Lukaku a̶n̶d̶ ̶K̶e̶s̶s̶i̶e̶ thread. (22 Viewers)

[Robee]

I know you have selective memory. Ask your special needs teacher for a gold star

https://www.juventuz.com/threads/summer-mercato-season-2023-24.45075/page-167#post-6696795

Exactly what I said. As in cherrypicking and non-comprehensive reading.

Totd: Personal attacks are a sign of weakness. Lay low on them.

 

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[Badass J Elkann]

Let me spell it out for you

"Which is the same fucking thing in reality"

Your words not mine.

 

[Robee]

Let me spell it out for you

"Which is the same fucking thing in reality"

Your words not mine.

Too hard to explain a concept like context and full discussion to certain individuals. Might try googling cherrypicking 'tho.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Speak for yourself

 

[Robee]

Speak for yourself

So, let's get back to the subject now; injury prone Partey. Why would any club offer the guy a contract when it's so obvious he'll be injured all the time?

 

[Seven]

It's called wear and tear and physical midfielders suffer them quicker. But what would you know you claim full backs and wing back is the same position and you know this because you play football with 10 year old kids down the park every week.

I'm pretty sure you've not played a lot of football in your life. I'm also not sure it's relevant to the debate. I've played semi pro myself for a few years, but it doesn't necessarily make me an expert. I have mates who have never played, yet almost their entire life revolves around football.

In any case you're pretty full of yourself for someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.

A wingback usually has a little more licence to attack, while a fullback is more committed to his defensive duties. The differences are minimal at best though and it all depends on how the entire team line up. In a 3-5-2 any fullback is going to end up a bit more of a wingback, because there's just no space in the back and there are three CB's covering for him anyway. In a 4-4-2 any wingback will automatically perform more like a fullback, because there is less coverage behind him.

Ask any true out and out winger to play at wingback though and see how much they like it. That tells you it's just a slightly more offensive fullback.

 

[Osman]

Weird tangent for sure. Especially when it's so little difference between the roles for most modern fullbacks. You get more coverage from CB and more space to run into (usually no winger in front of you), but essentially the skillset and task is the same for most fullbacks who have some basic attacking game.


Only exceptions are the defensive fullbacks who are more like 2nd/1st CBs (Thuram, Chiellini, Aspicueleta, Pavard, Kounde, Lucas Hernandez etc). Those won't be asked to do a wingback role. But most other fullbacks would be for sure.


It's just common sense to see. Like watch Chelsea, they allways play with wingback (or until pocchettino), Chilwell and Reece James are typical fullbacks who easily play wingbacks. The job itself is the same for them.


What's rare and absolete in todays game is strictly wide midfielders who can only play wingback in 352 or defensive balanced wide mids in 442 (they died out the same way Gary Neville type fullbacks died out, types who never attack, but arent defensive enough to play CB). Those types don't really exist anymore much, so fullbacks are given the wingback roles.

 

[Seven]

Weird tangent for sure. Especially when it's so little difference between the roles for most modern fullbacks. You get more coverage from CB and more space to run into (usually no winger in front of you), but essentially the skillset and task is the same for most fullbacks who have some basic attacking game.


Only exceptions are the defensive fullbacks who are more like 2nd/1st CBs (Thuram, Chiellini, Aspicueleta, Pavard, Kounde, Lucas Hernandez etc). Those won't be asked to do a wingback role. But most other fullbacks would be for sure.


It's just common sense to see. Like watch Chelsea, they allways play with wingback (or until pocchettino), Chilwell and Reece James are typical fullbacks who easily play wingbacks. The job itself is the same for them.


What's rare and absolete in todays game is strictly wide midfielders who can only play wingback in 352 or defensive balanced wide mids in 442 (they died out the same way Gary Neville type fullbacks died out, types who never attack, but arent defensive enough to play CB). Those types don't really exist anymore much, so fullbacks are given the wingback roles.

