Juventus - Barcelona (14 Viewers)

[Hydde]

++ [ originally posted by denco ] ++
But in club level , everyone wants to play in the big matches most especially when its being televised worldwide so the big name players should perform whether its barcelona or real madrid or juventus

Then they say I am condescending

Cmon, of course that counts, after all they are humans and who said that when delpiero plays for juve, he is 100 times better than when he plays with the azurri?.

It doesntr matter. You want to know why madrid win tha games???. Because before everymacth, they already know that they will win, that is the madrid moral, a winning one, plus they have a better roster than juve. The players are humans too, and fell the pressure when play against big teams,,especially whe sometime so important like the chamipons league is between them.
Of course, all the games treze and delpiero wanted to score lots of goal,,and before the game they are mainly thinking "ill win ill score" but when you are in the field and things go in the wrong way, it is not so easy to deal.

 

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[Hydde]

++ [ originally posted by mate ] ++
"If the post before was 4 me bear in mind that (as you already know) I cannot care less whatever you respect or not my posts, I don't give any importance to your opinion cause to judge others football knowledge it's needed to have one , so....

else write

That is the part that i was missing in a post before!.

well said.

 

[Layce Erayce]

hey hows the weather guys?

 

[Hydde]

Like sunny day, but with some black clouds,,now is better.

 

[Hydde]

 

[Tom]

++ [ originally posted by lacrease ] ++
hey hows the weather guys?

great way to break the tension lac

 

[Layce Erayce]

hey i try u plan on staying online more than .5 seconds so i can say hi tom?

 

[Tom]

I'm a busy man

 

[Layce Erayce]

yeah but i needed to talk

 

[denco]

++ [ originally posted by Hydde ] ++


Cmon, of course that counts, after all they are humans and who said that when delpiero plays for juve, he is 100 times better than when he plays with the azurri?.

It doesntr matter. You want to know why madrid win tha games???. Because before everymacth, they already know that they will win, that is the madrid moral, a winning one, plus they have a better roster than juve. The players are humans too, and fell the pressure when play against big teams,,especially whe sometime so important like the chamipons league is between them.
Of course, all the games treze and delpiero wanted to score lots of goal,,and before the game they are mainly thinking "ill win ill score" but when you are in the field and things go in the wrong way, it is not so easy to deal.

What the h*** has this got to do with anything? Mate says Trap should be abused because he is afraid of players who are more or less serieB players but I am saying that whether they are SerieB players or not, when they were their country's colours they give 200% and so are difficult to beat

Then he comes up with the absurd statement that what has Trinidad and Tobago won? They may not have won anything but if they do qualify for the world cup they will give 200%
he also mentioned Saudi Arabia but apart from the last wc and without world renown players they have done well in the previous wcs

I am not tallking baout established world renown players, I am talking about the so called smaller nations which are being ridiculed.

Nobody takes as much pride as playing for their countries like Croatians and didin't Mexico totally outplay Italy in the wc

Sweden, Norway and Denmark do not have individuals but as a team they are compact, play out of their skins and usually make their countries proud so noone has a divine right to beat anyone

But the fact still remains at club level when the Man u's and the juves and real madrids of this world meet, you expect better from these teams and as the home team , the onus was on us to perform better, so okay we had some fitness problems but thats not an excuse to play Tudor in the middle and then say you wanted him topush forward and all sorts of strange selections

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by Paolo_Montero ] ++


great way to break the tension lac

When he tried the same way in other thread, he suddenly felt a clap of thunder

 

[mate]

WC is the most important tournament of a player life and EVERY player try to do the best there, players from so called "lesser nation" and also of stronger nation, especially big champions are well known to base all their season on WC, often not giving their best 4 their team during the year, too keep energy cause WC is weare they will have consacration. The same in CL... usually it is mixed with the championschip, but I exclude that somebody just go in the field "not caring" too mutch of a match as well, especially when it's a "in or out" match.

OK

The point still: 4 Italy is a schame to loose with Korea... to loose with France or with a team the same level is "normal" or anycase "acceptable", it just can happen. The same 4 Juventus it is not dramatic to draw with Barcellona cause it's a team at the same level so everything can happen while it will be unaccpetable to be kicked out from some unknown crappy team.

Looks so easy to understand

 

[Stevie]

If Juve play well i think they will win, they know now what must be done and im feeling Lippi won't screw up this time.He said Trez will be back.....i hope he is not just saying dat to keep us happy.

 

[mate]

++ [ originally posted by Stevie11 ] ++
If Juve play well i think they will win, they know now what must be done and im feeling Lippi won't screw up this time.He said Trez will be back.....i hope he is not just saying dat to keep us happy.

