C,mon dude, try to surpass it.The fight is already over.
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It is not a fight and its not over till i say so or the fat lady sings
Seriously I do not fight , i have heated arguments at times but the one thing i certainly do not tolerate is not being able to criticise the team play when everyone knows it was nonsense and people who take criticisms badly like Lippi who will impose a press blackout whenever anyone dares questions his holiness
Neutrals who saw that game could not have been impressed with what was served up
Mate can i just ask you how come Lippi did not use Di vaio at all against Torino if he was unfit why was he on the bench against Torino?
Zalayeta is not that good but as long as he is available then you play him especially if you are playing at home, I just think Barcelona was there for the taking but we did not take advantage
Seriously I do not fight , i have heated arguments at times but the one thing i certainly do not tolerate is not being able to criticise the team play when everyone knows it was nonsense and people who take criticisms badly like Lippi who will impose a press blackout whenever anyone dares questions his holiness
Neutrals who saw that game could not have been impressed with what was served up
Mate can i just ask you how come Lippi did not use Di vaio at all against Torino if he was unfit why was he on the bench against Torino?
Zalayeta is not that good but as long as he is available then you play him especially if you are playing at home, I just think Barcelona was there for the taking but we did not take advantage
There are so many different ways to express yourself Denco.
About divaio and zalayeta, the only one that knows the answer to your quiestion is Lippi itself. Ask him.
An hipotesis is the out of shape of both players.
Personally, i would have played divaio the whole torino game, but after all, lippi is a professional in his job, he must have his own reasons. If what he did was good , i dont know, certainly the barca´s game could answer this question. bUt i htink is omre complex, he is not stupid, and if you and me would put divaio till the beggning, he caould have did that too.
About divaio and zalayeta, the only one that knows the answer to your quiestion is Lippi itself. Ask him.
An hipotesis is the out of shape of both players.
Personally, i would have played divaio the whole torino game, but after all, lippi is a professional in his job, he must have his own reasons. If what he did was good , i dont know, certainly the barca´s game could answer this question. bUt i htink is omre complex, he is not stupid, and if you and me would put divaio till the beggning, he caould have did that too.
Yes but the onus was not on Milan to attack as they were the away team and Ajax are a young team but the onus was on us to attack and we didn't do that
If Trapatoni picks his teams the way Lippi has , everyone will get on his case, please tell why is that?
I don't think the game was boring talking about juve vs barcelona just thought it was apoor match with the amount of quality players on show noone stood out, both defences were on top without anyone being outstanding
If Trapatoni picks his teams the way Lippi has , everyone will get on his case, please tell why is that?
I don't think the game was boring talking about juve vs barcelona just thought it was apoor match with the amount of quality players on show noone stood out, both defences were on top without anyone being outstanding
The reason that they get on Trap's case is because of the players he picks and the way his teams play, but its unfair to ask what he has won for italy as he as 2 trohies to go 4 and they are every 2 years and 4 years whilst Lippi with the same brand of football gets which i find dull and unexciting relying more on athletes than artistes does not seem to get blame at all when its plain to see that his decisions are wrong
I am knocking him but i personally don't think he will be a sucess at the Nt as he always seems to get it wrong in big matches
I am knocking him but i personally don't think he will be a sucess at the Nt as he always seems to get it wrong in big matches
I don't know... I can just suppose that it was "just in case" but he preferred to avoid to make him play. The only thing I can do is to assume Lippi words as "right" and he said that DV was not ready 4 playing a whole match.
Zalayeta had a lot of chances and he always failed... I think he can be useful in match with small teams, but not with teams like Barca.
Maybe is better to have a mieldfield more than a useless striker.
Than of course we can not know what it wuould happen with him, but anycase he is not one of this player who does the difference, so...
I agree with this, I think the arguments are not born 4 what you say, cause in a forum everybody can say what he want and cause is normal to have different opinions but 4 the way you say them, it looks like you always pretend to hold the truth. With this I'm not saying you really mean that but it looks like that.
Last thing (also 4 Vinny) we can't compare Lippi attitude in this match with Trapattoni... one thing is get scared and defend vs teams like South Korea (!!!) an other one is doing it with a team at your same level like Barca.
