I've got 99 hairy Luftballons but Led Zep ain't one (3 Viewers)
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Someone on the page before said I don't like the doors? I fucking love the doors.
When I started playin guitar when i was 13, I had heard all the names - led zep, queen, jimi, the doors, the beatles etc. and I was told that they were great and blah blah blah blah. by other guitarists. My guitar teacher refused to teach me modern music and told me how to play bluesgrass, stuff like that link I posted on the page before - he didn't say anything bad about the other music other than - he could teach me how to play modern music but it would be a waste of time because its easy and i could teach myself it, bluesgrass takes years and years to perfect and develop your own style and is a style that can be performed in front of an audience and amaze them with just one instrument. When i took to teaching my self 'modern' music, I had already spent two years listening the bluesgrass all the time and found the majority of it disapointing (pink floyd, led zep beatles, and i always hated queen) and soulless and then when I found a lot of articles that accused led zep, with a lot of proof, of stealing songs it completely turned me off them. Not all modern music is awful, i fucking love a lot of 60s psyc, 60s folk, 60s blues but it just disapoints me that people like Led Zep get so much attention and no one knows Mississippi John Hurt or Bert Jansch or Doc Watson etc. and most modern artists just name check Mr Johnson or Leadbelly or Muddy and they don't really listen to them. Its one of the reasons I respect Keith Richards so much, he is so in touch with his musical roots and he always has been and has also innovated and researched and immersed himself in blues music, he goes into a lot more detail in his autobiography but he would always sneak off after gigs to go to blues bars and check out artists and talk to them about how they play and learn new techniques. Keith's a Hero.
When I started playin guitar when i was 13, I had heard all the names - led zep, queen, jimi, the doors, the beatles etc. and I was told that they were great and blah blah blah blah. by other guitarists. My guitar teacher refused to teach me modern music and told me how to play bluesgrass, stuff like that link I posted on the page before - he didn't say anything bad about the other music other than - he could teach me how to play modern music but it would be a waste of time because its easy and i could teach myself it, bluesgrass takes years and years to perfect and develop your own style and is a style that can be performed in front of an audience and amaze them with just one instrument. When i took to teaching my self 'modern' music, I had already spent two years listening the bluesgrass all the time and found the majority of it disapointing (pink floyd, led zep beatles, and i always hated queen) and soulless and then when I found a lot of articles that accused led zep, with a lot of proof, of stealing songs it completely turned me off them. Not all modern music is awful, i fucking love a lot of 60s psyc, 60s folk, 60s blues but it just disapoints me that people like Led Zep get so much attention and no one knows Mississippi John Hurt or Bert Jansch or Doc Watson etc. and most modern artists just name check Mr Johnson or Leadbelly or Muddy and they don't really listen to them. Its one of the reasons I respect Keith Richards so much, he is so in touch with his musical roots and he always has been and has also innovated and researched and immersed himself in blues music, he goes into a lot more detail in his autobiography but he would always sneak off after gigs to go to blues bars and check out artists and talk to them about how they play and learn new techniques. Keith's a Hero.
Let's take Stairway for example...everyone got so hung up over the fact the intro melody sounds similar to Spirit's - Taurus. In a (almost) 9 minute song, it's the 10 second guitar melody that counts...OK. Listen 44 seconds in, that's what it's about.
Now Spirit claimed they ripped them off and all the haters jumped on board and said damn straight, it sounds just the same. Well OK, but Spirit in fact "stole" from Davy Graham(you'd be deaf not to hear the similarity). Spirit didn't give credits as well. Beginning, 22 seconds in, the end..
Now who did Davy Graham steal it from? Justin Timberlake?
Now onto Whole Lotta Love. Ok, some the words are obviously borrowed from Willie Dixon(Muddy's version), so much is true. But the music is completely different.
Little is known that if they stole from anyone, they "stole" from Small Faces(Plant was a huge fan of Steve Marriot and it's obvious in the way he sings it) who pretty much covered Dixon's song, the music, the words and renamed it "You Need Loving" and released it without giving credits.
Not much fuss was given to them. I wonder why... Maybe because they didn't make Zepp's millions.
