Kingsley Coman (14 Viewers)

[Osman]

Coman is the new Giovinco of tuz.

I'm not saying that he will end up as bad as Giovinco, oh no. I'm saying that this kid will have fanatic followers for the next 5 years and whenever he does well, this thread will be revived with 5 pages of people saying how he should be playing for Juventus right now. Kind of like Giovinco loan times. Then if he ever comes back they will hype him beyond imagination. And then if he plays bad we will hear about him playing out of position and the coach ruining his potential.

At this point I think I would rather see Bayern buy him for that low 28m than having to live through Giovinco2.0 era.

This is all well and good. But there are major differences, you realize he was 18 years old whole last season, his only season for us? And yes it matters alot that besides coppa, he never played in his natural position? (that gives him the 1-1 situations and space he needs to use his main weapons). Good price for sure if we can get it(two year loan is dumb). But surely you understand why people would have reservations and say we may have given up on him too soon? Or he gave up himself too soon too. But IMO if we really had plans for him we would have made him stay. It was difficult situation for sure and the options were few until this presented itself, but still rather see we keep a stake in big talents when we get them so young and for free to boot.


So instead of take sides too eagerly like many (and yeah it gets kinda lame), I hope you get the basic viewpoint/ concern that is that we lost an explosive and very young talent that we could developed and used ourselves for many years to come.

We are losing to him a bigger club right now who are filled with quality, and still wanted him badly enough to value him at 28m as a teen. If anything that alone should be enough of a signal that we may be premature in losing him too quickly. And finally yes position matters alot, it's easier to play with such offensive quality players in Bayern, but it's not surprising that he has had an excellent start with them playing as a winger instead of a central forward that had him performing like he still had his training wheels on.

 

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[HAZEM]

This is all well and good. But there are major differences, you realize he was 18 years old whole last season, his only season for us? And yes it matters alot that besides coppa, he never played in his natural position? (that gives him the 1-1 situations and space he needs to use his main weapons). Good price for sure if we can get it(two year loan is dumb). But surely you understand why people would have reservations and say we may have given up on him too soon? Or he gave up himself too soon too. But IMO if we really had plans for him we would have made him stay. It was difficult situation for sure and the options were few until this presented itself, but still rather see we keep a stake in big talents when we get them so young and for free to boot.


So instead of take sides too eagerly like many (and yeah it gets kinda lame), I hope you get the basic viewpoint/ concern that is that we lost an explosive and very young talent that we could developed and used ourselves for many years to come.

We are losing to him a bigger club right now who are filled with quality, and still wanted him badly enough to value him at 28m as a teen. If anything that alone should be enough of a signal that we may be premature in losing him too quickly. And finally yes position matters alot, it's easier to play with such offensive quality players in Bayern, but it's not surprising that he has had an excellent start with them playing as a winger instead of a central forward that had him performing like he still had his training wheels on.

 

[duranfj]

In a season that we get 37 for Vidal, 0 for Llorente and 5 for tevez. This one was by far our most strange move... Maybe he was dating with some agnelli's girl

 

[v1rtu4l]

We are losing to him a bigger club right now who are filled with quality, and still wanted him badly enough to value him at 28m as a teen. If anything that alone should be enough of a signal that we may be premature in losing him too quickly.

Did I miss something happening last night?
Bayern do not value him at 28 m euro or they would have straight up bought him while we would have rightfully sold him for that price.

Bayern have an easy short term solution for their injured french scar face problem and can get rid of Coman without obligations.

And finally yes position matters alot, it's easier to play with such offensive quality players in Bayern, but it's not surprising that he has had an excellent start with them playing as a winger instead of a central forward that had him performing like he still had his training wheels on.

And in no way had his performance to do with playing against a team who's complete roster of 28 players is valued at 12m euro.

 

[Osman]

It's an option for overall sum of 28m after loan so it is what they value him at, not that they used it.

Quasimodos replacement is the insanely exceptional Douglas Costa so far, Coman is someone they want for depth and groom for the future, they been looking at him for a while and pounced as soon as the opportunity presented itself. Could signed plenty of players but they went with this raw teenager because they rate his talent, its not too complicated.

And it's two matches in a row where has taken the chances he had, CL game too. And everyone faces the same level of opponents eventually. He faced very small poor teams in Serie A too, the few times he played, part of the program and its no point diminishing someone's performance for it.

 

[Oggy]

TBH I'm kinda disappointed we lost him, but the money we received/gonna receive is good. Also for me Coman was in the same situation as Giovinco was, both are not strikers or ss, they excel as wingers and we don't play that formation.

Another thing and more important one is Coman's attitude, he left PSG for the same reason he left us, he wants to be a starter for a big club, which is great, but also shows he is kinda immature and overconfident, he is still young player that needs to learn, but God forbid to be loaned to some smaller French or Italian club where he could be a starter and develop, and to make things worse he is not "new Messi", or even the most talented player of his generation.

 

[radekas]

This is all well and good. But there are major differences, you realize he was 18 years old whole last season, his only season for us? And yes it matters alot that besides coppa, he never played in his natural position? (that gives him the 1-1 situations and space he needs to use his main weapons). Good price for sure if we can get it(two year loan is dumb). But surely you understand why people would have reservations and say we may have given up on him too soon? Or he gave up himself too soon too. But IMO if we really had plans for him we would have made him stay. It was difficult situation for sure and the options were few until this presented itself, but still rather see we keep a stake in big talents when we get them so young and for free to boot.


