Kids suspended for wearing American clothing in America?! (1 Viewer)

[Enron]

And I'm saying thats crap. Wearing the T shirts was not a direct insult to the Mexicans in any way, they had no reason to be offended and wouldn't have been had the VP just kept quiet . The fact that this made headlines is what is going to now cause tension any time a similar incident occurs.

This incident making the news is going to cause the tension that it was reporting on.

JBF does have a point. Teenage boys tend to be huge assholes (I was one), so it's hard to give these "young patriots" the benefit of the doubt. Though any kid that purchases an American flag short set deserves to wear it.

 

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[Bjerknes]

The bending-over-backwards for illegal immigrants and the reverse racists is becoming tiring. The kids in question here should not be sent home, but rather be given an award. If Mexicans want to celebrate their heritage, that's completely fine, but if Americans want to do so as well on Cinco De Mayo (which is as real of a holiday as fucking Kwanza), then they are allowed to so as well.

And why are folks outraged that Arizona wants to crack down on ILLEGAL aliens? I mean what is this, 1984 here?

 

[JBF]

Totally disagree. I think wearing the flag like it's some kind of religion is weird and slightly creepy, but on that very day it actually makes a certain amount of sense, by giving people the chance to show others their "colors" on an occasion where everyone is doing it.

It makes sense alright I've never said that it didn't but it certainly is asking for trouble.


It just hit me what a blow for the 5th of May and for Mexicans it will be if their day was going to be celebrated from now on as the International origin-pride day where every citizen shows off his own colors

 

[X Æ A-12]

The bending-over-backwards for illegal immigrants and the reverse racists is becoming tiring. The kids in question here should not be sent home, but rather be given an award. If Mexicans want to celebrate their heritage, that's completely fine, but if Americans want to do so as well on Cinco De Mayo (which is as real of a holiday as fucking Kwanza), then they are allowed to so as well.

And why are folks outraged that Arizona wants to crack down on ILLEGAL aliens? I mean what is this, 1984 here?

Do you support the crackdown in Arizona?

 

[Martin]

The bending-over-backwards for illegal immigrants and the reverse racists is becoming tiring. The kids in question here should not be sent home, but rather be given an award. If Mexicans want to celebrate their heritage, that's completely fine, but if Americans want to do so as well on Cinco De Mayo (which is as real of a holiday as fucking Kwanza), then they are allowed to so as well.

And why are folks outraged that Arizona wants to crack down on ILLEGAL aliens? I mean what is this, 1984 here?

You're kidding, right? People are not outraged about the fact of just any immigration law, it's a law that is completely based on racial profiling and overtly racist.

 

[JuveJay]

Puerto Ricans HATE Mexicans.

Yeah, I was going off on a tangent about something else though, nevermind

 

[Bjerknes]

Do you support the crackdown in Arizona?

To an extent, yes.

You're kidding, right? People are not outraged about the fact of just any immigration law, it's a law that is completely based on racial profiling and overtly racist.

So how do you suggest cracking down on illegal immigration?

The funny thing is, while folks whine that the Arizona Bill is racist, you have cases of illegal aliens shooting up cops and ranchers along the border who just so happen to be white, along with the Mexican military flying into our air space raiding our own police stations. Don't believe me? Just google it.

I'm not for racial profiling, but I have not heard of a better plan to combat this problem. And judging by the lack of response to the issue from the federal government, the States are starting to take matters into their own hands. And that much I'm starting to agree with because the federal government has gone bonkers.

Give me a better course of action and I'll listen.

 

[X Æ A-12]

To an extent, yes.



So how do you suggest cracking down on illegal immigration?

The funny thing is, while folks whine that the Arizona Bill is racist, you have cases of illegal aliens shooting up cops and ranchers along the border who just so happen to be white, along with the Mexican military flying into our air space raiding our own police stations. Don't believe me? Just google it.

I'm not for racial profiling, but I have not heard of a better plan to combat this problem. And judging by the lack of response to the issue from the federal government, the States are starting to take matters into their own hands. And that much I'm starting to agree with because the federal government has gone bonkers.

Give me a better course of action and I'll listen.

The racial profiling bit has been changed to some extent just after the law passed, now the Police are required to have reasonable suspicion to stop anyone before asking for papers. There is nothing wrong with that IMO even though there are still aspects of this legislation which need to be modified. By being the first state to take some real action Arizona are on the right path but their laws need changing.

A lot of the blame must lie with the federal government for doing nothing for immigration reform which forces the states to take matters into their own hands. Hearing the Obama administration lightly criticize this is laughable as they should have seen this coming.

 

[Martin]

So how do you suggest cracking down on illegal immigration?

The funny thing is, while folks whine that the Arizona Bill is racist, you have cases of illegal aliens shooting up cops and ranchers along the border who just so happen to be white, along with the Mexican military flying into our air space raiding our own police stations. Don't believe me? Just google it.

I'm not for racial profiling, but I have not heard of a better plan to combat this problem. And judging by the lack of response to the issue from the federal government, the States are starting to take matters into their own hands. And that much I'm starting to agree with because the federal government has gone bonkers.

Give me a better course of action and I'll listen.

Flawed logic, Andy.

1. We must do something
2. This is something.
3. Therefore we must do it.

I don't have any solutions for immigration and neither do most people I guess. But what they can see is that this is blatant racial profiling and most people agree that is not right.

