That's the only way, but their investors have limited wealth, acquired through hard work, and I don't believe they'd be willing to endorse that model, unlike Arabs.
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Roma catching us on revenue? 
That's one of the most delude bullshits I've read... Originally I thought it was a joke. Milan and Inter even in Serie B would have more chances than them.
And yeah, "Let's wait for them to build a new stadium" (like if a stadium is a gold mine), too bad they don't even have the permission to build it... Maybe in 2040 it will be ready, maybe.
That's one of the most delude bullshits I've read... Originally I thought it was a joke. Milan and Inter even in Serie B would have more chances than them.And yeah, "Let's wait for them to build a new stadium" (like if a stadium is a gold mine), too bad they don't even have the permission to build it... Maybe in 2040 it will be ready, maybe.
Milan and Inter are the only "big" italian clubs (besides us ofc). I think one or even both of them will have a new stadium by 2020 at the latest. milans problem is their laughable management, but thohir seems to be a smart guy and inter made some good moves since his arrival.
i think merda is even able to get into the top-3 next saison.
That was the problem in Champions League for Italian Clubs in the last 2-3 years (6-7, if we exclude Inter's "lucky" run in 2010). Milan clubs have fallen, both from a sporty and economical perspective, and have been replaced in quality by experienceless sides like Napoli, Roma, Fiorentina. Napoli has had their 2-3 years of good experience on Europe (they have done better than Man City, probably) and have catched up the experience needed to perform consistently, if they have a good team. Roma will be newbies next year, we'll see if they have the right attitude and squad depth. For both of them, as things stay, reaching the Round of 16/Quarter final if they pick up shit in the drawing of 16 should be great. As of us, except for mad campaigns when imponderable happens like the latest, we won't have problem in reaching the QF every year as things stands, except if, by some way, we draw a very big fish in the round of 16. To return to you point, I don't see Milan clubs climbing their way back any soon (and I don't even hope so, shit, I'm Juventino). You look confident about Inter, but Thohir does not have a penny and didn't even do nothing to hide so. This transfer campign is ridiculous, Inter had to invest seriously this year to bounce back and all they could take is average/old players. Medel, M'Vila, Osvaldo, downhill Vidic... I mean, what the fuck is that? Even Lazio and Fiorentina have a better team than them, let's be serious. Now someone is considering them for a summer tournee where the mighty Olympiakos kicked asses. They can compete with Parma maybe, as things stand, and I'm not joking. If the old Palacio doesn't save their ass evey now and then once again and Icardi blossom, they're likely to have a Stramaccioni-esque season once again. Milan, on the other hand, is a serious club and would need just a BIT of decent management for fighting for top spots every year, but they don't even have that, and they don't even look for changements, so... If someone like me was dreaming this moment since Farsopoli came, so let be it. 
i disagree with you
i think different on inters mercato: m´vila, medel, vidic, rolando (on his way) and osvaldo (loan with option to buy 7 mio.) are good signings. if they manage to offload guarin, kuz and maybe alvarez and sign a strong SS like cerci or jovetic, then their team is really good in my opinion.
nobody knows how rich thohir actually is, but his family runs a multi-billion-dollar company. so i guess he isnt that poor at all. thohir wants merda to be self-sufficient and not to repeat morattis and berlusconis faults all over again.
inter has made losses all the past years, but if they reach the CL next saison they are nearly self-sufficient, especially after getting some deadwood with high salaries off the wage list (milito 5 mio, cambiasso 5 mio, samuel, zanetti, ....)
furthermore thohir brought some new managers in like the former Manchester united CEO bollingbroke.
i think inter is a much more dangerous opponent in the future than milan, cuz berlusconi and galliani completely lost the plot. they have no ambition anymore, because berlusconi has won everything multiple times and he doesnt need milan for political reasons (getting votes) anymore. berlusconis political career is over since he got thrown out of the senate in december 2013.
i think different on inters mercato: m´vila, medel, vidic, rolando (on his way) and osvaldo (loan with option to buy 7 mio.) are good signings. if they manage to offload guarin, kuz and maybe alvarez and sign a strong SS like cerci or jovetic, then their team is really good in my opinion.
