in what way has this year been any weaker or different than any of the previous years say since 2006? since then there has always been one dominant team, be it Juve, inter or milan
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Width has allways been used, and has allways ebeen of perennial importance in most competitions for succesfull teams. Juventus in fact, uses it aswel with our wingbacks. We just dont cross as often.
Juve, offcourse has a player of that caliber. He's called Paul Pogba, and he will reach that caliber in a few years time if we keep him.
Juventus was doing pretty damn well in europe last year, untill it met a vastly superior team, that was vastly superior to everybody. Where were you when we beat chelsea ? Same formation, and no forwards.
You need to realise there are other ways. We got an incredible central midfield, and we can work from there.
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Doesnt take away that we need quality wingback options. After asamoah and licht, who are very high class, there is a far to big gap. Because of this they regularly play when not in good shape. If that occurs, we dont nearly play as good.
A high class cam to replace the regista in a 4312 would also be great, but we cant afford one.
Juve, offcourse has a player of that caliber. He's called Paul Pogba, and he will reach that caliber in a few years time if we keep him.
Juventus was doing pretty damn well in europe last year, untill it met a vastly superior team, that was vastly superior to everybody. Where were you when we beat chelsea ? Same formation, and no forwards.
You need to realise there are other ways. We got an incredible central midfield, and we can work from there.
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Doesnt take away that we need quality wingback options. After asamoah and licht, who are very high class, there is a far to big gap. Because of this they regularly play when not in good shape. If that occurs, we dont nearly play as good.
A high class cam to replace the regista in a 4312 would also be great, but we cant afford one.
NO INVESTORS WANT TO TOUCH SERIE A.
At Least for the rest of the league, pretty much due to the reasons given the above past posts.
As if Serie A has been tarnished outside of Italy and no one wants to invest most Serie A clubs such as our mid table clubs. Believing there's no return on their part. Just a mere speculation
NO INVESTORS WANT TO TOUCH SERIE A.
At Least for the rest of the league, pretty much due to the reasons given the above past posts.
As if Serie A has been tarnished outside of Italy and no one wants to invest most Serie A clubs such as our mid table clubs. Believing there's no return on their part. Just a mere speculation
At Least for the rest of the league, pretty much due to the reasons given the above past posts.
As if Serie A has been tarnished outside of Italy and no one wants to invest most Serie A clubs such as our mid table clubs. Believing there's no return on their part. Just a mere speculation
the key to a strong league is to keep the talent in the league. you cant have a strong league with the best players leaving every year. for years now serie a clubs failed to keep their valuable assets and letting their best players go, and whats worse, they dont get decent enough players to replace them. the drop in quality is unavoidable that way.
if you look at the Bundesliga 7-8 years ago, they were an average league with one "top" team that barely made it to the CL QF each year. last year they had a german CL final. the share in TV rights is fair to the smaller clubs. almost every club in 1st and 2nd BL has its own stadium (most are new) with a strong fanbase and allways full stadiums. they improved their youth system drastically. every club in 1st and 2nd BL MUST have a youth academy. they are producing their own players. in Italy you dont see that (dont know about the other clubs but we are trying to make a strong youth sector and we could see the products of that in a few years).
if we want a stronger league in Italy 1st thing to do is to get new stadiums. i know this is hard, especially for weaker clubs, but thats the 1st step towards a strong and attractive league. 2nd thing to do is to invest in youth. since i took the BL as an example here is another fact "As of 2010 the Bundesliga and second Bundesliga spend €75m a year on youth academies, that train five thousand players aged 12–18, increasing the under-23-year-olds in the Bundesliga from 6% in 2000 to 15% in 2010." they lose players but they have enough talent to replace them. this is what we should do. and im not saying to replace the Padoins, Pelusos etc. in top clubs with youth players. Im saying that low and mid-table teams should focus on, 1st producing, and then giving their young players a chance. and here is where the key problem comes into play. once you have achieved all that, it is essential to keep these players (atleast the majority of them) in the league and not let them join foreign money clubs. in an ideal world, "weak" teams would invest in their youth and then sell these "finished products" to the top teams in the serie a. they get money that they can invest in their academy again. ofcourse, top teams also have their youth academies and loan their young players to other serie a teams. its a perfect circle if it wasnt for those "money clubs".
