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Vlad

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You are not seriously trying to compare getting relegated for match-fixing in 2006 that we weren't actually doing, having arguably the continents strongest team (on paper) disbanded, losing most of our star players, many to rivals in Serie A, being stripped of two scudetto, the tarnished reputation globally, and the untold financial damage this did to us... to Roma and Napoli complaining that they have lost 1 or 2 titles in 100 years because of a debatable penalty given here, and not there, a debatable red card here and not there, etc. Not even on the same scale. And worse, every time we have something come up now, or a controversial decision in a Juve match, the rest of Serie A immediately labels us cheaters and brings up Calciopoli as proof of this.
No, you're missing the point. This is the difference between clubs like Roma or Napoli and Juventus. Instead of harping about the events in 2006 we worked hard to re-establish ourselves at the top, doubled our revenues in the process, built a modern venue... and we have an ongoing process infront of the civil court concerning Calciopolli. We are an example to follow in Italy and we always were. Lo stile Juve.


Besides, open your eyes, no league is ever going to come close to the PL in terms of TV deals, regardless of how strong. English as a sort of world language provides an advantage there. But we can massively increase our sponsorships and have a Bundesliga dichotomy of 1 great team like Bayern (2 in rare years) and a bunch of mediocrity. I'd much prefer that. I hope nothing but misery and defeat for every single pathetic club in this league.
German economy>>>>>>>Italian economy

Most of their commercial income comes from German companies like Allianz, Audi, T mobile, Adidas, etc... Bundesliga attracts less interest abroad than Serie a, but they have strong economy to back their clubs, while with the current state of Italian economy Italians need to look abroad in search for better sponsors and since they have historically more relevant clubs it will be less dificult for them to promote their teams, but getting more European exposure is crucial.
 

Vlad

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It's not like economy directs the quality of league. Look at Spain.

Or at a lesser extent England.
Real and Barcelona generate enormous income, but large chunk of if comes from abroad as they are the most popular clubs in the world. Their commercial revenues are more than 150m each. Other Spanish clubs are miserable when it comes to earnings.

EPL clubs have obnoxiously rich owners.

Bundesliga clubs are backed with their great economy.

Serie A? We need to look abroad to increase our earnings and the league needs to regain some of its appeal to attract better deals and better players.

Serie A was at its peak when clubs had wealthy owners that would every year pour their money into clubs coffers. Parma challenged for the title back in the 90es and was formidable Europan side. They were backed by Parmalat during that time. Once the company went bunkrupt the same fate had befallen Parma.

Lazio had Cragnotti, Inter Moratti, Milan Berlusconi, Fiorentina Cecchi Gorri, etc... Money was generated from Italian companies through sponsorship deals and those seemed to run their business fairly well at that time.
 
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    Real and Barcelona generate enormous income, but large chunk of if comes from abroad as they are the most popular clubs in the world. Their commercial revenues are more than 150m each. Other Spanish clubs are miserable when it comes to earnings.

    EPL clubs have obnoxiously rich owners.

    Bundesliga clubs are backed with their great economy.

    Serie A? We need to look abroad to increase our earnings and the league needs to regain some of its appeal to attract better deals and better players.

    Serie A was at its peak when clubs had wealthy owners that would every year pour their money into clubs coffers. Parma challenged for the title back in the 90es and was formidable Europan side. They were backed by Parmalat during that time. Once the company went bunkrupt the same fate had befallen Parma.

    Lazio had Cragnotti, Inter Moratti, Milan Berlusconi, Fiorentina Cecchi Gorri, etc... Money was generated from Italian companies through sponsorship deals and those seemed to run their business fairly well at that time.
    Everything was different in the past. I think you're exaggerating, there's no way countries economy just 'backs' the club like you say. Once privatization happened being backed by country didn't mean much. Nowadays it's a country that benefits from a club, not viceversa. They get an attraction for country, they boost their economy, they tax them (clubs) etc.

    What country provides to clubs is infrastructure (not just stadiums, more roads and other transport lines). Not much more than that.
     

    Vlad

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    Everything was different in the past. I think you're exaggerating, there's no way countries economy just 'backs' the club like you say. Once privatization happened being backed by country didn't mean much. Nowadays it's a country that benefits from a club, not viceversa. They get an attraction for country, they boost their economy, they tax them (clubs) etc.

    What country provides to clubs is infrastructure (not just stadiums, more roads and other transport lines). Not much more than that.
    German companies are part of their economy and the way they run their business has therefore repercussions on macroeconomic indicators such as GDP, employment rate, interest rate, etc... Basically they determine the state of economy. German clubs benefit from current expansion in their economical cycle as their companies are highly profitable and are able to pay top Euro for various sponsorship deals. Simple really and Bayern is prime example of that when it comes to football.
     
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    German companies are part of their economy and the way they run their business has therefore repercussions on macroeconomic indicators such as GDP, empleyment rate, interest rate, etc... Basically they determine the state of economy. German clubs benefit from current expansion in their economical cycle as their companies are highly profitable and are able to pay top Euro for various sponsorship deals. Simple really.
    You make it sound like their economy grew over night. Germany always had amazing economy and that's just a fact, so what you're saying holds no ground.

    As for cycle, you could say that about Russia, that made a huge boost in their economy over the past 15 years or so. They are a super force right now, yet you're not seeing such football.

    You're over-analyzing stuff. It's not like that -- simple really.
     

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    You make it sound like their economy grew over night. Germany always had amazing economy and that's just a fact, so what you're saying holds no ground.

    As for cycle, you could say that about Russia, that made a huge boost in their economy over the past 15 years or so. They are a super force right now, yet you're not seeing such football.

    You're over-analyzing stuff. It's not like that -- simple really.
    Germany 15 years ago was dubbed the "problem child of europe", mainly due to the economic consequences of the reunification, there has been some incredible progress since then - on the back of many other European countries, but that's a different discussion entirely.

    Russia, while improving vastly, is still miles behind any western european country, and even the prgoress they made very much be doubted - again a discussion which could take a few pages on its own.


    Lastly, the influence of the economy on football clubs is of course neither straight forward nor the same in every country, but there are connections. The easiest example is of course attendances, with a weaker economy and less avaible income per houshold, going to the stadium is one of the first expenses many people will cut.
     
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    Germany 15 years ago was dubbed the "problem child of europe", mainly due to the economic consequences of the reunification, there has been some incredible progress since then - on the back of many other European countries, but that's a different discussion entirely.

    Russia, while improving vastly, is still miles behind any western european country, and even the prgoress they made very much be doubted - again a discussion which could take a few pages on its own.


    Lastly, the influence of the economy on football clubs is of course neither straight forward nor the same in every country, but there are connections. The easiest example is of course attendances, with a weaker economy and less avaible income per houshold, going to the stadium is one of the first expenses many people will cut.
    Tell that to Argentina.

    This topic is a waste off time actually. Off to watch our match.
     

    Vlad

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    You make it sound like their economy grew over night. Germany always had amazing economy and that's just a fact, so what you're saying holds no ground.

    As for cycle, you could say that about Russia, that made a huge boost in their economy over the past 15 years or so. They are a super force right now, yet you're not seeing such football.

    You're over-analyzing stuff. It's not like that -- simple really.
    It is like you don't understand the simplest of things. While the half Europe struggles, countries like Italy, Spain or Greece, there is German economy that benefits from relatively cheap Euro and their companies thrive, consequently football clubs as well.
     

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