London blasts cause chaos on Tube (6 Viewers)

[madlawyer1]

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++
If we left the country now, there would probably be a massive civil war and most of the population would be wiped out. In fact probably the biggest humanitarian disaster for many years, if ever would ensue. The people that are wanting us to leave don't seem to be getting the bigger picture. We don't want to be there any more than you lot want us there but at the end of the day we're going nowhere until the country is stable - which at present with no authority of government, no real law/constitution or what have you.. its not going to be any time soon!

In case you hadn't noticed, there would be no risk of civil war if you ninnys hadn't invaded the country in the first place. Saddam, brutal though he was, kept his country intact by using the only methods available to him.

And to borrow a lesson from history, the cost of keeping a standing occupation army in one place for an extended period of time soon outweighs any percieved benefits.

 

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[Respaul]

++ [ originally posted by Emma ] ++
Shadowfax, your telling me alot of soldiers arent in hog heaven in war? Your telling me many many iraqis are beaten shitless, killed and insulted for being an iraqi?

I wouldnt know, but I would imagine. The Brits and Americans are far from innocent.

No, of course some of the soldiers absolutely love it... But the fact remains they are there because they are told to be... they are there carrying out orders... doing their duty... for some people here to say that they are the same as the terrorists is a fvcking joke in the extreme... An unbelievable level of ignorance...

As i said... to compare bush / blair to these people is one thing but to claim soldiers doing their job are akin to terrorists...

 

[Chxta]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++


Maybe in yours chxta... but in the british army.. you refuse an order.. you will be court marshalled... you sign up, you do what you are told!

Same in the Nigeria Army. But they let us know... and then punish us for 'following our consciences'! The irony of the uniform...

 

[Tom]

++ [ originally posted by Chxta ] ++
@ Tom, sure there'd be a massive civil war if you left now. And the blame is yours, because you removed the one force that knew how to keep the oppossing forces in the region very quiet!

sure.. by having them all shot and electrocuted.. etc. It was surely for the good of the world having him in power!

 

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++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++


And if you think what the US gov't did to originally put Saddam in power and support him was a joke, that's nothing compared to the completely f%#@ed up sh*t the CIA did in Central America over the last several decades.

Careful, Swag.. they might have bugged your PC..

 

[Tom]

++ [ originally posted by madlawyer1 ] ++
And to borrow a lesson from history, the cost of keeping a standing occupation army in one place for an extended period of time soon outweighs any percieved benefits.

Well, we're not in it for the money.. apparently all we want is oil.

 

[madlawyer1]

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++


Well, we're not in it for the money.. apparently all we want is oil.

Oil=money

 

[Tom]

oil, beautiful crude oil :excited:

Actually your point that the cost of keeping the army there outweighs the benefits surely contradicts that whole theory!

 

[Chxta]

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++


sure.. by having them all shot and electrocuted.. etc. It was surely for the good of the world having him in power!

Actually, when you consider Afghanistan a few kilometres East, and Israel/Palestine a few kilometres West, yes it was for the good of the world having him there...

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++


Well, we're not in it for the money.. apparently all we want is oil.

Oil=Money in modern economics...

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++

No, of course some of the soldiers absolutely love it... But the fact remains they are there because they are told to be... they are there carrying out orders... doing their duty... for some people here to say that they are the same as the terrorists is a fvcking joke in the extreme... An unbelievable level of ignorance...

As i said... to compare bush / blair to these people is one thing but to claim soldiers doing their job are akin to terrorists...

Why is it that when people don't agree with you they are ignorant?

 

[madlawyer1]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++


No, of course some of the soldiers absolutely love it... But the fact remains they are there because they are told to be... they are there carrying out orders... doing their duty... for some people here to say that they are the same as the terrorists is a fvcking joke in the extreme... An unbelievable level of ignorance...

As i said... to compare bush / blair to these people is one thing but to claim soldiers doing their job are akin to terrorists...

Goering and Geobbels claimed all they did was follow Hitler's orders, but the War Crimes Tribunal hung 'em anyway. Hence the rule: If you follow orders that go against your conscience, you're every bit as guilty as your commanding officer.

 

[Chxta]

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++
oil, beautiful crude oil :excited:

Actually your point that the cost of keeping the army there outweighs the benefits surely contradicts that whole theory!

In the long term, yes, the cost will outweigh the benefits...

 

[Tom]

++ [ originally posted by Chxta ] ++
Actually, when you consider Afghanistan a few kilometres East, and Israel/Palestine a few kilometres West, yes it was for the good of the world having him there...

Oil=Money in modern economics...

1. Having Saddam Hussein in power was for the good of the world! You just said it.. are you quite sane in the head? Saddam.. GOOD FOR THE WORLD?!

2. I know oil = money you both missed the point

 

[Tom]

++ [ originally posted by Chxta ] ++

In the long term, yes, the cost will outweigh the benefits...

So why the fvck are we still there then if all we want is oil?? Whoops bang goes that theory

 

[madlawyer1]

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++
1. Having Saddam Hussein in power was for the good of the world! You just said it.. are you quite sane in the head? Saddam.. GOOD FOR THE WORLD?!

2. I know oil = money you both missed the point

I didn't hear the Turks who happen to have a very large Kurdish population thanking the Americans for removing the one person who kept the agitations under control.

Oil runs out, eventually, and should the technological breakthrough that ends our dependence on fossil fuels come in a year or two, then George W. and Tony are going to look like two very great fools. Though how they can look bigger fools than they already do is beyond me.

 

[Chxta]

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++


1. Having Saddam Hussein in power was for the good of the world! You just said it.. are you quite sane in the head? Saddam.. GOOD FOR THE WORLD?!

2. I know oil = money you both missed the point

Yup, the London 55 won't be dead were Saddam still there... but then that is conjecture...

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++


So why the fvck are we still there then if all we want is oil?? Whoops bang goes that theory

Cos u can't just pull out. It'd be a disgrace!

 

[madlawyer1]

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++
So why the fvck are we still there then if all we want is oil?? Whoops bang goes that theory

You're still there because George W. and Tony are a pair of myopic cyclops.

 

[Tom]

Chx, there's no proven direct link between the Iraq war and the london bombings AFAIK, terrorism has been rife amongst radical young muslims for a while now, certainly before the Iraq invasion (see 9/11 for example) so I don't really think its right to say they'd be alive if Saddam were in power.

 

[Emma]

Should have just did it like this:

Blair "We need oil. The natural resources thing is a load of bollocks. We are invading Iraq"

Population "cool. How many miles will I get to the gallon?"

 

[Chxta]

Once again you use the word terrorism... These are tactics that were invented by the West and probably perfected by the Japs. Then taken to a new level by the Palestinians...

 

[Chxta]

++ [ originally posted by Emma ] ++
Should have just did it like this:

Blair "We need oil. The natural resources thing is a load of bollocks. We are invading Iraq"

Population "cool. How many miles will I get to the gallon?"