italia vs Czech Republic(22/06/2006) (19 Viewers)

giovanotti

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Stephan said:
anyway its not that could for italy, either way.

Who knows what could have happened if italy and czechs would have met last week, what i mean is that brukner knows now what where the mistakes why they lost to ghana, he can make tactical changes even if baros and koller are both out. he can analyse what where the biggest problems and etc.
They will be well prepared for this game, ghana was a wakeup call for them.

But then again, they will miss key player in defens, ulfajusi.
Wasn't the game against the USA also a wakeup call for us?
 

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GRK

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giovanotti said:
Wasn't the game against the USA also a wakeup call for us?
Indeed it was. Without it, Italy would have been on a high and lost in the quarter finals or something.
The USA game was just what they needed to bring them to ground and make Italy mount a good World Cup challenge. Who knows, maybe that's what will make them capable of winning the cup.
 

giovanotti

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Stephan said:
italy midfield has to play well in this match, especially rino-pirlo who will have to keep back nedved and rosicky.

Even if they miss strikers, those two have a good shot on goal.
Exactly,they can hit the target easily and watching the game against Ghana and USA we left a man with a ball alone in several occasions,which could coast us another conceded goal...in our first game Essien was the man who might use that opportunity,but he didn't,and I think that it was a part of the tactic to leave unmarked the guy who can't shot the ball well.
Against the USA ,we left Mastroeni unmarked just once(in the first half) and he almost scored from the long distance.
 

giovanotti

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Indeed it was. Without it, Italy would have been on a high and lost in the quarter finals or something.
The USA game was just what they needed to bring them to ground and make Italy mount a good World Cup challenge. Who knows, maybe that's what will make them capable of winning the cup.
GRK,I'm wondering why Brasil don't have some wakeup calls...they are heading thru the final without a need of the wakeup calls.

I hope that this wakeup call won't be the same as Juve's lucky pass by Wise's mistake...that mistake and our luck should have been a wakeup call....at the end it was everything but the waking up.
 

GRK

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Actually when it comes to Brasil, I have a feeling they're going to lose much earlier than anyone expected. Just a hunch.
 

giovanotti

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GRK said:
Actually when it comes to Brasil, I have a feeling they're going to lose much earlier than anyone expected. Just a hunch.
I hope so...but for the first time they don't look like theeeee "Brasil", I think that they pay attention to a tactical part of the game much more than in the previous campaigns,and all that combined with only 3 or 4 atractive moves per game.
 

Juve_25

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GRK said:
Actually when it comes to Brasil, I have a feeling they're going to lose much earlier than anyone expected. Just a hunch.
I'm sure about that too. I knew they were not going to be as good as everybody says.
 

Juve_25

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giovanotti said:
I hope so...but for the first time they don't look like theeeee "Brasil", I think that they pay attention to a tactical part of the game much more than in the previous campaigns,and all that combined with only 3 or 4 atractive moves per game.
:agree:

BTW, its just me or Ronaldinho is playing like crap..?
 

Stephan

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giovanotti said:
Wasn't the game against the USA also a wakeup call for us?
depends what you have in mind.

I wouldnt actually say it was wake up call for italy in how to play or something, we got our goal, nice start. then italy was unlucky with zaccardo goal.

There is differant kind of wake up call. Its mistakes, causing mistakes and that referees give cards easily. Thats the real wakeup call.

And thats for both teams, because czechs also lost a player with red card.

Ofcourse we could say that italy didnt take their chanses against usa. but it was a unusual situation, not always you see 3 red cards in one match. Both teams gameplan, tactics changed a lot.

Italy subs totti with rino after they lost de rossi, to change more defensive, but later on it seemed that the player we needed was totti, when usa lost 2 players. I mean we saw rino attacking :D

So i wouldnt say it was a wakeup call in terms of playing, it was a wakeup call in terms of making mistakes.
 

giovanotti

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Juve_25 said:
:agree:

BTW, its just me or Ronaldinho is playing like crap..?
..or he is playing out of his position...seems that he is a victim of the tactics,which is quite unusual for the Brasilians.

