London blasts cause chaos on Tube (4 Viewers)
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1. I hate these imbecilic "terrorist apologists" who basically defend the murder of innocent people by trying to put the entire blame on the shoulders of the US and British government. HOW retarded is it to compare the work of these goverments to the work of Al-Qaeda whose main purpose is to kill as many unsuspecting innocent civilians as possible. These people feel the need to apologize for suicide bombers after they blow their own worthless selves up as if it was a fair fight to begin with. How fvcking pathetic are these people...just makes me sick.
2. Thank God these idiot terrorists did not assemble the bombs correctly...too bad they did not explode in their own worthless faces to spare us from their own worthless ideology.
3. The dead Brazilian guy in the underground who decided to run away from the cops while wearing a friggin TRENCH COAT in London on a SUMMER DAY is an idiot. Can't blame the police for taking action there because you would have done the same thing.
4. I don't see anything wrong with the invasion of Afghanistan. I don't see anything wrong with removing the Al-Qaeda-supporting Taliban from office.
2. Thank God these idiot terrorists did not assemble the bombs correctly...too bad they did not explode in their own worthless faces to spare us from their own worthless ideology.
3. The dead Brazilian guy in the underground who decided to run away from the cops while wearing a friggin TRENCH COAT in London on a SUMMER DAY is an idiot. Can't blame the police for taking action there because you would have done the same thing.
4. I don't see anything wrong with the invasion of Afghanistan. I don't see anything wrong with removing the Al-Qaeda-supporting Taliban from office.
1. The Al Qaeda movement was sponsored and funded and trained and armed by the United States of America for the purpose of causing the Soviet Union a headache.
2. A trigger happy policeman who shoots an innocent man has no excuse, although I'm sure you agree with the killing of Diallo simply for holding a wallet.
3. America used Al Qaeda and promised to replace the Soviet Union in the provision of infrastructure and financial aid for Afghanistan. Once the Soviets pulled out, so did the Americans. Of course, Al Qaeda was pissed.
2. A trigger happy policeman who shoots an innocent man has no excuse, although I'm sure you agree with the killing of Diallo simply for holding a wallet.
3. America used Al Qaeda and promised to replace the Soviet Union in the provision of infrastructure and financial aid for Afghanistan. Once the Soviets pulled out, so did the Americans. Of course, Al Qaeda was pissed.
Yeah that Brazilian guy deserved what he got alright. You have 5 civilians shouting and running after you in the metro and of course it is your patriotic duty to assume they are in fact undercover cops who just want to make sure you're not one of them terrorist meanies. I mean, it couldn't happen to be 5 thugs intent on beating the shit out of you. No no, that never happens in the metro. It has to be cops, those heroes we should always worship and be eternally grateful to for protecting our sorry arses and our great country and to whom we should never speak back, especially if we're right. Get on with the programme, dude : we're in the Terror era, and everybody is a suspect. Spy on your Asian neighbour, report any unusual activity while at the same time be prepared to show us your credentials whenever asked. And if you don't speak English and hence don't understand our warnings, then tough shit. Plus you're wearing a trench coat. No excuse whatsoever, really.
1. The US isn't as inoccent as many of you have pointed out, and it seems that you choose to ignore the views and perceptions of other people here. Face it, the US government and the Terrorist are not really like black and white, although Terrorist are terrible and should be erraticade, thier actions are not so far from those of the US in terms of aggresion.
2. The BRazilian guy who was shot was reportedly ALREADY PINNED DOWN, and locked very FRIGHTEN. There seems to be no need to shoot, especially 5 times.
2. The BRazilian guy who was shot was reportedly ALREADY PINNED DOWN, and locked very FRIGHTEN. There seems to be no need to shoot, especially 5 times.
Although you are obviously biased I agree with most of this. The guy in the subway acted very strange, but it was pretty harsh to shoot him. There was no indication that he was armed in any way. The war in Afghanistan, unlike Iraq, was indeed fully justified because the government was clearly helping Al Qaida.
Why did he run?
By Lucy Panton & Robbie Colun
ANTI-TERROR squad police admitted last night that the "suicide bomb" suspect they shot dead on a Tube train was a total innocent who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Brazilian Jean Charles De Menezes, 27, had NO connection to the four bombers being hunted after Thursday's London blasts.