If you dig hard enough, you can find similarities in pretty much every song...that especially goes for the blues. It's not a coincidence a shitload of artists all sang the same songs(Willie Dixon wrote songs for pretty much every significant blues artist ever). Some put something new in one, the other picked up on it and the music grew and we got blues/rock and we got prog/rock and hard/rock, etc..but it all came from way down south. So if we're gonna give credit to anyone, lets give it to Robert Johnson who did everything before everyone.
You can hate zepp(though i swear for the life of me, I can't understand how you can not appreciate Queen) but don't diss on them for stealing, everybody steals.
I agree with you, there are a lot of artists who didn't get enough credit but that doesn't make popular bands music any less incredible, they made it popular for a reason and defined a generation.
Now Spirit claimed they ripped them off and all the haters jumped on board and said damn straight, it sounds just the same. Well OK, but Spirit in fact "stole" from Davy Graham(you'd be deaf not to hear the similarity). Spirit didn't give credits as well. Beginning, 22 seconds in, the end..
Now who did Davy Graham steal it from? Justin Timberlake?
Now onto Whole Lotta Love. Ok, some the words are obviously borrowed from Willie Dixon(Muddy's version), so much is true. But the music is completely different.
Little is known that if they stole from anyone, they "stole" from Small Faces(Plant was a huge fan of Steve Marriot and it's obvious in the way he sings it) who pretty much covered Dixon's song, the music, the words and renamed it "You Need Loving" and released it without giving credits.
Not much fuss was given to them. I wonder why... Maybe because they didn't make Zepp's millions.
If you dig hard enough, you can find similarities in pretty much every song...that especially goes for the blues. It's not a coincidence a shitload of artists all sang the same songs(Willie Dixon wrote songs for pretty much every significant blues artist ever). Some put something new in one, the other picked up on it and the music grew and we got blues/rock and we got prog/rock and hard/rock, etc..but it all came from way down south. So if we're gonna give credit to anyone, lets give it to Robert Johnson who did everything before everyone.
You can hate zepp(though i swear for the life of me, I can't understand how you can not appreciate Queen) but don't diss on them for stealing, everybody steals.
I agree with you, there are a lot of artists who didn't get enough credit but that doesn't make popular bands music any less incredible, they made it popular for a reason and defined a generation.
I find Jim Morrison can get a bit pretentious but robby krieger was a cool guitarist and the dude on the hammond organ rocked it, check out peace frog 
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Yes, but this rests on a profound misunderstanding in our culture, that ideas "belong" to people and that if you had a good idea that makes you incredibly impressive and a genius. All culture comes from previous culture, for some reason noone gets this.
Robert gets too much credit, he really wasn't that famous until years after his death. Blind Lemon Jefferson, Muddy and Leadbelly etc. were far more inluential than Robert Johnson until the late 60s and then the stones name checking him and covering 'love in vain' triggered a ressurgance of worldwide interest in him and now everyone listens to him.
If you want to play the game of chasing roots to argue against me, you should have used Canned Heat and also that musical history goes back to 16th century france...
---------- Post added 17.03.2012 at 12:18 ----------
I was explaining why i like them, przepraszam
If you want to play the game of chasing roots to argue against me, you should have used Canned Heat and also that musical history goes back to 16th century france...
---------- Post added 17.03.2012 at 12:18 ----------
I was explaining why i like them, przepraszam
Robert gets too much credit, he really wasn't that famous until years after his death. Blind Lemon Jefferson, Muddy and Leadbelly etc. were far more inluential than Robert Johnson until the late 60s and then the stones name checking him and covering 'love in vain' triggered a ressurgance of worldwide interest in him and now everyone listens to him.
If you want to play the game of chasing roots to argue against me, you should have used Canned Heat and also that musical history goes back to 16th century france...
---------- Post added 17.03.2012 at 12:18 ----------
I was explaining why i like them, przepraszam
If you want to play the game of chasing roots to argue against me, you should have used Canned Heat and also that musical history goes back to 16th century france...
---------- Post added 17.03.2012 at 12:18 ----------
I was explaining why i like them, przepraszam