serie a clubs know they can get more money from the EPL and they rather sell their players there than to Juve, Milan, Napoli... the money these clubs get for their players is essential for their existence as they dont have an alternative income and thats why alot of clubs in Italy are in debts. thats why own stadiums are important. and thats why TV rights/shares are also important. in Italy the 1st team gets 4x of what the last team gets. in Germany the 1st gets only as double as the last. if the bigger teams agree to a fairer share, the smaller teams could have an alternative way of financing themselves (rather than selling their best players) and the league would be more competitive and attractive.
if you know that this is Italy we are talking about, this doesent seem likely, and we will see 6-7 clubs with their own projects trying to get out of their debts and to be competitive (rather than improving the league overall), while the rest will struggle to avoid relegation and getting bankrupt.
if you look at the Bundesliga 7-8 years ago, they were an average league with one "top" team that barely made it to the CL QF each year. last year they had a german CL final. the share in TV rights is fair to the smaller clubs. almost every club in 1st and 2nd BL has its own stadium (most are new) with a strong fanbase and allways full stadiums. they improved their youth system drastically. every club in 1st and 2nd BL MUST have a youth academy. they are producing their own players. in Italy you dont see that (dont know about the other clubs but we are trying to make a strong youth sector and we could see the products of that in a few years).
if we want a stronger league in Italy 1st thing to do is to get new stadiums. i know this is hard, especially for weaker clubs, but thats the 1st step towards a strong and attractive league. 2nd thing to do is to invest in youth. since i took the BL as an example here is another fact "As of 2010 the Bundesliga and second Bundesliga spend €75m a year on youth academies, that train five thousand players aged 12–18, increasing the under-23-year-olds in the Bundesliga from 6% in 2000 to 15% in 2010." they lose players but they have enough talent to replace them. this is what we should do. and im not saying to replace the Padoins, Pelusos etc. in top clubs with youth players. Im saying that low and mid-table teams should focus on, 1st producing, and then giving their young players a chance. and here is where the key problem comes into play. once you have achieved all that, it is essential to keep these players (atleast the majority of them) in the league and not let them join foreign money clubs. in an ideal world, "weak" teams would invest in their youth and then sell these "finished products" to the top teams in the serie a. they get money that they can invest in their academy again. ofcourse, top teams also have their youth academies and loan their young players to other serie a teams. its a perfect circle if it wasnt for those "money clubs".
serie a clubs know they can get more money from the EPL and they rather sell their players there than to Juve, Milan, Napoli... the money these clubs get for their players is essential for their existence as they dont have an alternative income and thats why alot of clubs in Italy are in debts. thats why own stadiums are important. and thats why TV rights/shares are also important. in Italy the 1st team gets 4x of what the last team gets. in Germany the 1st gets only as double as the last. if the bigger teams agree to a fairer share, the smaller teams could have an alternative way of financing themselves (rather than selling their best players) and the league would be more competitive and attractive.
if you know that this is Italy we are talking about, this doesent seem likely, and we will see 6-7 clubs with their own projects trying to get out of their debts and to be competitive (rather than improving the league overall), while the rest will struggle to avoid relegation and getting bankrupt.
NO INVESTORS WANT TO TOUCH SERIE A.
At Least for the rest of the league, pretty much due to the reasons given the above past posts.
As if Serie A has been tarnished outside of Italy and no one wants to invest most Serie A clubs such as our mid table clubs. Believing there's no return on their part. Just a mere speculation
At Least for the rest of the league, pretty much due to the reasons given the above past posts.
As if Serie A has been tarnished outside of Italy and no one wants to invest most Serie A clubs such as our mid table clubs. Believing there's no return on their part. Just a mere speculation
What we need is clubs beeing enabled and if possible even encouraged to have their own ground and stadium. At least the top 6 should do this. It would change things dramatically, and they can work from there
clubs need a way to finance themselves, and having a stadium is a great way to go...
The Bundesliga model is the one we should be following. Seriously Serie A is losing its appeal, I hardly watch the games there this season the lack of quality players and the terrible coverage. Watching the games with the monotonous English commentary, with the almost dead staidum environment and non HD, its a snoozefest most of the time for me. Those days we used to sign the best from EPL, these days we fight for their scraps.good read on how Serie A fell behind money wise to the other leagues.