Police said last night that he was an electrician who had lived in London for about three years.
But they were not aware of that when he was followed by armed police—who eventually pumped five bullets into his head.
He was dressed and acting suspiciously as he came out of a block of flats linked to the fugitive terrorist who planted the Oval Tube bomb.
Then, when he was challenged to stop by undercover police, he inexplicably took to his heels.
Yesterday the same block of flats was at the centre of a dramatic swoop by scores of armed police.
More than 15 small explosions were heard by residents as cops fired gas grenades while storming the three-storey council building in a cul-de-sac with a large ethnic population.
The area was taped off, many residents were evacuated and ambulances arrived at the scene.
At the same time detectives closed in on a FIFTH package abandoned in West London.
Meanwhile, Scotland Yard was desperately trying to find out why Mr De Menezes—who may have been staying at Scotia Road overnight with a friend—ran when he was challenged by police outside Stockwell Tube station on Friday morning.
Yesterday a Yard statement said: "We are now satisfied he was not connected with Thursday's incidents. For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one the Metropolitan Police Service regrets."
And a security source told the News of the World added: "We know an innocent man lost his life.
"He was acting suspiciously and at that stage was a suspected suicide bomber. Officers at the scene had to make a split-second decision.
"This is the toughest and hardest call any armed officer has to make and the public have to understand that. We are facing the most challenging time in policing history."
Among the theories cops are working on is that the dead man panicked at the words "Stop, Police".
A security source said: "He would have been aware of the suicide bombings and there is no excuse at a time like this for not stopping when challenged by police."
Mr De Menezes lived with four cousins in London. His body was identified by one of them, Alex Alves Pereira.
Last night Mr Pereira said: "We're all devastated. "There wasn't anything in his past that would have made him run."
Another cousin, Maria Alves, told a Brazilian newspaper that Mr De Menezes was in Britain legally.
His fatal journey began as he stepped out of the block of five flats in Scotia Road, Tulse Hill, south London, at around 9.30am.
Unknown to him, the place was being watched by an elite squad of anti-terrorist officers because of links to evidence found at the Oval Tube blast—where a man in a New York sweater was captured on CCTV sprinting from the scene.
His own clothing that morning also helped to seal his fate. He was wearing a a bulky winter coat despite the warm weather.
Cops—who feared the coat may have been hiding a bomb belt—followed him the 300 yards to Tulse Hill station. At 9.45am he caught a number 2 bus for the 15-minute ride to Stockwell. On that short journey, the undercover cops would have been well aware of the dangerous situation unfolding.
The fate of Special Branch Officer DC Stephen Oake may have crossed their minds—he was stabbed to death in January 2003 by al-Qaeda operative Kamel Bourgass, 31, who appeared to co-operate during his arrest in Manchester, only to explode into violence.
They will have been on tenterhooks as Mr De Menezes stepped off the bus outside Stockwell Tube at 10am.
As he crossed the road towards the Tube entrance the cops' suspicions would have hit red alert and they drew their weapons, screaming for him to stop. He then made the decision that cost him his life.
He vaulted over the ticket barrier and ran down the escalator where he tripped as he jumped on to a waiting Northern Line train.
Witness Mark Whitby—sitting in the carriage he made for—said he looked like "a frightened rabbit" before falling to the train floor with cops closing in on him. One fired five shots into his head.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news1.shtml
By Lucy Panton & Robbie Colun
ANTI-TERROR squad police admitted last night that the "suicide bomb" suspect they shot dead on a Tube train was a total innocent who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Brazilian Jean Charles De Menezes, 27, had NO connection to the four bombers being hunted after Thursday's London blasts.
Police said last night that he was an electrician who had lived in London for about three years.
But they were not aware of that when he was followed by armed police—who eventually pumped five bullets into his head.
He was dressed and acting suspiciously as he came out of a block of flats linked to the fugitive terrorist who planted the Oval Tube bomb.
Then, when he was challenged to stop by undercover police, he inexplicably took to his heels.
Yesterday the same block of flats was at the centre of a dramatic swoop by scores of armed police.
More than 15 small explosions were heard by residents as cops fired gas grenades while storming the three-storey council building in a cul-de-sac with a large ethnic population.
The area was taped off, many residents were evacuated and ambulances arrived at the scene.
