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[Juventino[RUS]]

"who the fuck is Van Basten" is even dumber than "This generation's Brazil is better than 94".


See, @Zacheryah, this is what kids who started watching Football yesterday, has no knowledge of what happened in the past and relies on wikipedia to pretend he does, look like.

Stick to ice hockey, RUS. Or whatever it is that you people do over there.

You've missed your sarcasm station

it is, just compare them with each other by the surnames and read how hard that 94 team were criticized in Brazil because of their defending football, no one believed in them

 

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[GordoDeCentral]

I agree apart from Ferrara.

Shevshenko was consistantly top 3 forwards in the world for around 8 years, and won a ballon d'or. He was better then Thierry Henry, who benched Trezeguet at the french national team.

I know we are all attached to Trezeguet, but during his entire career at milan, he was better then both Trezeguet AND Del Piero.
Hence, at his prime he was better then Zlatan who was benching Del Piero at that time.

Many are clouded cause he was a ghost of his former self at chelsea.

trez is older than methuselah and still scoring gols every where he goes, what happened to shev after milan? well in milan he played in a team full of creativity that created millions of gol scoring opportunities, when he moved to a team that played more like Juve he struggled. Also what has france done with henry as a starter? trez brought the goods when it mattered, except for that cursed final, btw i am not a trez fanboy, far from it actually

 

[Zacheryah]

"who the fuck is Van Basten" is even dumber than "This generation's Brazil is better than 94".


See, @Zacheryah, this is what kids who started watching Football yesterday, has no knowledge of what happened in the past and relies on wikipedia to pretend he does, look like.

Stick to ice hockey, RUS. Or whatever it is that you people do over there.

If only Van Basten didnt had to quit so damn early

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trez is older than methuselah and still scoring gols every where he goes, what happened to shev after milan? well in milan he played in a team full of creativity that created millions of gol scoring opportunities, when he moved to a team that played more like Juve he struggled. Also what has france done with henry as a starter? trez brought the goods when it mattered, except for that cursed final, btw i am not a trez fanboy, far from it actually

Doesnt matter. I said during his period at milan he was better then both, wich he was.

I honestly dont care about how strikers manage to decay more slowly at a lower level of play. What matters is how high you peaked and how long it lasted.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

the example of chelsea was to show that had trez been at milan he woulda been more prolific and not to judge overall careers, ergo trez is the better player

 

[Zacheryah]

Compare it with strength sports most popular offspring : olympic lifting

Nobody cares if a champion has insane wrist genetics and can keep on doing ~80% of what he did at his peak untill he's in his fifties.
Everyone cared about his prime when he was at his maximum, competing with the best, winning or setting records.

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the example of chelsea was to show that had trez been at milan he woulda been more prolific and not to judge overall careers, ergo trez is the better player

Thats rediculous, because of the nature of the player


Shevshenko was a one man army up front. Very complete, fast, technical, lethal in front of goal.

Trezeguet was a better pure finisher, but he's not like zlatan or shevshenko, who you can give the ball 30 meters away from goal and expect them to do something with it.

In fact, Trezeguet wouldnt have suited Milan at all, because he requires a technical shadowstriker around him to work. And like most poachers, if you arent pressing the final third, you were effectively playing with a player less with him on the field.


Lets praise trezeguet for what he was, an incredibly clinical finisher. But please, dont compare him with complete strikers that would definatly bench him

 

[CrimsonianKing]

You've missed your sarcasm station

it is, just compare them with each other by the surnames and read how hard that 94 team were criticized in Brazil because of their defending football, no one believed in them

Hard to buy you were being sarcastic, given your history here but well...

Let's just make something clear about the subject which is the 94' team. First, i've lived through it, i didn't read it somewhere. Me and you arguing about it, It'd be like me trying to discuss with my dad about Pele. It's from his time, waaay before mine. But back on the subject at hand, I remember like today when the players were called up and at leat 80% of the 90' WC team made it. Romario would finally have a chance, since he got injured 4 years before.

Understand this, once for all, about the Brazilian people and their criticizing back then. Mine and older generations were used to the Beautiful Football, our way of playing.

And that started changing after that 82' defeat to Italy. by 90' anything we were before collectively, the skills, flair, was just a shadow of better days. Everybody knew that and hated the fact the Selecao had changed, adapting to a more tactical football. The 90' WC was one of the worst performances-wise WC for that reason. We weren't the only ones who changed. You can compare it to how football in the 90's was to today. That WC was horrible, absolutely horrendous.

So the point is, anything post-82 got heavily criticized cause we were just spoiled brats used to a forward beautiful kind of football. 94' was no different for that reason.

 

[ALC]

Compare it with strength sports most popular offspring : olympic lifting

Nobody cares if a champion has insane wrist genetics and can keep on doing ~80% of what he did at his peak untill he's in his fifties.
Everyone cared about his prime when he was at his maximum, competing with the best, winning or setting records.

