Luigi "Vergogna" Delneri (15 Viewers)
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I think we could only get a player of the Mata/Silva level if The club sells Diego. As we would need one great player to replace him. But if we did get one of those guys we could switch to a 442 and they would be good for Del Neri's tactics I suppose. Again, want to keep diego but if the mgmt think it is better for the team to go to a 442 then I just want a top player to replace him.
If we dont get Cassano I think Rossi would be great too in a 442.
Rossi/Cassano-----Iaquinta
Mata---Marchisio---Melo----????
If we dont get Cassano I think Rossi would be great too in a 442.
Rossi/Cassano-----Iaquinta
Mata---Marchisio---Melo----????
I think it's becoming fairly obvious that on being hired, Marotta himself must've seen what disarray the club and board are in. So in addition to the long list of players he'd have to start sourcing he obviously thought it best to start with a 'safety first' approach in the coaching department, seeing his relationship with Del Neri. Maybe the brief he has been given first up, is to have the team playing Champions League football again, before aiming for the scudetto. As much as I think Beppe to be a good appointment, I can't believe some of us here are settling for a decision like this as far as the coach is concerned. The move has 'deja vu' written all over it.
It's not going to be any better than Ranieri or Zach's time here. These people are not the kind who can control a dressing room of people used to winning. They need to be disciplined and their talent harnessed by commanding respect. Lippi, Hiddink, Capello, Ancelotti maybe tactically better or worse than a Del Neri or Zac, but they know how to earn the respect of their players and get the best of out them. And make them perform as a unit. Clearly Del Neri's too conditioned to having mid-table ambitions to inspire a Del Piero, Buffon, Chiellini or Diego on the pitch. We dont need a tactically superior coach. We need somebody who will crack the whip and allow players to understand their responsibility towards this shirt.
Based on his 25 years of experiencing more lows than highs at most clubs he's been at, Del Neri seems like he'd settle for the draw because over the years, his primary instinct has been to 'avoid' defeat and not go for the win. That's not what these guys need to learn right now.
I dont buy the nobody else is available argument at all. Mourinho has a contract with Inter that runs for a year or two more, but Madrid have managed to pocket him? They haven't won anything in a couple of years but they've still managed to get their man. Sure, they have a star studded line up as bait. But we're Juventus, we may not match them on paper, but our aspirations are never much different. The reason they've got their guy is not only the money, it's their single minded approach. We offered Benitez good money too, but we didnt stick at it, till we got him. Not debating whether he was the man for the job, only questioning the policies that are undoing the club gradually. Like i said earlier, from Hiddink to Zaccheroni, from Benitez to Prandelli to Del Neri? What kind of precedent are we setting up here? One of confusion, instability and more abject failure.
The world cup is over in July. Think of the coaches who could be available. I think, with the bigger picture in mind, it would be a much smaller price to pay to lose one 'precious' month to gel a team of newbies together and prepare to avoid embarrassment in Europa preliminaries than having an average coach take over the reins of the club for another two years. As for those available, for my money, (and Juve's) anyone of Benitiez (dont be surprised to see him at Inter), Prandelli (he may have sworn himself to Fiorentina, but that means nothing, remember Capello's switch from Roma to Juve? You just need certain assurances, which our incapable board in the past hasn't even clear about giving) Gasperini, Gentile, Pellegrini would clearly be more suitable alternatives to this current appointment.
I'm sorry, I'm not as optimistic as some of us here, as much as I love Juve, but we can't fool ourselves anymore. This club is setting itself up for some serious down time. The only silver lining I can see is, our immediate competition, Milan and Roma, aren't healthy enough to significantly widen the gap with us. Although Inter sure are.
I mean common guys, who are we fooling? Look at that guy celebrating fourth place!? Mourinho or Van Gaal won't celebrate so much if either of them won the treble. Let alone a Scudetto or Bundesliga title.
Please god, let there be light at the end of this four year tunnel. Forza Juve.
It's not going to be any better than Ranieri or Zach's time here. These people are not the kind who can control a dressing room of people used to winning. They need to be disciplined and their talent harnessed by commanding respect. Lippi, Hiddink, Capello, Ancelotti maybe tactically better or worse than a Del Neri or Zac, but they know how to earn the respect of their players and get the best of out them. And make them perform as a unit. Clearly Del Neri's too conditioned to having mid-table ambitions to inspire a Del Piero, Buffon, Chiellini or Diego on the pitch. We dont need a tactically superior coach. We need somebody who will crack the whip and allow players to understand their responsibility towards this shirt.
Based on his 25 years of experiencing more lows than highs at most clubs he's been at, Del Neri seems like he'd settle for the draw because over the years, his primary instinct has been to 'avoid' defeat and not go for the win. That's not what these guys need to learn right now.