 

[Enron]

The bending-over-backwards for illegal immigrants and the reverse racists is becoming tiring. The kids in question here should not be sent home, but rather be given an award. If Mexicans want to celebrate their heritage, that's completely fine, but if Americans want to do so as well on Cinco De Mayo (which is as real of a holiday as fucking Kwanza), then they are allowed to so as well.

And why are folks outraged that Arizona wants to crack down on ILLEGAL aliens? I mean what is this, 1984 here?

It's not so much the crackdown on illegal aliens, but the blatant disregard of the Constitution. The fining of companies that hire illegals is good, giving law enforcement the ability to arrest hardworking Americans because they're the wrong shade of brown is wrong. Sure they'll get a few illegals but the majority of the people arrested will more than likely be legal citizens who police think look like Mexicans. I mean look at Bill Richardson.

Arizona would have done better by making corporate employment records easier to obtain by law enforcement. That's where you find your illegals, not randomly picking up people off the streets.

 

[Enron]

The racial profiling bit has been changed to some extent just after the law passed, now the Police are required to have reasonable suspicion to stop anyone before asking for papers. There is nothing wrong with that IMO even though there are still aspects of this legislation which need to be modified. By being the first state to take some real action Arizona are on the right path but their laws need changing.

The problem lies with the definition of "Reasonable Suspicion". It's not defined particularly well in the law and leaves law enforcement a lot of lee-way toward possible racial profiling.

 

[Enron]

Flawed logic, Andy.

1. We must do something
2. This is something.
3. Therefore we must do it.

I don't have any solutions for immigration and neither do most people I guess. But what they can see is that this is blatant racial profiling and most people agree that is not right.

Pretty much the same logic that's lead to such debacles as the Vietnam War, the War in Iraq, Afganistan, and bail outs. It would be nice if politicians would sit back and examine situations before making decisions.

 

[X Æ A-12]

The problem lies with the definition of "Reasonable Suspicion". It's not defined particularly well in the law and leaves law enforcement a lot of lee-way toward possible racial profiling.

The original legislation was fully supporting racial profiling by the police, I'm not denying that.

It is important to note that the policies that were being constantly reviewed and chastised in the media have actually been edited. Of course it is debatable how the police will put it into practice but that they (the police) are no longer required by law to interrogate any Hispanics over their legal status it leaves the enforcement of this law up to their discretion which is a huge improvement over the original bill.

The original bill had to be changed, it was in direct violation of the constitution.

 

[Henry]

I'm not even get involved with this discussion. Suffice it to say that this would only happen in the US. Oh wait...actually, that's not true, since nationalism is frowned upon in Europe to.....

 

[Bjerknes]

The racial profiling bit has been changed to some extent just after the law passed, now the Police are required to have reasonable suspicion to stop anyone before asking for papers. There is nothing wrong with that IMO even though there are still aspects of this legislation which need to be modified. By being the first state to take some real action Arizona are on the right path but their laws need changing.

Having reasonable cause is a common practice in law. Hell, even I've been given a citation under that premise, probably just because I looked too young to be drinking.

So if reasonable cause is cited in the second version of this bill, then the complainers should shut it.

Unless they believe the illegals near the border are going to be black chinese nationals. :rolleyes2

I don't have any solutions for immigration

That's all you needed to say.

 

[Bjerknes]

Pretty much the same logic that's lead to such debacles as the Vietnam War, the War in Iraq, Afganistan, and bail outs.

Hardly.

 

[Enron]

The original legislation was fully supporting racial profiling by the police, I'm not denying that.

It is important to note that the policies that were being constantly reviewed and chastised in the media have actually been edited. Of course it is debatable how the police will put it into practice but that they (the police) are no longer required by law to interrogate any Hispanics over their legal status it leaves the enforcement of this law up to their discretion which is a huge improvement over the original bill.

The original bill had to be changed, it was in direct violation of the constitution.

I was taking that into account when I replied to your above post. The issue is that the law needs to stipulate what "Reasonable Suspicion" means. Not just from the racial profiling aspect, but from the fact if police are unable to prove "Reasonable Suspicion" immigration courts have the right to toss cases out.

I don't know what you mean by police no longer have to interrogate suspected illegal aliens. I would suspect interrogation would be part of the process once an initial arrest is made. Unless they do a direct deportation without any judicial procedure, that would be some fucked up shit.

 

[Martin]

That's all you needed to say.

Really? That's where you set the bar? So I come up with any stupid suggestion and I'm suddenly eligible to criticize this?

 

[Enron]

Hardly.

Sure it is. Martin said it.

We have a problem. We need a solution. Here's a solution.

It's pretty much a knee jerk reaction to the cartel violence along the border.

 

[Bjerknes]

It's not so much the crackdown on illegal aliens, but the blatant disregard of the Constitution. The fining of companies that hire illegals is good, giving law enforcement the ability to arrest hardworking Americans because they're the wrong shade of brown is wrong. Sure they'll get a few illegals but the majority of the people arrested will more than likely be legal citizens who police think look like Mexicans. I mean look at Bill Richardson.

Arizona would have done better by making corporate employment records easier to obtain by law enforcement. That's where you find your illegals, not randomly picking up people off the streets.

The Constitution? Oh, you mean that thing disregarded completely by the last three Presidents, including the current one, if not more? The Patriot Act, the Unconstitutional bailouts, and Federal Reserve itself are all Constitutional?

Funny thing is, you never see anyone speak out those matters, but when the suspicion of racism is up for debate, only then can we whip out of the Constitution.

This is hypocrisy.