London blasts cause chaos on Tube (14 Viewers)

[Elnur_E65]

I really wonder howcome Iraq/London terrorist attacks is the most discussed topic here, month after month after month.

Many people DIE EVERY DAY in different parts of the world. Suicide bombings happen in Israel all the time. Chechnya and Kashmire have been torn by war for years. And the death toll in some places is tenfold compared to what it was in Iraq.

But nobody discusses that!

All you guys wanna talk about is either how bad the US is, or how bad the Islamic Terrorists are!

 

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[Lawnchair Bes]

++ [ originally posted by Elnur_E65 ] ++
I really wonder howcome Iraq/London terrorist attacks is the most discussed topic here, month after month after month.

Many people DIE EVERY DAY in different parts of the world. Suicide bombings happen in Israel all the time. Chechnya and Kashmire have been torn by war for years. And the death toll in some places is tenfold compared to what it was in Iraq.

But nobody discusses that!

All you guys wanna talk about is either how bad the US is, or how bad the Islamic Terrorists are!

you wanna know why these are SO discussed. because some guy there in north america/ western europe has to think twice before going in the subway. you think a few hundred people killed in africa are gonna make anyone think twice before using public transit ?

 

[Elnur_E65]

++ [ originally posted by Don Bes ] ++

you wanna know why these are SO discussed. because some guy there in north america/ western europe has to think twice before going in the subway. you think a few hundred people killed in africa are gonna make anyone think twice before using public transit ?

Are you kidding me?

NOBODY thinks twice before going into the subway. Life goes on.

People in the West are learning how to coexist with terrorism on our footsteps.

Otherwise nobody would fly airplanes and nobody would use public transportation.

 

[Respaul]

++ [ originally posted by madlawyer1 ] ++
1. The police were not in uniform, and there were five of them.

So what... dont see what your getting at here

It's a rough neighbourhood.

Have you ever been to Tulse hill ? Its not a rough neighbourhood at all... its a poor area, but saying its rough is a massive stretch

You're a foreigner,

Again... so what... the majority that live in that area are either foreign or of foreign descent

in the tense climate currently pervading London,

Another falacy... Go to london today ... its the same as ever

and five white men in street clothes tell you to stop, you'd better run for your life. For all the poor man knew, these were some skinhead types looking to gain some revenge on a foreigner. He ran rather than get his ass beat up by some hoods, and he got killed for it.

Because local hoods normally draw guns, show warrant cards and shout STOP POLICE... get a grip!!

If a police man shouts stop police, shows his warrant card and draws his weapon... You stop or the innevitable happens... Nothing happened which couldnt have been avoided by this man doing what he was told

2. The police had caught up with him, and he was on the floor of the train looking very frightened, and one put five bullets in his head. What for?

Police watch a suspicious looking man come from a building they are watching in connection with terrorist goings on...

They shout stop police, display warrant cards, draw their weapons... the man takes off...

Of course they give chase believing that he must be one of those that they were looking for when seeing him leave a place where known suspects reside and taking off when confronted...

He jumps the barrier at a station and boards a train...

The chase of a suspected terrorist is now in a public place... has he got a bomb under that out of place long jacket ?? They dont know and as such they cannot risk this man being allowed even the slightest chance... He must be stopped and as such shots to the head are the only gauranteed stopper... They shoot the man dead...

They were given no other alternative... It had to be done...

End of the day its a shame... but if he hadnt fled when ordered to stop by police... it wouldnt have happened...

What if they hadnt of shot him on the train and he was indeed the terrorist they suspected him of being and did indeed have a bomb under that suspicious long jacket on a sweltering day.... Oh yes a packed carriage load of people are blown to pieces..... Sorry but we cant takje the risk...
They had reason to suspect and had to act accordingly...

Nothing was done wrong here by our police

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

but still, you got admit that terrorism affects everybody a lot more than "regional conficts"

 

[Bjerknes]

I agree with Shadowfax. As I stated earlier you cannot blame the police for doing their job in these trying times.