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I've been watching Serie A since 1995, and this season and last season were undoubtedly the weakest I have ever seen, even worse than 06-07 when we were in B and Inter had the league to themselves.
We walked to the title last season, not a challenge in sight, it was the same more or less this season, only Roma aren't giving up like Napoli did halfway through last season.
The bottom line is this, if our 'challengers' keep selling their key players every summer, we will win every single league title from here on out. This is until either a sheikh comes in and buys one of them, or they finally get to build a stadium and have enough money to keep their star players.
We walked to the title last season, not a challenge in sight, it was the same more or less this season, only Roma aren't giving up like Napoli did halfway through last season.
The bottom line is this, if our 'challengers' keep selling their key players every summer, we will win every single league title from here on out. This is until either a sheikh comes in and buys one of them, or they finally get to build a stadium and have enough money to keep their star players.
Ya I know he is. It's because the pace fits him perfectly. It's a slower pace.
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That was 7 fucking years ago. Almost a decade. If you compare the pace of play from then and now I'm sure you will see a bit of difference. They're also the last team I can remember to win the CL without wingers. I believe that is something called an outlier.
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That was 7 fucking years ago. Almost a decade. If you compare the pace of play from then and now I'm sure you will see a bit of difference. They're also the last team I can remember to win the CL without wingers. I believe that is something called an outlier.
Personally, I'll admit that Serie-A is weaker than a couple of the other european leagues any day of the week, because it's true. My agenda, however, is to try to make people realize that it's not as far behind as some make it out to be. It's not lightyears behind the EPL or anything of the sort. Deep down I believe that's what Zacheryah means as well. He'll have to confirm that, though.
Napoli did get 12 points in this season's CL group stage, a very impressive tally that normally would see you go through to the knockout stages. They were unlucky, no doubt about it.
As for us, we did not live up to our potential. We are definitely better than crashing out of the group we were eliminated from, but sometimes these things happen. We had a run of bad form.
Looking at this year's Europa League, Tottenham, a club that I've seen members here say that would finish above us if Juventus played in the EPL, got eliminated 5-3 on aggregate by Benfica, a team from Portugal, a league that's considered to be worse than Serie-A (and rightly so).
Looking at this year's Champions League, Manchester United and Arsenal did nothing impressive. Chelsea, however, are having a fine run, and like I said: the EPL is better, I will agree to that all the time, but don't make it out to be so much greater than it in reality is.
Another thing about Serie-A. Sure, the Milanese clubs aren't at their best anymore, but player by player, they do have some very good players in their squad. When teams like Atalanta and Hellas Verona and Bologna etc. can beat them, maybe that also speaks volumes about some of these smaller clubs in Serie-A? Maybe they're not all such walkovers as they're currently made out to be.
We beat most other teams in this league more often than not, but it's because we have a fantastic coach, a great squad consisting of several world class players, and great experience at being at the top.
Napoli did get 12 points in this season's CL group stage, a very impressive tally that normally would see you go through to the knockout stages. They were unlucky, no doubt about it.
As for us, we did not live up to our potential. We are definitely better than crashing out of the group we were eliminated from, but sometimes these things happen. We had a run of bad form.
Looking at this year's Europa League, Tottenham, a club that I've seen members here say that would finish above us if Juventus played in the EPL, got eliminated 5-3 on aggregate by Benfica, a team from Portugal, a league that's considered to be worse than Serie-A (and rightly so).
Looking at this year's Champions League, Manchester United and Arsenal did nothing impressive. Chelsea, however, are having a fine run, and like I said: the EPL is better, I will agree to that all the time, but don't make it out to be so much greater than it in reality is.
Another thing about Serie-A. Sure, the Milanese clubs aren't at their best anymore, but player by player, they do have some very good players in their squad. When teams like Atalanta and Hellas Verona and Bologna etc. can beat them, maybe that also speaks volumes about some of these smaller clubs in Serie-A? Maybe they're not all such walkovers as they're currently made out to be.
We beat most other teams in this league more often than not, but it's because we have a fantastic coach, a great squad consisting of several world class players, and great experience at being at the top.