So instead of take sides too eagerly like many (and yeah it gets kinda lame), I hope you get the basic viewpoint/ concern that is that we lost an explosive and very young talent that we could developed and used ourselves for many years to come.

We are losing to him a bigger club right now who are filled with quality, and still wanted him badly enough to value him at 28m as a teen. If anything that alone should be enough of a signal that we may be premature in losing him too quickly. And finally yes position matters alot, it's easier to play with such offensive quality players in Bayern, but it's not surprising that he has had an excellent start with them playing as a winger instead of a central forward that had him performing like he still had his training wheels on.

I get every point of view about Coman. Only time will tell how this will turn out. But the problem here is that his fanatics won't stop bitching every time he does well. They will rush to this topic every time with their smug knee-jerking. Which is 100% like Giovinco's fanatics a few years ago. That was my point.

 

[Dino_mk]

.. young talent that we could developed and used ourselves for many years to come...

Excellent post except for the part above.
I'm not sure that we would be good for his development. Small opponents against Juve r parking the bus, defending with 10 men (which isn't the case for BL clubs vs Bayern). There is no room for Comans speed on counters, or for his dribbling to work with two defenders before him. And u can't develop him in games vs big teams where u need already developed and experienced player.

 

[Osman]

Radekas, agreed But its equally annoying even if not more so to read the absolute nonsensical and illogical negative posts about him that SUDDENLY appear only after he is gone. Descredit him and basically German league in some, which is absolutely beyond dumb to read. Even for the standards of this forum its bizzare spin.


Dino, if we played him as winger, or more wide forward/roaming, and given him time, he could find space and grow. He started our first league game, and was facing a very defensive opponents but still was our MOM for that hour or so he played (together with Pereyra). And that was as a central forward. He did most of his damage in that game by going very wide to the left often. If you use him more him like that he could excell and develop to a incisive inside forward/winger. Problem with playing as CF is mainly for a player like him is that he gets the ball facing with the goal to his back and getting closed down quicker in central positions. Even vs defensive set up opponents, quick tidy dribblers like him can do damage wide since he isnt a kick and rush type of winger, but seems to like 1-1 duels in tight spaces too.


But this is besides the point, I dont think we would have been good for his development either, but not for the reason you mentionned, but simply because we were playing 2 attackers and 4 CMs, an approach thats not ideal for his type. Its just unfortunate that we are adopting to a favourable approach now that he is gone. But dont blame Allegri, he said he wanted him to stay and it was the kid and Marrotta who basically made sure this deal happend.

 

[Nicholas]

It is a poor league Ossy.

 

[Bianconero81]

Serie A is miles ahead of Die Bayernliga

Excellent post Nick; 20-20. Would definitely read again and +rep

 

[v1rtu4l]

We will never have an unbiased view on the leagues. I just talked to a few Germans from south Germany and they told me that EPL and Bundesliga are the leagues players wanna play in in their prime, then if the players are washed up they would transfer to secondary leagues like Spain and France and if the players are really scrub or not able to perform anymore they transfer to third tier leagues like Italy and turkey.

I did not even speak one more word with those tards after that, but that at is how bias works and if you have no clue about a different league it is crap if media does not tell you otherwise.

 

[Ronn]

In a season that we get 37 for Vidal, 0 for Llorente and 5 for tevez. This one was by far our most strange move... Maybe he was dating with some agnelli's girl

We didn't get any money for Tevez. Just a 2-year Vadala loan and first option on a couple of other players.

 

[Bjerknes]

I get every point of view about Coman. Only time will tell how this will turn out. But the problem here is that his fanatics won't stop bitching every time he does well. They will rush to this topic every time with their smug knee-jerking. Which is 100% like Giovinco's fanatics a few years ago. That was my point.

Easy solution: stay away from the thread.

It is a poor league Ossy.

What, Serie A or Germany?

I'd say that they are both poor, but Italy is worse off because of the stadium.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

@igortudor Just to make sure I got it right, Coman deal was a 2 year loan with an OPTION to buy, right?

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It's an option for overall sum of 28m after loan so it is what they value him at, not that they used it.

Quasimodos replacement is the insanely exceptional Douglas Costa so far, Coman is someone they want for depth and groom for the future, they been looking at him for a while and pounced as soon as the opportunity presented itself. Could signed plenty of players but they went with this raw teenager because they rate his talent, its not too complicated.

And it's two matches in a row where has taken the chances he had, CL game too. And everyone faces the same level of opponents eventually. He faced very small poor teams in Serie A too, the few times he played, part of the program and its no point diminishing someone's performance for it.

Nevermind, @igortudor. Option, eh? So we can still pull a Morata and keep the kid if the explodes.

 

[Osman]

I haven't heard anything about it being obligation at all.

 

[Ocelot]

Nevermind, @igortudor. Option, eh? So we can still pull a Morata and keep the kid if the explodes.

Now we can't. If Bayern wants to, they can take the option. We got no say in this.

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Now we can't. If Bayern wants to, they can take the option. We got no say in this.

Is that how it works? So we simply just gave them the kid and the only way he'll come back is if they don't intend to keep him?

 

[eduardorddz01]

This was a bad deal by Marotta, we should've keep the control on this negotiation, not Bayern