee to them that Lapo will not work more in the Fiat company, although is the only one to know it from top to bottom, being be forced to open one own activity, coming sent in America. And it knows because?
Question - you ask me?
Answer - He laughs - No, its for giving followed to a speech that it always interrupted. A beautiful evening, the secret of Lapo comes out but smashed. That one guarded between four walls. And it is not said, between the Elkann, than that passion of Lapo it was extemporaneous. All knew, but nobody has never made something in order to help it. Sure fear, or diffidenza was had like one, in speaking of. A careful family, if of it would be shrewed, although was not more than an adolescent, Lapo. The relationship with the mrs. or Mr. Patrizia, forty-years old trans a Brazilian one, was in end from a long time. Never has wondered because a boy with immense possibilities decides to barter one evening in one lussuosa discotheque between champagne and women, to the center of much superficial company, with one small festicciola in an apartment to the shoulders of a badly attended quarter? In that place, went to us from a po'. Strange that, but in that evening, on 11 October, three years ago, someone has carefully lay down to him, near a palace, in the middle of the street, without his coat. Also the peggior enemy it comes to help, in a moment of extreme difficulty.
Question - Continue
Answer - Nevertheless, someone decided that it was better to leave it reversed earth, in one infinite agony. Even, than to put it to us in that position, after to have observed all from one defiled position. Because for a long time Lapo was followed from a group of photographers, that they had tightened friendships with its outlandish companies.
Question - In that evening,they succeeded, what?
Answer - by the end of the day, like in one of the many consecutive evenings, to house of Patrizia, in order to pass the usual hours of disinhibited company.
Question - He was in company?
Answer - I would prefer not to answer to this question. But Patrizia was someone to introduce it to him. It is not exactly that type of company that you meet in Public square Castle. For him, it has become at this point a pleasant diversivo to go to us. He has always suffered, sin from boy, of one light and not debilitating shape of compulsiv obsession, Lapo Elkann. That was his way to control more than ten times the gas before exiting of house, or verifying the insertion of the burglar alarm, until consuming the handle of the shop of the guide. He only need to feel himself loved, wished. That what he evidently felt in that small apartment . It asks its previous companion Star. It knows which was the more frequent question that turned to them?
Question - The task is not necessary this precise, in its examination.
Answer - This is the decisive question . He will not want to interfere in the answers, beyond making of the questions discounted, I hope. It turned them the same question, to all hours. He asked: "you want Me, is it true that you want me ? ". The continuation was one, of spasmodic routine. A sign of weakness, the same one that has carried it to endure the tradimento of who thought friend. The same one that has sunk it. From that moment, the life of Lapo has changed. Like a dice battery that falls, and it is difficult to recompose in the same way.
Nesti - To me Lapo Elkann is likeable. I belive that, for like Martina a Star, I would perhaps have left to Alvise Cagnazzo also the direction of this situated Web, i believe... In the sense that I have leggermente various tastes... In any case, they are the many cases of boys weel-off people, than posseggono all, and that, just for this, they more do not succeed to excite itself, if not with special experiences. I would be always disposed to help it, and to embrace it, if he never had need of me. It is not the first one, and the last one to not to have fallen in the trap of the incorrect excess. Jesus has taught to us to forgive, to many, perhaps, this does not interest them. To me, instead, it matters, and also a lot!
Question - Whats with the Moggi case and the demotion of the Juventus there, excuse me
Answer - You make us to arrive, for courtesy. When Lapo Elkann arrived to the Mauritian hospital of Turin, there was already a photographer. But it was not Luciano Moggi to call it. It is not difficult to imagine who has been, but. With the telephones, task knows that at this point it can be made of all. The strange thing, than to more has upset me, is but an other. Possible that Fiat, the great Fiat company, has not been in a position to disbursing some poor one spy in order to protect Lapo, buying a determined photographic material, in a such a delicate moment , for a member of the Elkann family?
Question - I do not get it, "black Man".
Answer - You dont want to get it, in order not to go to the "war". Maurizio Costanzo has even made from intermediary for being able to acquire the compromising photos of Totti. And Moggi, to the times of " Viva Lein", covered several times the Tudor, Montero and Athirson as well,
which it reached in Italy only in order to pass little ordinary evenings, while the pregnant moglie waited for it to house, than the news escape was relative odd. And these particular were not never known, like that one of Montero that fidanzò with one of those girls for some month. And when the Juventus gained badges, festivities, if in such a way it wants that it calls to them,Moggi organized them all , for the joy of the footballers. Nevertheless, nobody has never known nothing. While to the Inter when a "scappattela" was made the news went to all the channels. It sees, is for this reason, than I do not comprise the mediatico laxism of the Elkann in the comparisons of a situation that, also serious, would have been gestibile. Insomma, possible that Fiat has not succeeded to find an agreement economic?
Question - What insinuates?