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Thats rediculous, because of the nature of the player


Shevshenko was a one man army up front. Very complete, fast, technical, lethal in front of goal.

Trezeguet was a better pure finisher, but he's not like zlatan or shevshenko, who you can give the ball 30 meters away from goal and expect them to do something with it.

In fact, Trezeguet wouldnt have suited Milan at all, because he requires a technical shadowstriker around him to work. And like most poachers, if you arent pressing the final third, you were effectively playing with a player less with him on the field.


Lets praise trezeguet for what he was, an incredibly clinical finisher. But please, dont compare him with complete strikers that would definatly bench him

Idk man, by that logic Kagawa is a better player than Pereyra because of his time at Dortmund

 

[Zé Tahir]

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[GordoDeCentral]

Compare it with strength sports most popular offspring : olympic lifting

Nobody cares if a champion has insane wrist genetics and can keep on doing ~80% of what he did at his peak untill he's in his fifties.
Everyone cared about his prime when he was at his maximum, competing with the best, winning or setting records.

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Thats rediculous, because of the nature of the player


Shevshenko was a one man army up front. Very complete, fast, technical, lethal in front of goal.

Trezeguet was a better pure finisher, but he's not like zlatan or shevshenko, who you can give the ball 30 meters away from goal and expect them to do something with it.

In fact, Trezeguet wouldnt have suited Milan at all, because he requires a technical shadowstriker around him to work. And like most poachers, if you arent pressing the final third, you were effectively playing with a player less with him on the field.


Lets praise trezeguet for what he was, an incredibly clinical finisher. But please, dont compare him with complete strikers that would definatly bench him

you just admitted that zlatan, another complete forward, couldnt bench trez. And yes i can see trez struggling a lot with pirlo constantly lobbing him millimeter precise assists

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Hard to buy you were being sarcastic, given your history here but well...

Let's just make something clear about the subject which is the 94' team. First, i've lived through it, i didn't read it somewhere. Me and you arguing about it, It'd be like me trying to discuss with my dad about Pele. It's from his time, waaay before mine. But back on the subject at hand, I remember like today when the players were called up and at leat 80% of the 90' WC team made it. Romario would finally have a chance, since he got injured 4 years before.

Understand this, once for all, about the Brazilian people and their criticizing back then. Mine and older generations were used to the Beautiful Football, our way of playing.

And that started changing after that 82' defeat to Italy. by 90' anything we were before collectively, the skills, flair, was just a shadow of better days. Everybody knew that and hated the fact the Selecao had changed, adapting to a more tactical football. The 90' WC was one of the worst performances-wise WC for that reason. It was horrible, absolutely horrendous.

So the point is, anything post-82 got heavily criticized cause we were just spoiled brats used to a forward beautiful kind of football. 94' was no different for that reason.

The truth is that the golden generation of Zico and co. won nothing but the "shadow of better days" managed to grab the world cup
"Although most of the Brazilian and international press were always criticising my philosophy, I stuck by my ideas and my principles," he said afterwards. "It feels great because, like Frank Sinatra in that song, I did it my way."
Parreira

 

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you just admitted that zlatan, another complete forward, couldnt bench trez. And yes i can see trez struggling a lot with pirlo constantly lobbing him millimeter precise assists

Trez was the better player, though only very slightly imo. And he's far from one of my favourite Juve players. It's very telling that Shevchenko was so unsuccessful anywhere aside from Milan where he had a brilliant set of creative players supplying him with chances.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Trez was the better player, though only very slightly imo. And he's far from one of my favourite Juve players. It's very telling that Shevchenko was so unsuccessful anywhere aside from Milan where he had a brilliant set of creative players supplying him with chances.

just look at frickin inzaghi...

 

[CrimsonianKing]

The truth is that the golden generation of Zico and co. won nothing but the "shadow of better days" managed to grab the world cup

Indeed they didn't. I usually make fun of them around friends because of that. THe problem with that team in my eyes... Serginho was the Fred of his time. We were unlucky Careca who was playing like a demon got injured just before the WC. Pretty much like Romario brefore 90'. See, how 2 players could have made a whole lot of difference?

And the fact that defense was nothing to write home about. Although from the mid to the attack (except Serginho), that team was perfection.

And if you compare both teams in quality alone, there's absolutely no comparison. Brazil 82' was the best Brazil there was.

 

[Zé Tahir]

The amount of hand-me-downs in Serie A now How the mighty have fallen :depressed

 

[Zacheryah]

you just admitted that zlatan, another complete forward, couldnt bench trez. And yes i can see trez struggling a lot with pirlo constantly lobbing him millimeter precise assists

Zlatan would have benched trezeguet 100% if juventus would have decided to play with one forward.

The reason Del Piero got benched, was because he wasnt the player he used to be, and Zlatan was just better, but we opted for two strikers, so naturally this means Zlatan plays, and since he was more clinical, trezeguet played aswel.

