Kids suspended for wearing American clothing in America?! (3 Viewers)

Fred

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If i were an American i'd be pretty damn pissed at the state of immigration, whether the current laws are appropriate or not though is a whole different matter.
 

Bjerknes

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Sure it is. Martin said it.

We have a problem. We need a solution. Here's a solution.

It's pretty much a knee jerk reaction to the cartel violence along the border.
No, not at all. Iraq wasn't a "quick mistake." That was planned for years, they just needed an excuse to finish the job. The bailouts were planned fear mongering that did not have the best interests of the people at heart.

While on the other hand, this Arizona Immigration bill is supposed to protect the state against the real problem of illegals flowing over the borders.
 

Enron

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The Constitution? Oh, you mean that thing disregarded completely by the last three Presidents, including the current one, if not more? The Patriot Act, the Unconstitutional bailouts, and Federal Reserve itself are all Constitutional?

Funny thing is, you never see anyone speak out those matters, but when the suspicion of racism is up for debate, only then can we whip out of the Constitution.

This is hypocrisy.
I actually protested the Patriot Act and the first and second Iraq war sooo... yeah at actual protests.


I'm definitely not a hypocrite on any of those measures and the fact that you would need to deem me one is highly insulting.

The truth of the matter is that this law was unconstitutional. It was rewritten, but now it's so vague that it may not be able to be enforced properly. I am not for bending over backward for illegal immigrants, but I would rather we dealt with the situation in a way that doesn't sacrifice the integrity of the American ideal. In fact I'd rather we dealt with all the decisions we made as a nation in that manner. From economics to war to domestic social matters. My position on this has never wavered and it never will.

As per the current topic of immigration, I've even proposed alternatives in this thread, to which even Kyle agreed.
 

GordoDeCentral

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No, not at all. Iraq wasn't a "quick mistake." That was planned for years, they just needed an excuse to finish the job. The bailouts were planned fear mongering that did not have the best interests of the people at heart.

While on the other hand, this Arizona Immigration bill is supposed to protect the state against the real problem of illegals flowing over the borders.

the immigration problem is one thing, giving cops the power to stop and harass people who did nothing wrong is a different matter.
 

GordoDeCentral

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I actually protested the Patriot Act and the first and second Iraq war sooo... yeah at actual protests.


I'm definitely not a hypocrite on any of those measures and the fact that you would need to deem me one is highly insulting.

The truth of the matter is that this law was unconstitutional. It was rewritten, but now it's so vague that it may not be able to be enforced properly. I am not for bending over backward for illegal immigrants, but I would rather we dealt with the situation in a way that doesn't sacrifice the integrity of the American ideal. In fact I'd rather we dealt with all the decisions we made as a nation in that manner. From economics to war to domestic social matters. My position on this has never wavered and it never will.

As per the current topic of immigration, I've even proposed alternatives in this thread, to which even Kyle agreed.
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OP

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    I don't know what you mean by police no longer have to interrogate suspected illegal aliens. I would suspect interrogation would be part of the process once an initial arrest is made. Unless they do a direct deportation without any judicial procedure, that would be some fucked up shit.
    I mean they can't stop and interrogate them on the street over their legal status without reason. Under the original bill they could do that.

    Yes, in a court of law. But my defense wasn't that I was a white, young-looking college kid who was picked on by racial profilers.
    You got cited for an MIP in college? Thats harsh.
     

    Bjerknes

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    I actually protested the Patriot Act and the first and second Iraq war sooo... yeah at actual protests.


    I'm definitely not a hypocrite on any of those measures and the fact that you would need to deem me one is highly insulting.

    The truth of the matter is that this law was unconstitutional. It was rewritten, but now it's so vague that it may not be able to be enforced properly. I am not for bending over backward for illegal immigrants, but I would rather we dealt with the situation in a way that doesn't sacrifice the integrity of the American ideal. In fact I'd rather we dealt with all the decisions we made as a nation in that manner. From economics to war to domestic social matters. My position on this has never wavered and it never will.

    As per the current topic of immigration, I've even proposed alternatives in this thread, to which even Kyle agreed.

    I was not saying you did, but that is generally what happens in politics nowadays. Nobody really cares about the Constitution unless it promotes one of their agendas, which is very few and far between. For instance, the Federal Reserve is unconstitutional, yet everyone seems to love it in the media and in the government.

    The fact of the matter is, and it is a very sad fact for some, but those folks crossing the border are going to be Mexican. I say if the border patrol sees a few Mexicans and they have some reasonable cause to stop them, then that should be allowed. What the hell else are they supposed to do? I already hear folks from border areas that complain that the cops just let illegals go because they can't do anything about them.
     
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    They have that power already. Yet nobody complains about it unless it's against non-Whites.
    This is case is different though, this isn't just typical harassment. Under the original bill they were required to stop anybody they thought might be an illegal immigrant. The key difference is the requirement by law, normally police would investigate and find a way to harass anybody who they think is acting sketch at their own discretion.

    But how are they supposed to determine who is an illegal immigrant aside from the color of their skin and the way they look? Requiring the police to pull over and demand ID documents based on what is blatant racial profiling is despicable. This wasn't just giving police power, it was requiring them to in force law and work in a racist manner.

    Now if there is a group of them hanging in front of home depot getting picked up for day labor than the police should have every right to question them.
     
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    no they dont, it's called harassment
    Yes they do, if you don't know that then you've never interacted with the police or been to a concert. Police get away with harassment and intimidation like mad against people of all colors.

    Police have way more discretion in the job than you might think and they know the law well so they know exactly what actions they can justify and how to do it.
     

    Hust

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    If I were those kids I would wear a flag-tee shirt everyday, put one up on my locker and protest tacos in the cafeteria as unconstitutional.

    Fuck it. I am American and I want to eat American food in my cafeterias. If the schools orders Tacos on a specific day, protest that lunch should be free and any rejection is unconstitutional.


    YEEE HAWWW!!!
     
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    If I were those kids I would wear a flag-tee shirt everyday, put one up on my locker and protest tacos in the cafeteria as unconstitutional.

    Fuck it. I am American and I want to eat American food in my cafeterias. If the schools orders Tacos on a specific day, protest that lunch should be free and any rejection is unconstitutional.


    YEEE HAWWW!!!
    I see your Friday night is going better than mine.
     

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