Answer - As of i know, they never had the intention to catch up with it, an agreement in order insabbiare the vicissitude. Dont believe to the stories of defenseless Agnelli that have been attacked by the wolves . At times, they are Agnelli that are thrown in the mouth of the lupo, because they can think it the easier solution, in order to resolve otherwise irriversable problems. A lot is true that Crown succeeded to interview Patrizia, the same evening, in order to obtain elucidations in merit. How it is possible this? But becomes account that without a tip not would be never successful? It was succeeded to manifacture the intruglio for a long time dreamed. The same Patrizia, had watches case of the deep relationships of acquaintance with determines photographers to you, and not only with them. And I stop here. And that evening was watches case released of the photos in the still warm apartment. The cachet of the sedusive Patrizia has gone around on six million Liras by that evening. , moreover, Lapo Elkann wasntnight dressed as a woman. As many have said. Nevertheless, the complaints from part of the Elkann have not left towards that average that have muddy the name of Lapo. They have exposed to the public ludibrio. Perhaps, it convens to begin to shovel some centimeter of earth for being able to dig the fossa to someone.
Question - the full responsibility of what is said how much is assumed, "black Man": we dissociate ourselves. We try to continue. Why, second it, little minuteren after the malore was the onslaught of the photographers in the apartment, with an embarrassing tempismo considering the grotteschi contours of the vicissitude?
Answer - In that period, the interceptions were to full regimen. And then the courage is had to complain itself if someone uses the telephones anti interception. The same ones of Moggi: Telecom vicissitude docet.
Question - What is of suspicion in that vicissitude?
Answer - positive series of clamorous coincidences has been skillful in taking advantage of one. They have been skillful, I said. And it is a compliment with the retrogusto of the deceit. I will not give any names, I could speak about omissis or omissis. But it would be too much, also for someone like me. This helps to reflect, in that period, Lapo declared of wanting to become president of the Juventus, lavishing ironic phrases, and attends well not offensive, on Luciano Moggi. Phrases that, in an other context, even more extended, neanche would have been brought back or taken in consideration. Nevertheless, they only accused Moggi for an exchange of struck salaci. In literature, it knows as the sewn figure is defined leans to Moggi? That one of the idiot profit, that is of the little protected and ingenuous person, than to first spallata cannot that to collapse to earth not knowing like raising itself. Indeed, not being able to raise itself.
Question - Therefore, to its warning, the turned accusations to Moggi are infondate?
Answer - I say that they are useful for who wishes to realize a beautiful plan. The history standard that is not at all difficult to order a conspiracy, enough to trace a motive and two coincidences. In that period, it is careful, Moggi was in order to sign I renew of the contract until to 2010, to the pair of Giraudo and Bettega. The associates of majority of the Juventus, also by means of interviews, succeeded to bless those renews. Diffuse images of Gabetti embraced to the Triade even came, with a lot of phrases times to remember the vicinity of the Elkann to the managing group much beloved to the Family Agnelli. Strange that, nel.giro.di two weeks, has been decided of rinnegare the sanctioned agreement with the direction of Gabetti. Strange that Montezemolo has not raised a finger in order to defend Lapo, or that the Elkann the sventurato protagonist of the evening riproposto within the Fiat company. As it is strange that Crown offers in exclusive right for the fifty mila euro interview of Patrizia to the coordinator of a popular scandalistico weekly magazine of name Miss.s, but accusations equally Moggi. Nevertheless, with all the photographers already lain in wait for under house, with Crown in the environs, possible that it has been accused of all Moggi? To this point, it could be said that it is guilt of Moggi also the indulto, the persecution of the ethnic minorities or the rise of the fuel. It has mistaken, but it has not been the only one.
Question -i want to make us understand, then, who has been the guilty one?
Answer - I can only make one simple consideration. Without circumlocutions, the principle exists of is gone communicating. There are three containers, with the same water to the inside. We name that Juventus, Ferrari and Fiat . Well, if it comes to remove the case of the water to one called Juventus, the other two are all filled up. And if you adds the special container to them of the Ifil, the speech is clearer. In this case, at present, the accounts of Fiat, the Ferrari and of the Ifil they fly. Those of the Juventus, not.
Nesti - firm here: I only concur to formulate this consideration. People presume what they want, on eventual responsibilities to the inside of the group. It is not in a position to trying them, and remains, therefore, fruit of its fantasy. We do not share to them.
Answer - Face as it believes: the head of household is she. But an other element in a position to corroborating my thesis is legacy to the partition of the patrimony of Agnelli. Mrs. Margherita is in cause for the partition of the assets, a cause that has introduced against Great Stevens and Gabetti, the supporters of Moggi with Andrea Agnelli, disappeared from the circulation, although he is the only true Agnelli.
Question - the full responsibility of said how much is assumed, black Man: we dissociate ourselves. The Juventus what has to share with this situation?
