Lukaku a̶n̶d̶ ̶K̶e̶s̶s̶i̶e̶ thread. (14 Viewers)
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I think we here quite often forget that Juve had their chance to nail the signings of both Haaland and Mbappe before they exploded. Instead we decided to sign random Italian forwards at that time.
What else we forget? There's no CL foodbal this year, our finances are shit and our image ultra shit. What top player can we sign upfront?
So I say bring in Lukaku. That's realistic at this point and not a bad signing at all.
What else we forget? There's no CL foodbal this year, our finances are shit and our image ultra shit. What top player can we sign upfront?
So I say bring in Lukaku. That's realistic at this point and not a bad signing at all.
We were linked to Mbappe when he was 16 at Monaco in 2016 and apparently they wanted €50m so we skipped on him. Apparently. So there was nothing concrete like that. You could say any team could have signed either him or Haaland and didn't. Think we went after Haaland in 2017 or 2018 when he was at Molde and he didn't want to be loaned out, he made the right choice with all his moves so can't blame him or Raiola. Would be unusual for a top club to give a 19 year old from the Norwegian league the keys to the attack, just how it is. At the same time we were buying Higuain for €90m.
I don't think we've signed any Italian forwards since Zaza un 2015.
I don't think we've signed any Italian forwards since Zaza un 2015.
Whilst I won't go as far as saying good riddance, if we are talking about Vlahovic leaving as a separate entity to Lukaku arriving then I'm not exactly going to lose any sleep over it.
But it doesn't seem like we are going to replace him with someone as good or potentially as good or better, or at least more suitable. Why a club in our financial position wants to sign an expensive 30 year old Lukaku (allegedly) is concerning.
But it doesn't seem like we are going to replace him with someone as good or potentially as good or better, or at least more suitable. Why a club in our financial position wants to sign an expensive 30 year old Lukaku (allegedly) is concerning.
Its separate matters. If its to sell him AND sign another top quality young CF, fine, reluctant for me because I want him to stay, but that's fine. If it was any other better equipped resources season I could see that scenario as doable
But we know that ain't happening in the scenario of this season, we seem only focused on Lukaku as replacement in cost cutting move.
And that's terrible move. Even if I believe Lukaku is much better then Tuz thinks he is, his age, salary and flawed type of game is huge red flags that we should avoid in a team filled with red flags (that needs to rebuild and go younger).
Honestly even if Giuntoli is more competent, when have we ever sold a younger/prime top player and be glad with the replacement? (Everyone seemed to disliked Dybala at end, but look what we done since we lost him, old Di Maria for a year).
Only thing that comes close to being happy with is Bremer with De Ligt (even then I still prefer De Ligt , despite us bye feliciaed him cuz he wanted to go badly). Otherwise almost allways we regret when we do shit like this.
But Juve fans are like hamsters who welcome getting rid of the few quality key young players we have.
I may be insane for suggesting it, but I much rather focus on getting rid of Allegri waaaaaaay before considering getting rid of Vlahovic.
I am sure we can do better then allegri for replacement. While I'm very skeptical We can replace Vlahovic with similar level and make profit as they aim to do. Just look at the market. Hojlund has a 9 goals season and going for 60-70m, just around what we would get for Vlaho.
Even more so in current non CL lack of appeal and funds state we are in. It becomes more important we keep the few key quality we have (him, Chiesa and Bremer).
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Not a big fan of Vlaho
but signing that mercenary is something else
Giuntoli
thinks that our prob will be solved on the hands of this fat dumb mercenary
what a great Manager we got
and what a great plan
but signing that mercenary is something else
Giuntoli
thinks that our prob will be solved on the hands of this fat dumb mercenary
what a great Manager we got
and what a great plan
I wouldn't say Dybala was either young or in his prime when we released him, which is one reason why, but yeah it's most likely going on our recent track record that we wouldn't replace Vlahovic with someone better. Someone more useful or suitable, perhaps.
Also I'm prepared to give "Cuntoli" more than a few weeks before I jump in with both feet and form such a refined opinion, he's got a track record of doing things the way many of us would like. But it's hard to change the mentality the club has formed overnight so his hardest task may be to move away from that, especially as he's already described himself as juventino.
I don't buy into this idea of Allegri holding a gun to his head, but this short-termism is endemic in the clubs philosophy over many years. Reality has to set in for the club that we can't operate like that with any success because we are financially not a big club on the European top table.