I dont buy the nobody else is available argument at all. Mourinho has a contract with Inter that runs for a year or two more, but Madrid have managed to pocket him? They haven't won anything in a couple of years but they've still managed to get their man. Sure, they have a star studded line up as bait. But we're Juventus, we may not match them on paper, but our aspirations are never much different. The reason they've got their guy is not only the money, it's their single minded approach. We offered Benitez good money too, but we didnt stick at it, till we got him. Not debating whether he was the man for the job, only questioning the policies that are undoing the club gradually. Like i said earlier, from Hiddink to Zaccheroni, from Benitez to Prandelli to Del Neri? What kind of precedent are we setting up here? One of confusion, instability and more abject failure.
The world cup is over in July. Think of the coaches who could be available. I think, with the bigger picture in mind, it would be a much smaller price to pay to lose one 'precious' month to gel a team of newbies together and prepare to avoid embarrassment in Europa preliminaries than having an average coach take over the reins of the club for another two years. As for those available, for my money, (and Juve's) anyone of Benitiez (dont be surprised to see him at Inter), Prandelli (he may have sworn himself to Fiorentina, but that means nothing, remember Capello's switch from Roma to Juve? You just need certain assurances, which our incapable board in the past hasn't even clear about giving) Gasperini, Gentile, Pellegrini would clearly be more suitable alternatives to this current appointment.
I'm sorry, I'm not as optimistic as some of us here, as much as I love Juve, but we can't fool ourselves anymore. This club is setting itself up for some serious down time. The only silver lining I can see is, our immediate competition, Milan and Roma, aren't healthy enough to significantly widen the gap with us. Although Inter sure are.
I mean common guys, who are we fooling? Look at that guy celebrating fourth place!? Mourinho or Van Gaal won't celebrate so much if either of them won the treble. Let alone a Scudetto or Bundesliga title.
Please god, let there be light at the end of this four year tunnel. Forza Juve.
I mean common guys, who are we fooling? Look at that guy celebrating fourth place!? Mourinho or Van Gaal won't celebrate so much if either of them won the treble. Let alone a Scudetto or Bundesliga title.
Please god, let there be light at the end of this four year tunnel. Forza Juve.[/QUOTE]
its bloody sampdoria, they havent been in europe for 15 or so years, its a big deal for them. for them its like winning the scudetto
and mourinho is not the best person to compare someone to
Please god, let there be light at the end of this four year tunnel. Forza Juve.[/QUOTE]
its bloody sampdoria, they havent been in europe for 15 or so years, its a big deal for them. for them its like winning the scudetto
and mourinho is not the best person to compare someone to
Baggio might have a point here.
Teams managed
1985–1986 Opitergina
1986–1989 Pro Gorizia
1989–1990 Partinicaudace
1990–1991 Teramo
1991–1992 Ravenna
1992–1994 Novara
1994–1996 Nocerina
1996–1998 Ternana
1998 Empoli
1998–1999 Ternana
2000–2004 Chievo Verona
2004 FC Porto
2004–2005 AS Roma
2005–2006 Palermo
2006–2007 Chievo Verona
2007–2009 Atalanta
2009–2010 Sampdoria
His first big job we can say was Roma, and he didnt last the season (he left Porto before the season started, or got sacked, what ever, he said he felt homesick).
Look stats, his 60 in autumn, 60 years old. Ranieri is 58. Lippi is 62.
This is a sort of time where one should already have established himself. But this was the best result for Del Neri. And he has been coaching for years.
Mourinho isnt even 50th yet.
It might just be that these results what Del Neri has produced in recent years, are the best what he can do.
And like i mentioned before, in some ways Samp might have just been a match made in heaven. His maybe right to leave, cause 4th spot is the best what a team like Samp can get probably ever. So Del Neri can look for new plans, but much like Ranieri, its more so for him about the opportunity, compare to managers like Mourinho or Capello who take the job to win things.
Obviously Juve needs a lot to do still, invest to the team, get the right players, but i just dont think Del Neri is a long term plan.
At least someone like Prandelli is growing as the time goes on, from Parma, to Fiorentina, making Fiorentina a CL side etc...
Teams managed
1985–1986 Opitergina
1986–1989 Pro Gorizia
1989–1990 Partinicaudace
1990–1991 Teramo
1991–1992 Ravenna
1992–1994 Novara
1994–1996 Nocerina
1996–1998 Ternana
1998 Empoli
1998–1999 Ternana
2000–2004 Chievo Verona
2004 FC Porto
2004–2005 AS Roma
2005–2006 Palermo
2006–2007 Chievo Verona
2007–2009 Atalanta
2009–2010 Sampdoria
His first big job we can say was Roma, and he didnt last the season (he left Porto before the season started, or got sacked, what ever, he said he felt homesick).
Look stats, his 60 in autumn, 60 years old. Ranieri is 58. Lippi is 62.
This is a sort of time where one should already have established himself. But this was the best result for Del Neri. And he has been coaching for years.
Mourinho isnt even 50th yet.
It might just be that these results what Del Neri has produced in recent years, are the best what he can do.