It's always better to dominate, but sometimes is just not avoidable to end defending the results (ther's always 2 teams in the field)... doing it vs Barcellona and with many players not in perfect schape isn't a "crime".
Zalayeta had a lot of chances and he always failed... I think he can be useful in match with small teams, but not with teams like Barca.
Maybe is better to have a mieldfield more than a useless striker.
Than of course we can not know what it wuould happen with him, but anycase he is not one of this player who does the difference, so...
I agree with this, I think the arguments are not born 4 what you say, cause in a forum everybody can say what he want and cause is normal to have different opinions but 4 the way you say them, it looks like you always pretend to hold the truth. With this I'm not saying you really mean that but it looks like that.
Last thing (also 4 Vinny) we can't compare Lippi attitude in this match with Trapattoni... one thing is get scared and defend vs teams like South Korea (!!!) an other one is doing it with a team at your same level like Barca.
It's always better to dominate, but sometimes is just not avoidable to end defending the results (ther's always 2 teams in the field)... doing it vs Barcellona and with many players not in perfect schape isn't a "crime".
I wish i could apologise for what i have said or the way i say them but I am sorry I cannot, it all depends on my respect for your posts or football knowledge i suppose. If i have respect for your posts you will be able to tell, if i don't it will be obvious as well .
You are good in taking cheap shots so i will let it go
You are good in taking cheap shots so i will let it go
The truth is that all the Juve fans do not care of the scudetto, they want the CL!!! On this I'm agree and I'm agree that Lippi made many mistakes, but I also think that the team itself isn't the strongest in the CL, Barca, Real and Man Ut have IMO more value in the field, that's why I don't feel like giving Lippi all the fault.Onestly I think that Juve do not deserve the CL, we can win it just if we are VERY lucky... and that's why I cannot condamn Lippi, the players he has are not better than the players of Barca and of others CL teams with Trap the situation is different cause he managed to loose with everybody even with teams weare the players will not even play in serie B.
P.S.: Inter did the same thing vs Valencia, scored and than defend and it paid.
What does it matter if they cannot play in SerieB, anyone with any football knowledge will tell you that once a player plays for his country he plays about 200% of his own capabilities especially the so called weaker countries and in big competitions like the wc and its harder for the bigger nations as theyhave nothing to gain but everything tolose and thatbrings its own pressure
But in club level , everyone wants to play in the big matches most especially when its being televised worldwide so the big name players should perform whether its barcelona or real madrid or juventus
Then they say I am condescending
But in club level , everyone wants to play in the big matches most especially when its being televised worldwide so the big name players should perform whether its barcelona or real madrid or juventus
Then they say I am condescending
"anyone with any football knowledge...."
So how it comes that WC is never winned by Trinitad and Tobego or Saudi Arabia???
I think that a coach has a hight responsability when he loose with a team objetvily inferior not when he loose or draw with somebody at the same level if not stronger...
If the post before was 4 me bear in mind that (as you already know) I cannot care less whatever you respect or not my posts, I don't give any importance to your opinion cause to judge others football knowledge it's needed to have one, so....
Anycase befoore talking about "cheap schots" look at yourself, you're the last one who can make comments on what somebody else write
So how it comes that WC is never winned by Trinitad and Tobego or Saudi Arabia???
I think that a coach has a hight responsability when he loose with a team objetvily inferior not when he loose or draw with somebody at the same level if not stronger...
If the post before was 4 me bear in mind that (as you already know) I cannot care less whatever you respect or not my posts, I don't give any importance to your opinion cause to judge others football knowledge it's needed to have one, so....
Anycase befoore talking about "cheap schots" look at yourself, you're the last one who can make comments on what somebody else write
Imvho, Lippi should have started with his favoured 4-3-1-2 (with Zala and DP upfront) because he knew fully well that we would need to score, and score more than once, because even if we had won, taking a 1-0 lead to Catalonia isn't good enough, and as most of you have already said, playing Del Piero as a lone striker is just plain stupid....
P.S. I reckon we will still qualify, but not Inter.
P.S. I reckon we will still qualify, but not Inter.