At the same time detectives closed in on a FIFTH package abandoned in West London.
Meanwhile, Scotland Yard was desperately trying to find out why Mr De Menezes—who may have been staying at Scotia Road overnight with a friend—ran when he was challenged by police outside Stockwell Tube station on Friday morning.
Yesterday a Yard statement said: "We are now satisfied he was not connected with Thursday's incidents. For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one the Metropolitan Police Service regrets."
And a security source told the News of the World added: "We know an innocent man lost his life.
"He was acting suspiciously and at that stage was a suspected suicide bomber. Officers at the scene had to make a split-second decision.
"This is the toughest and hardest call any armed officer has to make and the public have to understand that. We are facing the most challenging time in policing history."
Among the theories cops are working on is that the dead man panicked at the words "Stop, Police".
A security source said: "He would have been aware of the suicide bombings and there is no excuse at a time like this for not stopping when challenged by police."
Mr De Menezes lived with four cousins in London. His body was identified by one of them, Alex Alves Pereira.
Last night Mr Pereira said: "We're all devastated. "There wasn't anything in his past that would have made him run."
Another cousin, Maria Alves, told a Brazilian newspaper that Mr De Menezes was in Britain legally.
His fatal journey began as he stepped out of the block of five flats in Scotia Road, Tulse Hill, south London, at around 9.30am.
Unknown to him, the place was being watched by an elite squad of anti-terrorist officers because of links to evidence found at the Oval Tube blast—where a man in a New York sweater was captured on CCTV sprinting from the scene.
His own clothing that morning also helped to seal his fate. He was wearing a a bulky winter coat despite the warm weather.
Cops—who feared the coat may have been hiding a bomb belt—followed him the 300 yards to Tulse Hill station. At 9.45am he caught a number 2 bus for the 15-minute ride to Stockwell. On that short journey, the undercover cops would have been well aware of the dangerous situation unfolding.
The fate of Special Branch Officer DC Stephen Oake may have crossed their minds—he was stabbed to death in January 2003 by al-Qaeda operative Kamel Bourgass, 31, who appeared to co-operate during his arrest in Manchester, only to explode into violence.
They will have been on tenterhooks as Mr De Menezes stepped off the bus outside Stockwell Tube at 10am.
As he crossed the road towards the Tube entrance the cops' suspicions would have hit red alert and they drew their weapons, screaming for him to stop. He then made the decision that cost him his life.
He vaulted over the ticket barrier and ran down the escalator where he tripped as he jumped on to a waiting Northern Line train.
Witness Mark Whitby—sitting in the carriage he made for—said he looked like "a frightened rabbit" before falling to the train floor with cops closing in on him. One fired five shots into his head.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news1.shtml
1. The police were not in uniform, and there were five of them. It's a rough neighbourhood. You're a foreigner, in the tense climate currently pervading London, and five white men in street clothes tell you to stop, you'd better run for your life. For all the poor man knew, these were some skinhead types looking to gain some revenge on a foreigner. He ran rather than get his ass beat up by some hoods, and he got killed for it. And some people here say he got what he deserved.
2. The police had caught up with him, and he was on the floor of the train looking very frightened, and one put five bullets in his head. What for?
2. The police had caught up with him, and he was on the floor of the train looking very frightened, and one put five bullets in his head. What for?
I understand they have other underlying reasons for killing innocent people, most if not all of which are extremely unfair, however looking at this situation the main purpose of putting a bomb on a bus is to KILL PEOPLE. If you cannot see the difference between that and military forces engaging the armed, ready-to-fire enemy who threatens the lives of soldiers and civilians alike, then I don't know what's wrong with you.
Wow, another person who does not understand the concept of killing armed gunmen and innocent civilians. Another terrorist apologist.
And nobody is saying the US is entirely innocent, however our civilians most certainly are. Same with the English who were killed on the 7th of July. I'm sick of these people who defend the actions of terrorists just because the US and England have been involved in many wars, both rightfully and wrongly. It's absurd to compare the two sides to be honest.
And nobody is saying the US is entirely innocent, however our civilians most certainly are. Same with the English who were killed on the 7th of July. I'm sick of these people who defend the actions of terrorists just because the US and England have been involved in many wars, both rightfully and wrongly. It's absurd to compare the two sides to be honest.
