London blasts cause chaos on Tube (3 Viewers)

[Tom]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
Thats not the point at all, as the reasons are different for everyone. Maybe you and I don't see the reasons, but the suicide bombers probably did.

Well how the hell those bombers felt their actions were justified is beyond me. What can these people have possibly done to deserve what they got?

Even a fanatical terrorist would struggle to come up with an argument there.

 

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[Chxta]

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++


Well I can say here and now that I would never blow up myself and other innocent people, but I can see what you're getting at.

If killing people was justified and I had enough reason and motivation to do so then yeah, I'd do it, but where's the justification for the London bombings because tbh I can't see it.

Trust me dearie, if conditions were right, you would!

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
Thats not the point at all, as the reasons are different for everyone. Maybe you and I don't see the reasons, but the suicide bombers probably did.

Weren't these bombers living their "normal lives" just as anybody else? I mean they went on an exciting white water rafting trip just a few weeks before the bombings...what would posess these idiots to take their own lives like that when they clearly had no reason to do so?

 

[Tom]

++ [ originally posted by Chxta ] ++
Trust me dearie, if conditions were right, you would!

And you'd know that for a fact would you? I would never commit suicide in a million years - I've never even given it thought and never will.

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++


Well how the hell those bombers felt their actions were justified is beyond me. What can these people have possibly done to deserve what they got?

Even a fanatical terrorist would struggle to come up with an argument there.

Did Iraqi children killed by US boms deserve what they got? Did 8000 men in Srebrenica deserve what they got? Did the 250.000 casualties of the tsunami deserve what they got? They didn't deserve what they got means nothing in todays world.

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Weren't these bombers living their "normal lives" just as anybody else? I mean they went on an exciting white water rafting trip just a few weeks before the bombings...what would posess these idiots to take their own lives like that when they clearly had no reason to do so?

Who are you to say they didnt have the reasons? You can say whether you think they're valid or not, but you can't say they had no reasons, beecause they clearly had, otherwie they wouldnt have done what they did. You might not agree with them or find them valid, but they had their reasons.

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++


And you'd know that for a fact would you? I would never commit suicide in a million years - I've never even given it thought and never will.

I'm not saying you would, but I will say you're dismissing it too easily. Maybe you havent given it a thought so far, but you can't with certanty say you never will, as you dont know what awaits you in your life, and it's only a set of circumstances that needs to change for you to see the world in a different light.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++

Who are you to say they didnt have the reasons? You can say whether you think they're valid or not, but you can't say they had no reasons, beecause they clearly had, otherwie they wouldnt have done what they did. You might not agree with them or find them valid, but they had their reasons.

I'm sorry but looking at their rafting trip, having fun with friends, living in a culturally diverse city named London, I really don't see what was so wrong with their lives to commit suicide. They might have had their own idiotic reasons, however to end your life for something so ridiculous as a nonexistent holy war is just beyond me. But right, we will never know what goes through these people's heads.

 

[Zlatan]

Thing is, something that is ridiculous to you might be of crucial importance for someone else. Thats what you, and IMO America in general, refuses to accept and realise, and thats why you have the world image that you do.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
Thing is, something that is ridiculous to you might be of crucial importance for someone else. Thats what you, and IMO America in general, refuses to accept and realise, and thats why you have the world image that you do.

Yes, I realize that. However I just find something fishy about taking your own life and killing many people in the process. Don't these people want to live, or are their views so messed up they don't know what they're even doing?

And the comment above really doesn't mean anything. People will always do things that benefit them, just like the whole war on terror is of crucial importance to US even though not entirely supported by the rest of the world.

 

[Chxta]

How crucial is it really when the targets (Iraq as an example, then Iran next?) are improperly defined?

 

[Zlatan]

Syria more likely IMO, Iran is too tough, very decently equiped and has a lot of soldiers.

 

[#10]

iranian people in general dont give a shit about the extreme muslims beliefs, or problems with tthe west, they jus wanna live the normal life..

The islamic extremeist who are seen on tv give that peacefull nation the bad name, jus as english football thugs give england a bad name and thick ignorant americans give the USA a bad name.

None of the mentioned countries are full of their stereotypes, its jus the media provide the picture in which we see and it is often tainted.

 

[Vinman]

Zlatan, I hope your as upset at innocent ppl working in Iraq being be-hedded by these retards as you are by the Iraqi childern dying (which were there to help btw....you think the suicide bombers in Iraq give a rats ass about children dying ???)

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++
Zlatan, I hope your as upset at innocent ppl working in Iraq being be-hedded by these retards as you are by the Iraqi childern dying (which were there to help btw....you think the suicide bombers in Iraq give a rats ass about children dying ???)