It will depend on Treze... Actually the rumors about his injury are confused... But looks like he don't need any surgery and he will be back in 2 weeks... let's belive it, this is the official version. But I'm worry too...

 

[Stevie]

I don't think Barca deserve to go through to the semis because dispite a poor performance Barca never really put much into the game and ended up getting a flukey late goal.The Juve players tried hard dispite the fact that Lippi wasn't doing them any favours and in this secound leg if Lippi can get things right and Trezugeut will play we having every chance of winnging dispite our poor away performance and last night showed that Barca are anything but unbeatable!

 

[denco]

Whatever , Trapatoni like almost every Italian manager is always cautious no matter the opposition

Speaking of Lippi , was it not just last saturday against 8 men that Fatori was 1 on 1 with Buffon and almost equalised but no there is no shame in that as its Lippi

And of cos the football lesson that Man united were taught was irrelevant becos they are both big teams,and if Real madrid decided to think like us and not go for the throat , they won't have beaten Man united like that. That has always been the Italian problem in football, adjusting your team to suit the opposition instead of putting out a team to win , put out a team not to lose
the fact remains it does not matter who you are, drawing a game you should win by being defensive is your fault and i just feel with that lineup we won't have beaten Como

Call me crazy but I am of the belief that drawing at home against Barcelona is just as bad as drawing at home with Modena at home, and its a defeatist attitude to say losing or drawing against your peer or equal is acceptable

In cl or any knockout competitons you should always try and win ur home games preferably do not concede and score away whosoever the opposition is, Real madrid or Real Oviedo

 

[mate]

IMO we have 50%.
It's a match we can't prevent too mutch, everything can happen, I think the teams are at the same level cause Barca maybe have more quality in the field but Juve is more a team and is more "rocky". IMO Barca can "collapse" if is attakked strongly cause has not such a good defence and also their goalkeeper sucks but when you let them play is the end....

 

[Stevie]

Does any one know if the Juve-Barca secound leg will be showed on ITV2 again?

 

[mate]

++ [ originally posted by denco ] ++
Whatever , Trapatoni like almost every Italian manager is always cautious no matter the opposition

Speaking of Lippi , was it not just last saturday against 8 men that Fatori was 1 on 1 with Buffon and almost equalised but no there is no shame in that as its Lippi

And of cos the football lesson that Man united were taught was irrelevant becos they are both big teams,and if Real madrid decided to think like us and not go for the throat , they won't have beaten Man united like that. That has always been the Italian problem in football, adjusting your team to suit the opposition instead of putting out a team to win , put out a team not to lose
the fact remains it does not matter who you are, drawing a game you should win by being defensive is your fault and i just feel with that lineup we won't have beaten Como

Call me crazy but I am of the belief that drawing at home against Barcelona is just as bad as drawing at home with Modena at home, and its a defeatist attitude to say losing or drawing against your peer or equal is acceptable

In cl or any knockout competitons you should always try and win ur home games preferably do not concede and score away whosoever the opposition is, Real madrid or Real Oviedo

I agree with this post
Is just that I want to think that Juve didn't start with the idea of drawing... is just that they wheare not superior than Barca and they could do anything better. With this I do not mean that we are out of the CL, is just that yesterday we had missing players and Nedved in bad conditions. With the team at 100% we are not inferior than Barca, but IMO Lippi (also if he did some mistakes), can not be condamned 4 the results of yesterday cause he had "less value" then Antic.

Also in serie A he did mistake but we are leading and we are not the team with the best players (Milan, Inter and even Roma has more value), so he may had his merits... On this he's not my favourite coach but he is doing well if you compare the player he has and the results.

 

[Hydde]

++ [ originally posted by mate ] ++


I agree with this post
Is just that I want to think that Juve didn't start with the idea of drawing... is just that they wheare not superior than Barca and they could do anything better. With this I do not mean that we are out of the CL, is just that yesterday we had missing players and Nedved in bad conditions. With the team at 100% we are not inferior than Barca, but IMO Lippi (also if he did some mistakes), can not be condamned 4 the results of yesterday cause he had "less value" then Antic.

Also in serie A he did mistake but we are leading and we are not the team with the best players (Milan, Inter and even Roma has more value), so he may had his merits... On this he's not my favourite coach but he is doing well if you compare the player he has and the results.

of course! no one said that we are out, we can? we played bad?? well they were worse , cuz we were with our key players all out of fit, in the other hand, thwy were with his best player, playing at his best, and havindg a lot of problems with our crappy defense.

If juve plays with all the players in his max,,and a moderate defence, like yesterday´s, of course we can win.

About the italian coaches,, that is no mystery, his defensive behavior kille themselves.