I'll say it again. Shevshenko was superior to Henry as a centreforward, and that same Henry benched Trezeguet at the france NT simply cause they fielded 1 striker and a poacher doesnt do.


Saying "shevshenko was succesfull outside Milan" need to take a history book. He left Milan when he was 30 and was past his prime. Before milan he played at Dynamo Kiev. You might want to check how they did in the championsleague with Shevshenko and Rebrov. and wich one of those two was succesfull later

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Indeed they didn't. I usually make fun of them around friends because of that. THe problem with that team in my eyes... Serginho was the Fred of his time. We were unlucky Careca who was playing like a demon got injured just before the WC. Pretty much like Romario brefore 90'. See, how 2 players could have made a whole lot of difference?

And the fact that defense was nothing to write home about. Although from the mid to the attack (except Serginho), that team was perfection.

And if you compare both teams in quality alone, there's absolutely no comparison. Brazil 82' was the best Brazil there was.

garrincha+pele's brazil, and 2002 might have say in that. And god knows how much better the latter would have been if Ronaldo never tore his knee

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Trezeguet > Shevchenko
it's not even contest

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Zlatan would have benched trezeguet 100% if juventus would have decided to play with one forward.

The reason Del Piero got benched, was because he wasnt the player he used to be, and Zlatan was just better, but we opted for two strikers, so naturally this means Zlatan plays, and since he was more clinical, trezeguet played aswel.

I'll say it again. Shevshenko was superior to Henry as a centreforward, and that same Henry benched Trezeguet at the france NT simply cause they fielded 1 striker and a poacher doesnt do.


Saying "shevshenko was succesfull outside Milan" need to take a history book. He left Milan when he was 30 and was past his prime. Before milan he played at Dynamo Kiev. You might want to check how they did in the championsleague with Shevshenko and Rebrov. and wich one of those two was succesfull later

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garrincha+pele's brazil, and 2002 might have say in that. And god knows how much better the latter would have been if Ronaldo never tore his knee

irrelevant since shev played with inzaghi or crespo

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The amount of hand-me-downs in Serie A now How the mighty have fallen :depressed

no money, no honey

 

[Zacheryah]

Trezeguet > Shevchenko
it's not even contest

Yeah, lets check the individual rewards

Shevshenko
Ukrainian Footballer of the Year: (6) 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2004, 2005
Ukrainian Sports 1999.[57]
Commonwealth of Independent States Cup Top Scorer: 1997
Commonwealth of Independent States 1997 Team of the competition[58]
Ukrainian Premier League Top Scorer: 1998-99
Ukrainian Premier League Player of the Year: 1997
Ukrainian Cup Top Scorer (2): 1994-95, 1997-98
ESM Team of the Year: (3) 1999-00, 2003-04, 2004-05
UEFA Champions League Top Scorer: (2) 1998–99, 2005–06
UEFA Champions League Best Forward: 1998-99
UEFA Team of the Year: (2) 2004, 2005
UEFA Super Cup Man of the Match (1): 2003
Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year: 2000
Serie A Goal of the Year 2004 (Roma-Milan 2004).[59]
Serie A Top Scorer: (2) 1999–00, 2003–04
Supercoppa Italiana all time top Scorer
Best Player of Eastern Europe – Focus Vest magazine Trophy: 2001
Baltic and Commonwealth of Independent States Footballer of the Year: (2) 2004, 2005
Ballon d'Or: 2004
Ballon d'Or: Third Place 1999, 2000.
2004 FIFA World Player of the Year Third
Golden Foot award : 2005
FIFPro World XI: 2005
Ukraine all-time Top Scorer with 48 goals.
Derby della Madonnina all-time top scorer with 14 goals.
All time Milan's Top goal scorer in Champions League with 33 goals.
All time FIFA World Cup qualification European Top Scorer.[60] with 26 goals.
FIFA World Cup qualification 2002 Top Scorer European with 10 goals.
FIFA 100
The World Team of the Decade by Mirror Football: 2009[61]
A.C. Milan Hall Of Fame.[62]
UEFA awards 100 caps.[63]
Pallone d'Argento 2003-04.
L'Équipe Team of the Year: (2) 2004, 2005.[64][65]
Top scorer in the history of football Ukrainian with 374 goals.
Dynamo Kiev Top goalscorer (4) .
A.C Milan Top goalscorer (2).
World Soccer's 100 Greatest Players of the 20th Century


Trezeguet
UNFP Ligue 1 Young Player of the Year (1): 1997-98
UEFA Team of the Year (1): 2001
Serie A Footballer of the Year (1): 2001-02
Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year (1): 2001-02
Serie A Top Goalscorer (1): 2001–02
FIFA 100


Hmm, i wonder who was better

 

[Zé Tahir]

no money, no honey

I still find Serie A to be more entertaining than any other league from a pure footballing point-of-view. The Argie league in close second.

 

[Trequartista]

Shevchenko in his prime was a gem of a player. People's opinion about him are clouded by his Chelsea stint which was admittedly disastrous.