nobody knows how rich thohir actually is, but his family runs a multi-billion-dollar company. so i guess he isnt that poor at all. thohir wants merda to be self-sufficient and not to repeat morattis and berlusconis faults all over again.
inter has made losses all the past years, but if they reach the CL next saison they are nearly self-sufficient, especially after getting some deadwood with high salaries off the wage list (milito 5 mio, cambiasso 5 mio, samuel, zanetti, ....)
furthermore thohir brought some new managers in like the former Manchester united CEO bollingbroke.
i think inter is a much more dangerous opponent in the future than milan, cuz berlusconi and galliani completely lost the plot. they have no ambition anymore, because berlusconi has won everything multiple times and he doesnt need milan for political reasons (getting votes) anymore. berlusconis political career is over since he got thrown out of the senate in december 2013.
That is true, but Thohir is a good bussinessman, and he will run the club better than Moratti, which was also the point of @blacknwhite i believe.
Inter are progressing imo, they will be better than last year, that's for sure, but they are still inferior to us, Napoli and Roma, and i guess Fiorentina aswell. But who knows, they could end up fighting for top 3 if things work out for them.
Thohir has clearly understood though, that for Inter at the moment, it is not a sprint, but a marathon, and if he tries to take financial short cuts like Moratti did, it might bring short term temporary succes, but it will bite him in the ass afterwards and he will have to start over from scratch again. I think we will see Inter slowly closing the gap to the likes of Roma and Fiorentina
Inter are progressing imo, they will be better than last year, that's for sure, but they are still inferior to us, Napoli and Roma, and i guess Fiorentina aswell. But who knows, they could end up fighting for top 3 if things work out for them.
Thohir has clearly understood though, that for Inter at the moment, it is not a sprint, but a marathon, and if he tries to take financial short cuts like Moratti did, it might bring short term temporary succes, but it will bite him in the ass afterwards and he will have to start over from scratch again. I think we will see Inter slowly closing the gap to the likes of Roma and Fiorentina
Nothing is impossible in football, 10 years ago no one would have thought Sunderland would spend more money than AC Milan. No one would have thought we be lagging behind 4 teams in EPL. I am sure those impossible remarks now , would have said the same those days as well.
No one should rest their laurels and secondly, every team in Serie A needs to grow then only we can grow in Europe. That starts with Roma , I hope they do well in CL and get their stadium, Udinese coming along the play, then I can see Inter with Thohir is starting to go global , expand their fan base, reducing their old hags and soon they will probably have a new stadium plan as well.
No one should rest their laurels and secondly, every team in Serie A needs to grow then only we can grow in Europe. That starts with Roma , I hope they do well in CL and get their stadium, Udinese coming along the play, then I can see Inter with Thohir is starting to go global , expand their fan base, reducing their old hags and soon they will probably have a new stadium plan as well.
We actually got a shit tonne of co-effs i think from the EL seeing as the EL gives the same points as the CL.
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Yes but Italy shot itself in the foot with Calciopoli. Spain or England are not stupid enough to crush their own league not only that but the 2 Milan clubs all of a sudden decided to stop spending money because they have been run very badly over the last 10 or so years. Even if Man United and Chelsea got relegated people would still tune into the PL every week because that league has so much exposure and most teams plays a very fast paced attacking game which creates excitement even if it is tactically weak.
Italy going down to such a low level was a chain of events, first Juve getting wrongfully relegated, then Ac Milan stop spending money shortly followed by Inter failing to invest money and go broke after Moratti finally got his CL trophy so he could put the picture up beside his fathers.
Last but not least the infrastructure is so poor in Italy it is well behind the other countries in revenues. I cant see any of that ever happening in England or Spain, when the blood samples that were tested positive for Spanish Athletes they didn't take those footballers/cyclists to court they just destroyed them instead and brushed it all under the carpet.
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Yes but Italy shot itself in the foot with Calciopoli. Spain or England are not stupid enough to crush their own league not only that but the 2 Milan clubs all of a sudden decided to stop spending money because they have been run very badly over the last 10 or so years. Even if Man United and Chelsea got relegated people would still tune into the PL every week because that league has so much exposure and most teams plays a very fast paced attacking game which creates excitement even if it is tactically weak.