Good point about fullbacks who never attack dying out. Even in a 4-4-2 a fullback like that would be such a drain on a team's offensive play. Maybe it could work if you'd have a winger like prime Hazard or early Messi in front of them. Guys who have such massive offensive contributions they don't even think about defending. But even then at least the fullback would sometimes have to move into more offensive spaces just to allow them to do their thing.

 

[Robee]

I'm pretty sure you've not played a lot of football in your life. I'm also not sure it's relevant to the debate. I've played semi pro myself for a few years, but it doesn't necessarily make me an expert. I have mates who have never played, yet almost their entire life revolves around football.

In any case you're pretty full of yourself for someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.

A wingback usually has a little more licence to attack, while a fullback is more committed to his defensive duties. The differences are minimal at best though and it all depends on how the entire team line up. In a 3-5-2 any fullback is going to end up a bit more of a wingback, because there's just no space in the back and there are three CB's covering for him anyway. In a 4-4-2 any wingback will automatically perform more like a fullback, because there is less coverage behind him.

Ask any true out and out winger to play at wingback though and see how much they like it. That tells you it's just a slightly more offensive fullback.

Exactly this. Different position on paper, in reality only minor differences with the responsibilities also very dependent on the setup of the team; remember our lobsided formations with Barzagli on the right or Chiellini on the left, handing the other sided the freedom to push forward much more.

 

[Lion]

look at all the armchair football manager experts. everyone here gangsta setting up formation with a fullback acting as wingback and winning in videogames and suddenly they think they know tactics.

of course it's the usual suspects osman, seven, and robee. who would have guessed

 

[Scottish]

look at all the armchair football manager experts. everyone here gangsta setting up formation with a fullback acting as wingback and winning in videogames and suddenly they think they know tactics.

of course it's the usual suspects osman, seven, and robee. who would have guessed

What is your tactical

 

[Lion]

What is your tactical

my tactical formation is don't be in a position to watch juve matches. that way i win in life, not like you cucks

 

[Badass J Elkann]

look at all the armchair football manager experts. everyone here gangsta setting up formation with a fullback acting as wingback and winning in videogames and suddenly they think they know tactics.

of course it's the usual suspects osman, seven, and robee. who would have guessed

My favorite one is "I play semi pro so I know tactics"

 

[Seven]

My favorite one is "I play semi pro so I know tactics"

At this point it's probably best to just admit defeat and let us move on.

We all say silly stuff from time to time.

 

[Orgut]

FI - From Spain - Kessie prefers Tottenham to Juventus
What a coincidence as we prefer someone else as well (at least us fans)

 

[Espectro]

I hope Lukaku also prefers Tottenham…

 

[Badass J Elkann]

FI - From Spain - Kessie prefers Tottenham to Juventus
What a coincidence as we prefer someone else as well (at least us fans)

I mean we've really hit a new low for someone to prefer spurs yes a club that hasn't won a trophy for a generation to Juve

 

[Stevie]

I mean we've really hit a new low for someone to prefer spurs yes a club that hasn't won a trophy for a generation to Juve

The premier league clubs vs Serie A clubs isn't a contest anymore.

Serie A is dead and we are in a sad state. Eventually our great name will fade amongst the younger generation if we don't start to bounce back soon.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

The premier league clubs vs Serie A clubs isn't a contest anymore.

Serie A is dead and we are in a sad state. Eventually our great name will fade amongst the younger generation if we don't start to bounce back soon.

No we'll be making overpriced garments with our name on it targeting unfashionable minority groups.

 

[Orgut]

I mean we've really hit a new low for someone to prefer spurs yes a club that hasn't won a trophy for a generation to Juve

Well EPL has its appeal and is considered to be a tougher league nowadays. Level wise Juve still better than Tottenham but lets not forget that in EPL he can do 2 things:
1. Earn more money
2. He might have a really good season and then he will get an even bigger contract as once he thrives he will be bought by Man Utd or some other big EPL team.