Adriano and Ronaldo are paired in the attack while it looks that Ronaldinho is not even a striker support....Kaka looks me much more offensive while Ronaldinho seems to have an allround midfield task....It looks me like that.:)
 

Stephan

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Juve_25 said:
I agree Gio. It was more a wakeup call for us than for Czech, I'm really sure about that.
i would disagree here. it was the other way around. czechs tatcits didnt work at all, they let in 2 goals, and could have let in more. italy got atleast a point. czechs played without koller and baros, now they know what to do differantly. Italy didnt had any serious injury problems when they faced usa. It was also bad refering, i am not talking about red cards, but the ammount of offsides, which some where wrong.
 

Juve_25

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giovanotti said:
..or he is playing out of his position...seems that he is a victim of the tactics,which is quite unusual for the Brasilians.

Adriano and Ronaldo are paired in the attack while it looks that Ronaldinho is not even a striker support....Kaka looks me much more offensive while Ronaldinho seems to have an allround midfield task....It looks me like that.:)
Maybe. He is used to be almost a second striker in barça. He only has Eto'o in front and Deco at his side. Now he has Ronaldo and Adriano in front and Kaka (I mean KAKA!!!) at his side. Its very different from how he is used to play. You are right once again Gio :D:p
 

giovanotti

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Stephan said:
depends what you have in mind.

I wouldnt actually say it was wake up call for italy in how to play or something, we got our goal, nice start. then italy was unlucky with zaccardo goal.

There is differant kind of wake up call. Its mistakes, causing mistakes and that referees give cards easily. Thats the real wakeup call.

And thats for both teams, because czechs also lost a player with red card.

Ofcourse we could say that italy didnt take their chanses against usa. but it was a unusual situation, not always you see 3 red cards in one match. Both teams gameplan, tacitcs changed a lot.

Italy subs totti with rino after they lost de rossi, to chanse more defensive, but later on it seemed that the player we needed was totti, when usa lost 2 players. I mean we saw rino attacking :D

So i wouldnt say it was a wakeup call in terms of playing, it was a wakeup call in terms of making mistakes.
Yes,I saw a lot of tactical changes there...for example,when Lippi decided to put all in the attack(after Arena left only Mc Bride in the attack),he subbed Zaccardo with Del Piero,and change it to 3-3-3....just a seconds after that Arena put Damarcus Beasley,a player able for a counter attacks....

But is it possible to beat Cech(Ghanians could easily beat Czechs with 4 or 5 goals difference,but thanx to Cech they didn't),and we didn't manage to beat Keller with with 3 attackers?????
 

Stephan

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about cech, relax, i saw that game and it was just the african style, they tried but they were no focused 100%. They should have used the chanse, should have scored more. It wasnt cech brilliance, yes he made some good saves, but it was more the bad ideas of attacking from ghana.
 

Vinman

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ZAF3000 said:
We could see:

----------------------- Buffon
Zambrotta -- Nesta ---- Cannavaro --- Grosso
---Camoranesi -- Gattuso --- Pirlo
---------------------Totti
------------- Toni/Pippo -- Del Piero

And if it happens, this could be the best Italian formation :)

I can agree with this formation

I also wouldnt mind seeing Oddo on the right, and Zamby on the left

enough of the bullshit that I read from the Azzurri camp that a draw would be fine...fuck that !! :ferocious

I want a convincing win that will boost our confidence, and also avoid Brazil in round 2, and catch them in the final (if Argentina doesnt beat them in the semi's)
 

Morra10

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Vinman said:
I can agree with this formation

I also wouldnt mind seeing Oddo on the right, and Zamby on the left

enough of the bullshit that I read from the Azzurri camp that a draw would be fine...fuck that !! :ferocious

I want a convincing win that will boost our confidence, and also avoid Brazil in round 2, and catch them in the final (if Argentina doesnt beat them in the semi's)

zambo would be good down the right with cammo playing down their. they know eachother well seeing how they have been playing together for a while. it will be a good 1 - 2 punch with those to down the right. i cant see lippi not starting a very in form del piero. He was probably the best player for italy against the u.s.a and has had great training sessions.
 

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