Answer - the Juventus has had the misfortune of having a general manager the accused, without concrete tests, from the average, by means of the pretest of one simple and ironica struck of Lapo. Beyond that of having it avails again like Montezemolo, interested, obviously, more to the Ferrari. It has enthusiast, the Juventus, in the living the disaster of the case calciopoli in the exact moment in which Fiat he has crossed its greater crisis. How to ask to a premurosa mother to who debit to eat for first two sons starves to you and infreddoliti? It does not find it difficult? Although the great din, but, I do not seem that it has been decided to make to re-enter Lapo in coppers of the company. E' be forced to go via from Italy, and in Fiat for he not will be more place. The family concept, I thought contemplated the solidarity and the loving forgiveness between the members of a same nucleus, evidently I mistook myself. But nobody has made my same question, because the important thing, attends well, is not to resolve the problems, but to find a monster with the dirty hands of blood. However in this system, in this society, a monster uses itself to redimere the sin searching.
Question - Because of Montezemolo?
Answer - Montezemolo has been struck in order to avoid that the Juventus new resorted to the Tar, but then accusing avails again of its rich Ferrari threatening to resort to the sport justice. Why?
Question - it is accusing Montezemolo to make the interests of the Ferrari and Fiat, taking itself the rivincite due for to have been replaced from Moggi the guide of the Juventus?
Answer - This says to be it, but Montezemolo to Juventus never has historically not given null. And if we must be sincere, he has always removed something. In its short period of management, the Juventus did not make other that to collectiom defeats and dishonors. An increase of understood them would have been enough before the demotion, and Mutu would not be yielded for eight million. And the same thing can be extended to Ibrahimovic, Viera, Cannavaro, Emerson, Zambrotta and Thuram. The nomination of Zaccone lawyer, then, me seems fruit of one strategy.
Nesti - Montezemolo is an extraordinary personage. Yes, to the Juventus it has failed (without appeal tests, after hardly a management year), but it has while not been replaced from Moggi, but from Boniperti bis, and moreover it has so revitalized the Ferrari, than to accuse it me it seems outside of the all place!
Question - While I prepare the suitcases, the salute. And the council to moderate itself.
Answer - he laughs - Zaccone is a great lawyer. Much Bravo, was called in order to try to scagionare also the protagonists of the massacre of From Liguria Novi. E' a lawyer from last beach. It is not in a position to ribaltare the processes, but of patteggiare and reducing the damages. This choice, to me, seemed sin from endured like one average admission of the will to dismettere understood them the Juventus. To level of image, but also managing. A lawyer cannot ask the demotion and one penalty without contrary tests and without to try to defend. Milan, they were struck like lions. Less than it it has not been suggested, from someone, to pilot the sentence on a suitable distance to the new requirements of the Juventus. With the cadetteria, tests to reason, are not simpler to justify the future defeats? The future years without conquests of Goblets or badges? I answer. , it is easier. Still I have not understood that fine they have made venticinque the million that they advance from one campaign acquires disastrous. Then, I see the Ifil that it flies, Fiat that flies, the Ferrari that flies. And I understand many things. The Juventus, occupies only the last step of the priorities.
Nesti - This is an opinion. I, instead, have admired the pulizia moral of the new society. They have become account that there were of the colpe to espiare, and therefore have accepted the sentence, rebelling itself single, and just, to 2 badges revoca you: the second grida vendetta. Moreover, with great sense of responsibility, they have become account that the resource would have had positive outcome, but would have subordinate the soccer movement to according to earthquake, more terrible of the first one. Not, it believes to me: this calls good sense, this calls style, what before not there was.
Black man - But it stops it to make the moderate one, just that, for guilt of dark maneuvers of the Triade, it has arrived second, on the wool thread, in the choice of the new hymn of the Juve? But know that the players, Cannavaro to it in head, before the choice of the definitive hymn, sang alone the its, beautifulst?
Nesti - black Man, changes speech. That one is the past. In the life not always the merits are enough in order to win. And if you do not have the tests, but only suspiciones, in order to demonstrate that six damaged state, you must be zitto. I have learned to be zitto. If you spoke, or you wrote, without tests, I would make my trade badly. Understood hour "
Question - black Man, if it ok, also I would like to dismiss it. But this time, I do not want to greet.
Answer - Why?
Question - But now she is she that ago the questions?
Answer - laughs - I know already that these will lack converse. While to others, it will make comfortable a little Hush. Perhaps, it with respect to the reason has reason. What it kills, but that not ago noise. In any case, when you want, you know where to find to me.
Nesti - Thanks from my part . It has interpreted the thought of many tifosi juventini, than they have not accepted the sentences of calciopoli. I respect these opinions, but I feel myself very close to the moral stature of new the managing ones. I prefer to gain little, but to win clean, without shadows. Of Moggi the memory of a shocking technical competence remains me, than I augur to it to replace to fruit to concluded disqualification. On the tones used in the telephone calls, instead, I prefer not to say much: it has been already said enough. Buy "black man".