Also I'm prepared to give "Cuntoli" more than a few weeks before I jump in with both feet and form such a refined opinion, he's got a track record of doing things the way many of us would like. But it's hard to change the mentality the club has formed overnight so his hardest task may be to move away from that, especially as he's already described himself as juventino.
I don't buy into this idea of Allegri holding a gun to his head, but this short-termism is endemic in the clubs philosophy over many years. Reality has to set in for the club that we can't operate like that with any success because we are financially not a big club on the European top table.
I'm very much on team Giuntoli and will give him tons of time. But even if its still I truly doubt how much resources or power this team will give him. The short term mindset has been there despite 3 different DS in past 5 years or so. Its kind of a club mandate to go for quick fixes that bites you in the ass. And it will be a bad habit that take time to get out of.
I say power because if we truly had all the power would he want Allegri still here? (He inherited it). Would he accept the notion of Lukaku (if he is against it, as his track record suggest he would be). It doesn't have to be gun to the head, but simply board mandate or adapting to wishes and requests the coach the board kept.
But most importantly besides coach itself, can he truly work with this extremely limited budget or desperate need to get funds, and still build a good team, with this coach?
Its all too soon, but my only prediction is, if we think Giuntoli is the change we need down the line, that this season will entirely be about just surviving financially with bare minimums and focusing on the league CL qualification, while waiting for a window you can fire Allegri in (tell the board he gave it time) when the inevitable happens of same shit as previous 2 seasons.
So if we are realistically mainly just biding time for that until genuine change can come, then it's becomes even more important for me to NOT cripple the team any more then we have done. Meaning keep our very few key players.
And I didnt mean Dybala was young (27) or that much of his prime after the wear and tear of all those injuries. But it was another case of fans being gleefully just being too happy to get rid of him, and not consider how inexistent the replacement will be because of how this club operates.
And no matter what we think of Dybala (and I can agree with almost all the reason you all were for it), that has turned out to be true. We replaced him with a old ass Di Maria who performed for half a season then fvcked off. No other similar quality or that type of player being signed so far. The replacement part of losing a quality player is key to me, and it something some here forget too easy When they celebrate losing quality option within your team.
But it's no point re starting that. It's not about him. But about the organisations approach.
Truly nothing matters until we get rid of Allegri. So I'm just gonna patiently wait for that. Will take a full season again imo...
I say power because if we truly had all the power would he want Allegri still here? (He inherited it). Would he accept the notion of Lukaku (if he is against it, as his track record suggest he would be). It doesn't have to be gun to the head, but simply board mandate or adapting to wishes and requests the coach the board kept.
But most importantly besides coach itself, can he truly work with this extremely limited budget or desperate need to get funds, and still build a good team, with this coach?
Its all too soon, but my only prediction is, if we think Giuntoli is the change we need down the line, that this season will entirely be about just surviving financially with bare minimums and focusing on the league CL qualification, while waiting for a window you can fire Allegri in (tell the board he gave it time) when the inevitable happens of same shit as previous 2 seasons.
So if we are realistically mainly just biding time for that until genuine change can come, then it's becomes even more important for me to NOT cripple the team any more then we have done. Meaning keep our very few key players.
And I didnt mean Dybala was young (27) or that much of his prime after the wear and tear of all those injuries. But it was another case of fans being gleefully just being too happy to get rid of him, and not consider how inexistent the replacement will be because of how this club operates.
And no matter what we think of Dybala (and I can agree with almost all the reason you all were for it), that has turned out to be true. We replaced him with a old ass Di Maria who performed for half a season then fvcked off. No other similar quality or that type of player being signed so far. The replacement part of losing a quality player is key to me, and it something some here forget too easy When they celebrate losing quality option within your team.
But it's no point re starting that. It's not about him. But about the organisations approach.
Truly nothing matters until we get rid of Allegri. So I'm just gonna patiently wait for that. Will take a full season again imo...
Everything except Sandro being kicked out is realistic and a bare minimum mercato. Alen said it correct when he said this is shaping up to be the most depressing mercato since 2006.
But I think we should keep Miretti, we already have garbage depth for attacking mids, we aren't replacing Di Maria for some weird reason, and our midfield is injury prone. So we need to keep all the options more or less.
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