 

[Mr. Gol]

++ [ originally posted by Don Bes ] ++
but still, you got admit that terrorism affects everybody a lot more than "regional conficts"

That because we don't understand their motivation. Who is desperate enough to blow himself up and take 70 innocent people with him?

 

[Tom]

++ [ originally posted by Mr. Gol ] ++
That because we don't understand their motivation. Who is desperate enough to blow himself up and take 70 innocent people with him?

I'd like to think this applies to only people that have been brainwashed into carrying out these evil acts.. but having said that I think you have to be fairly bitter and twisted to begin with to even contemplate carrying out such an atrocity.

 

[Kaiser Franco]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


I understand they have other underlying reasons for killing innocent people, most if not all of which are extremely unfair, however looking at this situation the main purpose of putting a bomb on a bus is to KILL PEOPLE. If you cannot see the difference between that and military forces engaging the armed, ready-to-fire enemy who threatens the lives of soldiers and civilians alike, then I don't know what's wrong with you.

Well, here’s what’s wrong with me I think.

I have actually set a foot outside my country. And no : a school trip to Canada doesn’t qualify as having been abroad. I’ve lived extensively in foreign countries and learned about other cultures, still am to this day and hopefully always will be. There are some that I like and others I like less, but that’s beside the point.

I don’t get an erection when my national anthem is being played or my flag is raised. Ok maybe a little quivering when it's a football game. And when an Italian wins the marathon at the Olympics, or the Tour de France. But that's pretty much it. I am not "proud" to be Italian : merely content.

I don’t refer to the troops that are in Iraq as "America and England". Hell, England isn't even a country. I refer to them as "the coalition", as there happens to be quite a few other nations involved in this quagmire, including mine.

I practice a different form of manicheism than yours : basically I have equal hate and contempt for the Islamo-fascists in Bagdad and for the Christist fundies in Washington.

I heavily and thoroughly criticize my government for the things it does wrong : I don’t just state "no one is saying we’ve not been wrong sometimes" and then move on to the next argument.

Not only am I capable of saying "sorry", I actually even mean it. And when my country finally does something right, I don’t rub it into everyone’s face to remind them how much they owe me, because 1) they probably owe me a lot less than I would conveniently like to believe 2) doing good should be the norm, not the exception, so no need to point it out. In a word, I am not a bad winner, except after Milan-Inter.

Finally, I don’t feel the need to label someone a terrorist apologist (or in my case, say, a freedom-enforcing jingoistic warmonger) to try and get my point across.

I am not anti-American, I am pro-human race. Yeah that’s pretty much what’s wrong with me.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++


Well, here’s what’s wrong with me I think.

I have actually set a foot outside my country. And no : a school trip to Canada doesn’t qualify as having been abroad. I’ve lived extensively in foreign countries and learned about other cultures, still am to this day and hopefully always will be. There are some that I like and others I like less, but that’s beside the point.

Being only a humble teenager and not having millions of dollars available to fund trips to every continent on planet Earth, I have not really been able to take that wonderful little trip to the places I would love to visit. I am certainly at fault for this and I should be criticised to the utmost extent for my inability to travel frequently abroad.

Oh, does a trip to Mexico count?

I don’t get an erection when my national anthem is being played or my flag is raised. Ok maybe a little quivering when it's a football game. And when an Italian wins the marathon at the Olympics, or the Tour de France. But that's pretty much it. I am not "proud" to be Italian : merely content.

Oh, well thank God you don't get an erection like that. I don't think the "misses" would like that very much.

I don’t refer to the troops that are in Iraq as "America and England". Hell, England isn't even a country. I refer to them as "the coalition", as there happens to be quite a few other nations involved in this quagmire, including mine.

Erm, that is correct.

I practice a different form of manicheism than yours : basically I have equal hate and contempt for the Islamo-fascists in Bagdad and for the Christist fundies in Washington.