And like i mentioned before, in some ways Samp might have just been a match made in heaven. His maybe right to leave, cause 4th spot is the best what a team like Samp can get probably ever. So Del Neri can look for new plans, but much like Ranieri, its more so for him about the opportunity, compare to managers like Mourinho or Capello who take the job to win things.
Obviously Juve needs a lot to do still, invest to the team, get the right players, but i just dont think Del Neri is a long term plan.
At least someone like Prandelli is growing as the time goes on, from Parma, to Fiorentina, making Fiorentina a CL side etc...
I guess if we improve the squad, especially buying to weaken rivals like Samp and Palermo, we get that top 4 finish, but Del Neri doesnt really seem a manager who would do well in europe. So therefore....isnt really a long term solution.
I am trying to stay optimistic, for next season, surely we can do better the next season. But when i look long term...we should look for something different.
The Juve board has been talking about projects for years now...for all the talk, do they actually have a long term project worked out? Do they actually think for next 3-4 years ahead. How to make Juve again a team who can win scudetto and be a strong force in europe.
Obviously, we have our setbacks, need to improve the squad, but dont have the funds to buy a superstar to every position, and in the current situation superstars wont join us. But i see that Juve is loosing its big name, in the big picture.
I truly hope Del Neri comes good. Maybe Marrotta surprises us all and they manage to buy players who can be built to a side who can challenge for the scudetto. But i have my doubts.
I would be more optimistic if we went for Prandelli. There i see a manager who is still improving getting better...etc etc...Del Neri should already establish himself by his age.
And another point...Mourinho is leaving...Inter is already looking for a new manager, and names like Capello, Prandelli and Benitez have been mentioned.
2 out of 3, we were linked...we arent what we used to be...
I am trying to stay optimistic, for next season, surely we can do better the next season. But when i look long term...we should look for something different.
The Juve board has been talking about projects for years now...for all the talk, do they actually have a long term project worked out? Do they actually think for next 3-4 years ahead. How to make Juve again a team who can win scudetto and be a strong force in europe.
Obviously, we have our setbacks, need to improve the squad, but dont have the funds to buy a superstar to every position, and in the current situation superstars wont join us. But i see that Juve is loosing its big name, in the big picture.
I truly hope Del Neri comes good. Maybe Marrotta surprises us all and they manage to buy players who can be built to a side who can challenge for the scudetto. But i have my doubts.
I would be more optimistic if we went for Prandelli. There i see a manager who is still improving getting better...etc etc...Del Neri should already establish himself by his age.
And another point...Mourinho is leaving...Inter is already looking for a new manager, and names like Capello, Prandelli and Benitez have been mentioned.
2 out of 3, we were linked...we arent what we used to be...
I think he had a different path to the people we are comparing him with. Some coaches are good players and get big jobs quick (Ancelotti), or in Mourinho's case are second to a big name coach and get experience that way. Del Neri spent alot of time working his way up with really small teams. He never really had a chance to win titles as this is going to be his first big Job. I dont count his Roma stint for much as they were not going to win the title in that time and Porto he never got a fair shake.
It is not like all coaches start on an even playing field and then u can measure where they end up. Del Neri took a while to reach where he is now but we can only evaluate him once we see what he does here.
It is not like all coaches start on an even playing field and then u can measure where they end up. Del Neri took a while to reach where he is now but we can only evaluate him once we see what he does here.
Hold your horses man. There are several things you write that we just don't know yet.
You do not know how he handles egos, bc you have not seen it yet. Well in fact he has handled a bigger ego than any of ours, namely Cassano. More of a potential troublemaker is hard to find.
Do you know what kind of respect, what kind of man management he did at Samp. For all I know he might have run a tight ship.
He might have coached lower clubs, but how does that for sure transfer into a non-winning mentality. I guess your reasoning is fair, but I think it is conditional in the 11 players you have on the field. You might be right, but you cannot know that, and therefore it is bs. Give him a fair chance. L
I think Beppes reasoning is, that we need a manager and a board that communicates. That we for sure have now. I am definetly not thrilled about Del Neri, but I am happy that we will have a direction in the transfer market that both coach and DS agrees in. This is a clear improvement from the last 4 years, where Secco repeatedly has bought someone the coach did not want. (Almiron with DD and Melo with CF).
You do not know how he handles egos, bc you have not seen it yet. Well in fact he has handled a bigger ego than any of ours, namely Cassano. More of a potential troublemaker is hard to find.
Do you know what kind of respect, what kind of man management he did at Samp. For all I know he might have run a tight ship.
He might have coached lower clubs, but how does that for sure transfer into a non-winning mentality. I guess your reasoning is fair, but I think it is conditional in the 11 players you have on the field. You might be right, but you cannot know that, and therefore it is bs. Give him a fair chance. L
I think Beppes reasoning is, that we need a manager and a board that communicates. That we for sure have now. I am definetly not thrilled about Del Neri, but I am happy that we will have a direction in the transfer market that both coach and DS agrees in. This is a clear improvement from the last 4 years, where Secco repeatedly has bought someone the coach did not want. (Almiron with DD and Melo with CF).