Last day of mercato: #FalcaON #FalcaOFF edition (30 Viewers)

[PedroFlu]

I think we can all agree this wasn't a bad window. Anti-climatic, perhaps. But definitely not bad

Having said that, a similar Summer next year and that would absolutely be bad. What with more revenue coming in, new deals etc + our team will need rejuvenating probably.

I'm not that confident.

Regardless of the fact we barely spent a cent in cash flow this season, we did commit to pay further 50M to the next few years. Also we are already increasing the cost in salaries and already topping the 300M revenue barrier.

Financially we are reaching our limit. I think the trend of spending around 15M on 2 players + around 10M in another 1 or another player preferable from Italy (where we can extend the payment terms while overpaying for the players for it) will continue for the foreseeable future.

I'm not expecting a substantial different approach next year. It's not like we are actually saving money. As I said, only this offseason we commited to spend 50M to be payed in the next 2/3 years.

 

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[Post Ironic]

Have i said otherwise ?

Marotta for the past 3 years has focussed on "getting players if the price is right". However our starting 11 became so good that has become pretty difficult to do.


If we can, sure we'll do that. In the meantime, we focus on these big talents like Pogba, Coman, Rabiot, Sturaro, Berardi, ...

However, I think our starting XI is only difficult to improve because of our poor financial position. We also have quite a few aging starters that we need to start replacing over the next couple mercatos. We'll get lucky with a youth player or two, but eventually we're going to need to spend some real money if we want to compete with the top teams in Europe.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Did Atalanta want 10m from us for Bonaventura?

no thanks, unless it's a marchisio straight swap

 

[Mark]

no thanks, unless it's a marchisio straight swap

meelan got him for 5+2.

 

[Osman]

no thanks, unless it's a marchisio straight swap

Marchisio is better then him, even you who dont like him should know that...

 

[Badass J Elkann]

whyyyy :sergoi:

lets face it though, marotta would only go and fucking loan him out for a year with the belief that they will actually purchase him next summer...

 

[Mark]

Watch us get Biabiany for Motta.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Have i ever claimed we were going to buy a new forward ?

I have allways claimed that with Allegri the team was good as it was, but that we could use a trequartista. Then i saw Pereyra and Coman in the preseason and understood that we actually had done just that.

Especially after Allegri came, i've said its not adviced to make a big spending cause you dont fully trust the coach, and we should do with what we had.
Dule, dont accuse me of something i didnt do please.


What i'm pointing out here, is that some people have absolutely no clue about how our finances are and what we can realistically purchase, dont want us to sell Pogba/vidal, but then go like "no new starter was bought ? 5/10.


I find it insulting. Good weather fans really. Dont give a shit about what the club does, and only interested if we are winning

I didn't accuse you of anything. I was saying what was the voice of majority on this forum and I was one of the few for sure who said we won't buy any big name.

It IS the point. People were saying whole summer how we're a top club and can afford to compete with big clubs and obtain top players. But that's exactly what I meant in the first place -- no -- we're not capable of doing so.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

meelan got him for 5+2.

thats actually a good deal

 

[Cronios]

The stupidity of man is indeed limitless, this very thread prooves it.
Some ppl just never learn...

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Marchisio is better then him, even you who dont rate him should know that...

fixed, and im not so sure

 

[PedroFlu]

17mil is a substancial fee indeed. but he was bought with an eye on winger play in the future, not as a 6th cm.


My only regret is that we didnt sign nastasic

Can't understand why you keep saying this guy was signed mainly to play as a winger. Nothing suggest he's one so far. He looks like a decent/good CM, a position where we needed depth, but not really an AM or a winger. You assume his price tag was fair based on an ability you consider certain when it's nowhere near it in reality.

 

[Zacheryah]

However, I think our starting XI is only difficult to improve because of our poor financial position. We also have quite a few aging starters that we need to start replacing over the next couple mercatos. We'll get lucky with a youth player or two, but eventually we're going to need to spend some real money if we want to compete with the top teams in Europe.