Well, that is fair I suppose. I only hate Islamic Fundelmentalists because they use their religion, which is certainly a man-loving religion, to back the hate they have for western cultures and to use it for recruiting unsuspecting followers who believe in "Jihad." Those people point their gun at innocent civilians, unlike those of certain countries who point their gun at those who point back.

I heavily and thoroughly criticize my government for the things it does wrong : I don’t just state "no one is saying we’ve not been wrong sometimes" and then move on to the next argument.

I heavily criticize my goverment as well, only with my fellow American peers and advocates of certain political party beliefs.

Not only am I capable of saying "sorry", I actually even mean it. And when my country finally does something right, I don’t rub it into everyone’s face to remind them how much they owe me, because 1) they probably owe me a lot less than I would conveniently like to believe 2) doing good should be the norm, not the exception, so no need to point it out. In a word, I am not a bad winner, except after Milan-Inter.

Have you ever seen me cheering for something good we have done? Have you ever seen me defending my country's decision to invade Iraq? I think not, so find something else Mr. "Human Race" Lover.

Finally, I don’t feel the need to label someone a terrorist apologist (or in my case, say, a freedom-enforcing jingoistic warmonger) to try and get my point across.

Sure, perhaps I am one of those. However, I am not for the War on Iraq and I am not one of Bush's supporters. But when it comes down to it, if it was America vs. the rest of the world, I think you know what side I would take. Shoot me, bomb me, do whatever you want to me because I support my troops but not always my goverment...actually I doubt Europeans even understand that concept.

And while all of this was very meaningful, you still did not answer the point I raised about terrorist organiztions and specific goverments.

 

[Torkel]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
(...)and I am not one of Bush's supporters.

On the side of the discussion here, but during the election I remember you as a huge Bush supporter, has that changed and why?

 

[K10]

I wish I could see the face on the terrorist after he has blown himself up and realised that his God did not exist and it was all bullsh*t.

 

[swag]

"Hey, where's my friggin' 72 virgins?!?! I was promised 72 friggin' virgins, dammit! And I don't even get an inflatable Paula Abdul love doll... what gives! :wth:"

 

[Chxta]

++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++
In a word, I am not a bad winner, except after Milan-Inter.

In one sentence, you have highlighted the cause of the entire problem with the world today! You are a brilliant man!

 

[Vinman]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



And got your PhD on Islam where exactly?

the same place you got yours...


out of the cereal box

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Torkel ] ++

On the side of the discussion here, but during the election I remember you as a huge Bush supporter, has that changed and why?

Actually no, during the election I was "against" Bush for lack of a better word, and I did eventually vote for John Kerry. I am not a part of any particular party because I find those people as blind givers of support to their own party no matter what; I support and disagree with different issues from both sides.

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++


I'd like to think this applies to only people that have been brainwashed into carrying out these evil acts.. but having said that I think you have to be fairly bitter and twisted to begin with to even contemplate carrying out such an atrocity.

I strongly believe there is nothing any man would not do under the right circumstances.

A terrorist, murderer, criminal is inside all of us, the only difference between us is how much it takes for the design flaws in our character to surface.

Any one of us could become a terrorist, and that exactly is what makes terrorism so unpredictable and dangerous, and unstoppable by force and violence.

 

[Chxta]

Now the voice of reason begins to emerge in this thread!

 

[Tom]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
I strongly believe there is nothing any man would not do under the right circumstances.

A terrorist, murderer, criminal is inside all of us, the only difference between us is how much it takes for the design flaws in our character to surface.

Any one of us could become a terrorist, and that exactly is what makes terrorism so unpredictable and dangerous, and unstoppable by force and violence.

Well I can say here and now that I would never blow up myself and other innocent people, but I can see what you're getting at.

If killing people was justified and I had enough reason and motivation to do so then yeah, I'd do it, but where's the justification for the London bombings because tbh I can't see it.

 

[Zlatan]

Thats not the point at all, as the reasons are different for everyone. Maybe you and I don't see the reasons, but the suicide bombers probably did.