Lukaku a̶n̶d̶ ̶K̶e̶s̶s̶i̶e̶ thread. (26 Viewers)

[Osman]

Except some PL clubs asked for Kessie.
Barca just bought Romeu. Is it for Kessie or Busquet replacement ?

Romeu is a very defensive holding DM just to cover the defensive line. Nothing like Kessie.


But they signed Gundogan too who might make Kessie absolete in their ranks for rotation.

 

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[DanielSz]

the good thing about Kessie is he knows serie a, scores a lot of goals for his position, doesnt have an extensive injury history, and is under contract until he's 30. To be honest, I haven't watched him at Barca, but the guy I saw at Milan/Atalanta would be a nice player to have. Also, Rabiot is on a short term deal and Pogba is always hurt. Good insurance.

 

[PhRoZeN]

Toli should focus on reducing the payroll, integrate youth, line up gems for next summer.

Sounds about right, it's that time of the year, get them performance smart goals in.

As a director I will reduce the payroll by 10%, integrate the youth through learn Italian com and signing 2 u19 internationals by Q4.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

True but Napoli also never had Juve's budget, so the threat they'd be stealing Inter's top players wouldn't have been taken as seriously.

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who says hes fucking around? The lukaku stuff could just be to throw everyone off the scent of the real target. Straight from the Moggi playbook.

Like who? and it clearly didn't work and I don't even think that's his intention, like I said he has no time to fuck around playing games with inter when we have more pressing issues to solve

 

[DanielSz]

Like who? and it clearly didn't work and I don't even think that's his intention, like I said he has no time to fuck around playing games with inter when we have more pressing issues to solve

it clearly did work as Inter severed ties with him.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

it clearly did work as Inter severed ties with him.

Then thats what I mean about fucking around, Giuntoli hasn't got time to play these sort of games.

 

[s4tch]

...Kessie ... scores a lot of goals for his position...

6 seasons in serie a, 204 matches, ~17k minutes, 41 goals, 23 penalties.

non penalty goals: 18. one goal @ every 942 min

(for random references, rabiot in serie a: 713 minutes per non-penalty goals, sergej 378, marchisio 725, vidal 429, vidal for juve only 390)

 

[DanielSz]

6 seasons in serie a, 204 matches, ~17k minutes, 41 goals, 23 penalties.

non penalty goals: 18. one goal @ every 942 min

(for random references, rabiot in serie a: 713 minutes per non-penalty goals, sergej 378, marchisio 725, vidal 429, vidal for juve only 390)

in the last year he ranks in the 73rd percentile in non penalty goals, and in the 83rd percentile in non penalty xG, and those numbers are below his averages in serie A

 

[s4tch]

in the last year he ranks in the 73rd percentile in non penalty goals, and in the 83rd percentile in non penalty xG.

last season he scored
- one league goal (vs real),
- one in the cup (vs ceuta),
- one in the cl (vs plzen)

if that's enough for 73rd percentile then good for him. i wouldn't call him a goal scorer, the majority of his goals came as the penalty taker at milan when he scored like 10 penalties in one single season

 

[DanielSz]

last season he scored
- one league goal (vs real),
- one in the cup (vs ceuta),
- one in the cl (vs plzen)

if that's enough for 73rd percentile then good for him. i wouldn't call him a goal scorer, the majority of his goals came as the penalty taker at milan when he scored like 10 penalties in one single season

lol ok, lets break down everyones goals and who they were against. I'm sure Rabiot, SMS only scored against the best right?

The guy is well above average at scoring goals, and has been his entire career. This is a fact.

 

[s4tch]

lol ok, lets break down everyones goals and who they were against.

that's not the point. he scored 3 goals, of which 2 against vastly inferior opponents, yet stats portray him as an excellent goal scorer. being in the best 27% is excellent, still, the reality is that i looked up a few random guys and all of them had better stats for their serie a careers. and again, you were saying kessié scores a lot of goals, where the lot was THREE, so there's that too

but sorry to disturb you with facts, please go on about kessié and his excellent goal scoring record.

 

[DanielSz]

that's not the point. he scored 3 goals, of which 2 against vastly inferior opponents, yet stats portray him as an excellent goal scorer. being in the best 27% is excellent, still, the reality is that i looked up a few random guys and all of them had better stats for their serie a careers. and again, you were saying kessié scores a lot of goals, where the lot was THREE, so there's that too

but sorry to disturb you with facts, please go on about kessié and his excellent goal scoring record.

and you brought up Rabiot who scored more than half of his goals against maccabi Haifa, Empoli, and Sampdoria. Two can play this game of yours

 

[Osman]

Kessie is a good midfielder. Box to box and dynamic physical impact. Decent ball control, excellent tackles and sharp simple passing.


Bur he is not an attacking CM known for open play goals. It was clear those numbers were inflated because he took pks for Milan. Unusual type of player to take them. But he did well at them. Only shared duties with Ibra after he missed one time lol



You don't need him to score goals to appreciate what he brings to the table. He doesnt make that kind of runs into the box.

 

[DanielSz]

Kessie is a good midfielder. Box to box and dynamic physical impact. Decent ball control, excellent tackles and sharp simple passing.


Bur he is not an attacking CM known for open play goals. It was clear those numbers were inflated because he took pks for Milan. Unusual type of player to take them. But he did well at them. Only shared duties with Ibra after he missed one time lol



You don't need him to score goals to appreciate what he brings to the table. He doesnt make that kind of runs into the box.

explain him being in the 70/80th percentile in non penalty goals/expected non penalty goals then.

 

[Osman]

and you brought up Rabiot who scored more than half of his goals against maccabi Haifa, Empoli, and Sampdoria. Two can play this game of yours

He had 11 or 12 goals scored last season. This is a weird thing to argue about.

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explain him being in the 70/80th percentile in non penalty goals/expected non penalty goals then.

I have no idea about those advanced stat xg stuff really. I don't pay attention to them for football.

All I know is I watched his whole career so far, and unless it was the anomaly season he was taking pks, and scored 13 (10 pks), he has been around 3-7 goals a season player. That's not a player who tends to be that attacking. Which is fine he is a defensive all around CM who hustles well and decent in possession.


And s4tch told you what his goals per minutes are too. So I dont get what the confusion or argument is here.


Plus we don't need him to be scorer so why cling to this.

 

[Espectro]

Seems that Al Hilal is back for Lukaku...

If you know how to pray do it and if you dont begin to!

We need those arabs to take him so Allegri cant bring him here!!

 

[DanielSz]

Lukaku evidently has a 40M offer (per season) from Al Hilal.

 

[s4tch]

explain him being in the 70/80th percentile in non penalty goals/expected non penalty goals then.

he scored one league goal. what are you even arguing about.

 

[DanielSz]

he scored one league goal. what are you even arguing about.

those stats are for the last calendar year, so it includes goals he scored for Milan. And he wasn’t a starter at Barca and played significantly less, so hard to really evaluate the season he just had. Also dealt with injury.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Lukaku evidently has a 40M offer (per season) from Al Hilal.

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@DanielSz what is the source?