I dont know the most expensive spots are midfield and attack. We are stacked in the midfield and got excellent talent for all midfield positions.

Up front we have Llorente for quite a bit, but also Morata, and technically Coman.


As for defence, yes i'm worried. On the other hand we do perhaps have something with rugani

 

[Mark]

thats actually a good deal

If the numbers are true. Sportitalia mention 6+bonuses.....

 

[PedroFlu]

We gave Udinese 1.5M this year.

After this year we can buy him for another 14M which is payable over 3 years.

If he meets certain goals by 2020 they get another 1.5M.

We didn't just dump 17M on their doorstep.

Pirlo is about done and Asamoah's future is at LB. We were going to sign another CM next year anyway. The 14M payable over 3 years is too much for me, I would prefer something like 10. Pereyra's transfer is not 10/10 for me either. It does not sink our whole mercato and hey, maybe he turns out to be useful.

Correction: we will buy him for 14M. It's an obligation to buy. See the Isla/Motta deals.

It's just overpaying so we get more favourable payment conditions.

 

[Zacheryah]

Can't understand why you keep saying this guy was signed mainly to play as a winger. Nothing suggest he's one so far. He looks like a decent/good CM, a position where we needed depth, but not really an AM or a winger. You assume his price tag was fair based on an ability you consider certain when it's nowhere near it in reality.

Last season we lacked central midfielders on the bench that could come in and add creativity. Pereyra has that, but is mostly good for wingers and cam.

We are gonna switch to a winger formation at some point. pereyra is a key in that, cause you cant play wingers without the depth to do so

 

[PedroFlu]

You're saying we should have used that 17M on someone else but only in Italy are you able to use the 17M over so many installments so in reality, we couldn't use this 17M on anyone you'd want.

We used 1.5M this year on Pereyra. Take that 1.5M and go buy someone else if you want.

No. We commited to pay 15.5 to 17M and it has to be taken into account.

 

[Paul Poker]

Especially after Allegri came, i've said its not adviced to make a big spending cause you dont fully trust the coach, and we should do with what we had.

Agreed. This is not the time to spend big, it's the time to spend wisely. If Allegri proves himself and remains our coach for another season, we can get some quality players that fit his system(s), but to do that now wouldn't be smart.

ManU signing Falcao on those terms is a panic move. No sane club would agree to that.

 

[MikeM]

No. We commited to pay 15.5 to 17M and it has to be taken into account.

Yes. But Suns said we should have used that 17M on someone else. My point is if you go to Bayern and say you want to buy Shaqiri and pay him off until 2020 they will laugh in your face.

 

[Stu]

C'mon man. Of course we aim to improve our starting line-up immediately, if the opportunity presents itself. Every club aims to find purchases that immediately improve their starting XI. If this isn't financially feasible, or the market doesn't present the right opportunities, the club switches to improving the bench, and finding potential stars of the future.

However, banking your future on players with high potential is not the way to become a club with sustained success, as the majority of these players don't live up to potential. We all hope they do. Coman, Sturaro, Berardi, Pereyra, Rugani, Leali, Morata, and so on... Even if not one of them becomes a Pogba story for us, if a couple become 30+ mil rated players that will be amazing, but our club isn't going to be very successful on the European stage if we don't at some point start spending money on established starters.

Spot on.

What i'm pointing out here, is that some people have absolutely no clue about how our finances are and what we can realistically purchase, dont want us to sell Pogba/vidal, but then go like "no new starter was bought ? 5/10.


I find it insulting. Good weather fans really. Dont give a $#@! about what the club does, and only interested if we are winning

I love how you completely ignored the fact that I said the squad was improved and described our mercato as a mild success. At the end of the day Romulo, Pereyra and Evra are nothing more than squad players while Coman and Morata have potential. Why exactly should I give our mercato more than 6/10 (which is a passing grade and not bad at all)? It must be because I'm a good weather fan only interested if we are winning right? Get off your high horse son. You sound like a clown.