Italy going down to such a low level was a chain of events, first Juve getting wrongfully relegated, then Ac Milan stop spending money shortly followed by Inter failing to invest money and go broke after Moratti finally got his CL trophy so he could put the picture up beside his fathers.
Last but not least the infrastructure is so poor in Italy it is well behind the other countries in revenues. I cant see any of that ever happening in England or Spain, when the blood samples that were tested positive for Spanish Athletes they didn't take those footballers/cyclists to court they just destroyed them instead and brushed it all under the carpet.
Yes, thats my point.
Moratti was more like a fanatic fan with the attitude of a stubborn child than a good businessman. He put his money into the club, but he made many wrong choices alongside his "director of sports" marco branca.
Moratti never gave a shit about increasing the revenue, expanding the brand, investing in infrastructure or keep the club healthy. Even at their treble in 2010 their revenue was ridiculously low. Regarding the team Branca failed so often: Remember flop-signings like quaresma, forlan, mancini or the sale of talented newcomers (some of them even homegrown) like coutinho, destro, santon, etc.?!
Branca did such a bad job, that it has become unevitable to throw him out of the club in the end (thohir did in february 2014).
Thohir wants to avoid these mistakes and intends to get Inter self-sufficient, not starting a new "sugar-daddy-project" like moratti did. thohir focuses on increasing the revenues and expanding the brand - you can see this on the signings of new and experienced managers like michael bollingbroke (former manchester united CEO and marketing-manager) or a new woman (dont know the name anymore), which was the former marketing-director of Apple Europe.
Furthermore he implemented some other good points like a average squad age of 26,5 years or having faith in youngsters (kovacic, icardi,...).
I think inter is on the right path and they are going to surpass roma and napoli soon. serie a needs more foreign investors. these guys bring fresh money and (more important) new ideas.
Moratti was more like a fanatic fan with the attitude of a stubborn child than a good businessman. He put his money into the club, but he made many wrong choices alongside his "director of sports" marco branca.
Moratti never gave a shit about increasing the revenue, expanding the brand, investing in infrastructure or keep the club healthy. Even at their treble in 2010 their revenue was ridiculously low. Regarding the team Branca failed so often: Remember flop-signings like quaresma, forlan, mancini or the sale of talented newcomers (some of them even homegrown) like coutinho, destro, santon, etc.?!
Branca did such a bad job, that it has become unevitable to throw him out of the club in the end (thohir did in february 2014).
Thohir wants to avoid these mistakes and intends to get Inter self-sufficient, not starting a new "sugar-daddy-project" like moratti did. thohir focuses on increasing the revenues and expanding the brand - you can see this on the signings of new and experienced managers like michael bollingbroke (former manchester united CEO and marketing-manager) or a new woman (dont know the name anymore), which was the former marketing-director of Apple Europe.
Furthermore he implemented some other good points like a average squad age of 26,5 years or having faith in youngsters (kovacic, icardi,...).
I think inter is on the right path and they are going to surpass roma and napoli soon. serie a needs more foreign investors. these guys bring fresh money and (more important) new ideas.
I don't think you are right. It could happen, but i think the probability of an italian team winning a CL before a portuguese team is higher than vice versa. Look at Benfica, they have almost lost their whole starting eleven, and this is typical for them and Porto (and Sporting, who aren't top notch at the moment though). Everytime some of their players shine, they sell them and have to rebuild again. They are fairly competitive, but the trend does not seem to change. Porto also seem to loose some of their important players. In the meanwhile, Italian teams, while maybe being a bit behind for the last couple of years, are progressing - slowly, but with an upwards trend. Financially, Serie A has a lot more potential aswell, even though we are after England and Spain and partly Germany at the moment.
Even though italian teams might loose out on their biggest stars to oil clubs, Wank-Yanks and the two spanish jokes, it's not at the same rate as for Benfica and Porto at all, and italian teams seem to be able to attract players the other way around, while the portoguese have to 'invent' new players (you know, spot new talent and develop) every damn time.
Even though italian teams might loose out on their biggest stars to oil clubs, Wank-Yanks and the two spanish jokes, it's not at the same rate as for Benfica and Porto at all, and italian teams seem to be able to attract players the other way around, while the portoguese have to 'invent' new players (you know, spot new talent and develop) every damn time.
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