Indeed thaty would be the likely meaning... however as i said to jeeks... If a player has to be that quality to play for us... that would sugest that all the players we have are of a certain quality... As if they need to be Juve material... then those that are here must be that... which is clearly not the case... Every team we've ever had has had some very average players amongst it... As such a juve material must be a meaningless phrase...
that the new kids do not respect you. that they do not know that you know so much about juve that anything you say is the absolute truth. that your opinion is fact.
yeah on a more serious note, i actually meant the naivity (is that a word) of some so called juventus fans
No need... you use that picture as a symbol... now whether you like it or not.. that is a picture of a group of fascist cunts... If you then use it in relation to Juve you look to our "supporter" group 'Drughi' who are also indeed fascist cunts...
Dont believe i did actually... Sarcasm was fairly clear.
As for the subject at hand, Why would i ask for info on that when i'm a season ticket holder... I can see whats going on for myself thanks.
As for asking you... why would I... You have innacuracies in your profile,not to mention you say your location is italy yet you post on a blueyonder account... So why would i ask a person I know little of and have no idea how often you have actually been to turin, if at all.
As for the post,its allmost a carbon copy rip off, off of a certain site that we all know and equally know is full of half baked part truth stories from a man who has never been in the position to actually know what he is writing about...
The point wasn't to discredit the club... For fucks sake.. why in the world would i have followed this club around the world for over 30 years if i want to discredit it?
Its simply a statement made all the time here (and to be fair by many other groups of fans of various teams)... I'm simply asking what people here think "juve material" means when they / it is used...
If you look to the most basic options, as i listed in the first post they can all be discredited with absolute ease... whether we talk of character of players (the ones ive mentioned plus a never ending list i could mention without even thinking)... quality of players (again we have had as many bad (in any way you wish to take that) as anyone else... The character of the club... again discredited so easy from the days of being part of the mussolini propaganda wagon through many controversies to the present day scandal...
We are no different to any other major club... We have/had good and bad a like in all quarters at all points....
Theres no winning or losing here...
If there was i would be jotting down the details of the 30 odd players (many club legends) i can show to be classless off the top of my head... The numerous blackmarks throughout the history of our club... etc etc... But i'm not...
It was jus a simple question that someone felt the need to reply with some incredibly naive, biased, incorrect rubbish to ... rather than actually think about the question and look at it for what it is... Maybe that was too much to ask... maybe inteligent conversation on the thoughts and attitudes of various fans etc was a step too far... who knows...
some people call juventus a classy club, as opposed to, say, inter as trashy club. therefore juve material = classy players, e.g. del piero. which is loads of tosh. the latest example being trez.
in general, juve material = world class = milan material = inter material = man utd, chelsea, barca etc material.
no no, del piero is epitome of class, we've had plenty of classy players like him as well, but people forget that juventus isnt as clean as they think it is.
ffs, we had montero who has a record for red cards in serie a
Mods, please don't close this thread. It's still an issue on this forum and people use the term "Juventus material" so freely that it needs to be discussed.
Taken from the other thread:
Respaul said:
Juve Material?
This a phrase bandied about all over this forum by various posters on various subjects with seemingly various meanings.
So what the hell is supposed to mean??
We've seen it used in relation to success / quality all the way through many guises to moral fortitude....
Are we talking:
A players ability / quality?
A players trophy haul?
A players character?
In relation to:
the teams quality?
the teams trophy cabinet?
the teams character ?
the teams standing?
etc, etc
(all of which can be knocked down with absolute ease btw)
So what is it?
To me its a falacy, a term generally used by people with little reasoning to their argument... A term used by supporters of almost every team you care to mention.
But, hey, thats why i'm asking...
Also what is the difference between your 'Juve material' and a barca fans 'barca material' or 'manu material' or 'milan material' etc etc
This topic is actually very relevant to the forum. People flash around this "Juve material" stuff all the time, yet they don't even know what it means. Paul did a good job arguing the matter.