Whether you're there to help or not or whether the sucide bombers care about thi children or not is irrelevant. Fact is that both the suicide bombers and US amry do the same thing, kill innocent people.



BTW John, I agree with you. Saddams regime was, at least religion wise, one of the most moderate in the middle east. Women had the same rights like men, unlike the US' ally Saudi Arabia, they had excellent education and health care. There was very little extremism, and absolutely no connections to Osama bin Laden.

 

[JCK]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
Syria more likely IMO, Iran is too tough, very decently equiped and has a lot of soldiers.

Iran is ready to support Syria anytime after they have supported Hizbolla in Lebanon.

 

[#10]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++

BTW John, I agree with you. Saddams regime was, at least religion wise, one of the most moderate in the middle east. Women had the same rights like men, unlike the US' ally Saudi Arabia, they had excellent education and health care. There was very little extremism, and absolutely no connections to Osama bin Laden.

i do kinda agree, but i was talking about iran not iraq

 

[Elnur_E65]

I recall one of "Da Ali G" episodes, when he is interveiwing James Baker, and asks him a question:

- Is there a difference between Iran and Iraq?
- Yes, big difference, it's two different coutries
- But why do they have similar names? Do you think it's a problem?
- These two names are totally different, and no, there can be no problem
- What if an airplane pilot is told "BOMB IRAQ", but he doesn't hear the instructions properly, and accidently flies over Iran and bombs the crap out of it?
- This kind of thing will never happen. Interview is over. This guy is an idiot!

 

[#10]

++ [ originally posted by Elnur_E65 ] ++
I recall one of "Da Ali G" episodes, when he is interveiwing James Baker, and asks him a question:

- Is there a difference between Iran and Iraq?
- Yes, big difference, it's two different coutries
- But why do they have similar names? Do you think it's a problem?
- These two names are totally different, and no, there can be no problem
- What if an airplane pilot is told "BOMB IRAQ", but he doesn't hear the instructions properly, and accidently flies over Iran and bombs the crap out of it?
- This kind of thing will never happen. Interview is over. This guy is an idiot!

lol iran is jus a modern western name for the place....really its persia

 

[Elnur_E65]

++ [ originally posted by John #10 ] ++


lol iran is jus a modern western name for the place....really its persia

I know, bro...

I come from a country right next to it

 

[#10]

++ [ originally posted by Elnur_E65 ] ++


I know, bro...

I come from a country right next to it

so u do ambre ....aint ignorance a pain in the arse

 

[- vOnAm -]

++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++


Bullshit !!!

Its all about killing the infidels, as they preach every day of their lives

If you are not a fundalmentalist muslim, you ARE the infidel

They believe killing as many "infidels" as possible guarantees them the perfect afterlife, 77 virgins and all

NOt Amusing, honestly, you would think such a thing? Ignorance, you have too much of it. I know how these people would think, and they go for broke because they feel cornered. Yes, perhaps many were also mislead into thinking these actions might bring happiness in the afterlife.

FYI, Islam condemns suicide, there is perhaps no sin greater than suicide, thus to be confident that killing themselves is "Sacrifice" rather than " Suicide" is what these people need to confirm before they execute, and confirming such actions require proper reasoning (atleast to the person).

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++

Wow, another person who does not understand the concept of killing armed gunmen and innocent civilians. Another terrorist apologist.

And nobody is saying the US is entirely innocent, however our civilians most certainly are. Same with the English who were killed on the 7th of July. I'm sick of these people who defend the actions of terrorists just because the US and England have been involved in many wars, both rightfully and wrongly. It's absurd to compare the two sides to be honest.

Nobody here thinks the US citizens are bad, nobody ever wrote it. But even the US' economic strategies are not as innocent as they seem and there are many civilians driving it, knowingly or not. You should really think about what Zlatan wrote, coz I would've wrote more or less the same.

There is really quite less of a difference between US soldier's actions and the terrorist as they both end up killing innocent lives. I concur that the bombs in London were worste because they intentionally targeted innocent people.

Perhaps you wouldn't know when somebody is in pain and suffering or not. Going rafting and laughing doesn't ensure you that you go to sleep calmly at night. I know I get restless sometimes knowing how stupid and corrupt my government is, which is causing alot of suffering for small and poor people. Although I am less affected, I do somehow sense their pain.

And Andy, reading your strong "patriotism" for the US, really makes me feel you don't understand the true values that your country stood for. Of righteousness.

I honestly would only fight for what I believe is right, this is the type of IDEA that I Learned in your country. I wouldn't fight just for the sake of my country, if my country takes a wrong action then I wouldn't want to be supporting it.