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[Chxta]

Politics has always been dirty. Just discussing it is making all of us go at each others' throats...:down:

 

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[- vOnAm -]

Yes Chxta, the political boundaries we call countries have made life much complicated.

I, however don't hate any of the guys I commented, I was more sad to see their opinion. As perhaps if I were in their shoes, lived their lives, perhaps I might have the same opinion. And vice-versa.

 

[nedved34]

++ [ originally posted by Chxta ] ++
Politics has always been dirty. Just discussing it is making all of us go at each others' throats...:down:

1000000% agreed

 

[Tom]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
Did Iraqi children killed by US boms deserve what they got? Did 8000 men in Srebrenica deserve what they got? Did the 250.000 casualties of the tsunami deserve what they got? They didn't deserve what they got means nothing in todays world.

Not surprised this debate is going nowhere. Everytime you make a point, instead of getting answered, you just post the same old shit time and time again.

Of course, on the face of it those people didn't deserve to die, though bringing the tsunami into it is a bit ridiculous, its hardly comparable to the others.

The difference is blatantly obvious, the suicide bombers in London, in Iraq everyday, and all over the world in various incidents have deliberately ended innocent peoples lives. US air strikes are at military targets, now if a bomb goes astray or civilians get too close to the target zones then casualties will occur. Of course these are deeply regrettable but the intent is certainly not there, which is why you cannot label the US or british or italian or whoever else is out there armies as terrorists.

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++


Not surprised this debate is going nowhere. Everytime you make a point, instead of getting answered, you just post the same old shit time and time again.

Of course, on the face of it those people didn't deserve to die, though bringing the tsunami into it is a bit ridiculous, its hardly comparable to the others.

The difference is blatantly obvious, the suicide bombers in London, in Iraq everyday, and all over the world in various incidents have deliberately ended innocent peoples lives. US air strikes are at military targets, now if a bomb goes astray or civilians get too close to the target zones then casualties will occur. Of course these are deeply regrettable but the intent is certainly not there, which is why you cannot label the US or british or italian or whoever else is out there armies as terrorists.

I do understand that, but my point is, and thats why I brought the tsunami into it, that regardless of the motivations, accident or intentional, war or natural disaster, the result is the same. Thats all I'm trying to say, while in no way trying to condone or support terrorist attacks.

 

[Tom]

Understood - and I know you're not condoning them, sorry if it sounded like I thought you were that wasn't my point at all.

 

[Zlatan]

I know mate. Let's just agree to disagree

 

[Vinman]

++ [ originally posted by - vOnAm - ] ++


NOt Amusing, honestly, you would think such a thing? Ignorance, you have too much of it. I know how these people would think, and they go for broke because they feel cornered. Yes, perhaps many were also mislead into thinking these actions might bring happiness in the afterlife.

FYI, Islam condemns suicide, there is perhaps no sin greater than suicide, thus to be confident that killing themselves is "Sacrifice" rather than " Suicide" is what these people need to confirm before they execute, and confirming such actions require proper reasoning (atleast to the person).




Nobody here thinks the US citizens are bad, nobody ever wrote it. But even the US' economic strategies are not as innocent as they seem and there are many civilians driving it, knowingly or not. You should really think about what Zlatan wrote, coz I would've wrote more or less the same.

There is really quite less of a difference between US soldier's actions and the terrorist as they both end up killing innocent lives. I concur that the bombs in London were worste because they intentionally targeted innocent people.

Perhaps you wouldn't know when somebody is in pain and suffering or not. Going rafting and laughing doesn't ensure you that you go to sleep calmly at night. I know I get restless sometimes knowing how stupid and corrupt my government is, which is causing alot of suffering for small and poor people. Although I am less affected, I do somehow sense their pain.

And Andy, reading your strong "patriotism" for the US, really makes me feel you don't understand the true values that your country stood for. Of righteousness.

I honestly would only fight for what I believe is right, this is the type of IDEA that I Learned in your country. I wouldn't fight just for the sake of my country, if my country takes a wrong action then I wouldn't want to be supporting it.

Please dont blame me for what they're preaching

I know its wrong for suicide and murder in Islam. But, this is not what the radicals are teaching/preaching

I feel the same way about the fanatical Christians, who feel its their "duty" to bomb abortion clinics and/or kill the physicians who perform abortions.

Murder is wrong on all accounts, no matter what

 

[Chxta]

Finally, someone realises that the problem is not the religion, but the idiots practicing it!

 

[Tom]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
I know mate. Let's just agree to disagree

Bah, couldn't you have said that to begin with :irritate:

Chxta I'm wondering - are you actually going to add any input to this thread or just keep up the running commentary?

 

[Chxta]

If you noticed, I stopped adding anything when the argument versus Madlawyer got fierce.

Love the commentator's position

 

[Eaglesnake_1]

++ [ originally posted by Chxta ] ++
Finally, someone realises that the problem is not the religion, but the idiots practicing it!

To generalize and say that people practicing religion are idiots, was one of the best ways to "put more wood in the fire"....intolerance is on of the factors that has taken this mounstrous situation of terrorism to is actual stage...:down:

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Eaglesnake_1 ] ++


To generalize and say that people practicing religion are idiots, was one of the best ways to "put more wood in the fire"....intolerance is on of the factors that has taken this mounstrous situation of terrorism to is actual stage...:down:

That is exactly right man.

 

[Chxta]

++ [ originally posted by Eaglesnake_1 ] ++


To generalize and say that people practicing religion are idiots, was one of the best ways to "put more wood in the fire"....intolerance is on of the factors that has taken this mounstrous situation of terrorism to is actual stage...:down:

Point taken sir.

 

[Chxta]

Erm... http://www.ickedownload.com/Forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4421

 

[- vOnAm -]

++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++


Please dont blame me for what they're preaching

I know its wrong for suicide and murder in Islam. But, this is not what the radicals are teaching/preaching

I feel the same way about the fanatical Christians, who feel its their "duty" to bomb abortion clinics and/or kill the physicians who perform abortions.

Murder is wrong on all accounts, no matter what

Understood vinman , although I still doubt those were their preechings, I do think they are bieng mislead into conducting such actions. Murder is definately wrong.

 

[Nicole]

this stuff wouldnt happen if everyone realise that religion is false.

 

[- vOnAm -]

I dont think religion is false, and the religion itself is to blame. With so many people with many different backgrounds its very logical that there are bound to be conflicts.

But we should focus how to solve them by looking at what we have in common rather than our differences.

I believe that a religious Christian would actually be more in harmony with a religuos muslim, 4exmple. As the two religions contain more values in common rather than differences. And those people would have much more things in common than say with a person who doesn't believe in God.

Its just individual or group understanding of the religion rather than the religion itself IMO that creates the distructive actions.

 

[Nicole]

But the fact is that relgion itself regardless of what it teaches simply because it exists creates barriers that stop people believe like that.

And people will always look at what is different that is human nature.

 

[- vOnAm -]

Well, everything on earth is a tool nicole. I believe anything including religion can be used as a destructive force.

A knife can be used to cut meat and make food for people yet at the same time it can also be used to kill.

It is ultimately in our hands the actions that we conduct, that is also what religion teaches that we are responsible for making our descisions and warns us of the danger if we fail to make good (intentended) descisions.