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it was softish but a PK has been given for less ... and not given for more. One of those situations where you'd see some refs give it, while others not ... nothing out of the ordinary really but I am guessing the sky has fallen ten times over around these places (couldn't be bothered any less to go over the last 10-20 pages but I think I can paint a pretty decent pic about it based on past experiences 
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Even if you call the PK a total gift, however, there was a situation earlier in the 2nd half where SES was being led 1-1 with Siena GK by a pass from Montolivo but it was called off for a non-existent offside. Don't be shocked if you don';t see this key moment mentioned by anyone else, though, if you know what I mean ... maybe Sal or Red could be among the few to be the exception to that rule but I guess that actually proves the rule, in the end of the day
That title by the pro-Inter, anti-Milan CdS is no surprise, though, and I am sure things around here wouldn't be any diff. for the most part. All in all, it wasn't the end-of-the-world corruption scandalous apocalypse people are likely making it out to be ... nothing you wouldn't see happen in your average game out there with probably Milan being part of it and the high stakes involved being the culprit for people crying foul.
It's not like things would have been any diff if Milan won the game 5-0 - only then people would be saying that Siena, instead of the refs, sold the game.
All in all, tough luck for Fiorentina as they wouldn't have been undeservedly the 3rd italian team in the CL (or the qualifiers at least) had Milan not won today. I don't think they can look for excuses in today's result as they wasted too many points on their own but knowing their mentality, chances are right now they blame everyone else but themselves.
).Even if you call the PK a total gift, however, there was a situation earlier in the 2nd half where SES was being led 1-1 with Siena GK by a pass from Montolivo but it was called off for a non-existent offside. Don't be shocked if you don';t see this key moment mentioned by anyone else, though, if you know what I mean ... maybe Sal or Red could be among the few to be the exception to that rule but I guess that actually proves the rule, in the end of the day
That title by the pro-Inter, anti-Milan CdS is no surprise, though, and I am sure things around here wouldn't be any diff. for the most part. All in all, it wasn't the end-of-the-world corruption scandalous apocalypse people are likely making it out to be ... nothing you wouldn't see happen in your average game out there with probably Milan being part of it and the high stakes involved being the culprit for people crying foul.
It's not like things would have been any diff if Milan won the game 5-0 - only then people would be saying that Siena, instead of the refs, sold the game.
All in all, tough luck for Fiorentina as they wouldn't have been undeservedly the 3rd italian team in the CL (or the qualifiers at least) had Milan not won today. I don't think they can look for excuses in today's result as they wasted too many points on their own but knowing their mentality, chances are right now they blame everyone else but themselves.
seriously stop with the condescending tone in the football sections, if you think there was nothing wrong with that call then you my patronizing friend are the most biased poster on juventuz, i really hope you realize the magnitude of that statement.
oh and time to update your signature "Everyone creates their own Bergonzi"
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how about the clear pk not given to Siena ac huh? HUH? HUH?
it was softish but a PK has been given for less ... and not given for more. One of those situations where you'd see some refs give it, while others not ... nothing out of the ordinary really but I am guessing the sky has fallen ten times over around these places (couldn't be bothered any less to go over the last 10-20 pages but I think I can paint a pretty decent pic about it based on past experiences ).
Even if you call the PK a total gift, however, there was a situation earlier in the 2nd half where SES was being led 1-1 with Siena GK by a pass from Montolivo but it was called off for a non-existent offside. Don't be shocked if you don';t see this key moment mentioned by anyone else, though, if you know what I mean ... maybe Sal or Red could be among the few to be the exception to that rule but I guess that actually proves the rule, in the end of the day
That title by the pro-Inter, anti-Milan CdS is no surprise, though, and I am sure things around here wouldn't be any diff. for the most part. All in all, it wasn't the end-of-the-world corruption scandalous apocalypse people are likely making it out to be ... nothing you wouldn't see happen in your average game out there with probably Milan being part of it and the high stakes involved being the culprit for people crying foul.
It's not like things would have been any diff if Milan won the game 5-0 - only then people would be saying that Siena, instead of the refs, sold the game.
All in all, tough luck for Fiorentina as they wouldn't have been undeservedly the 3rd italian team in the CL (or the qualifiers at least) had Milan not won today. I don't think they can look for excuses in today's result as they wasted too many points on their own but knowing their mentality, chances are right now they blame everyone else but themselves.
).Even if you call the PK a total gift, however, there was a situation earlier in the 2nd half where SES was being led 1-1 with Siena GK by a pass from Montolivo but it was called off for a non-existent offside. Don't be shocked if you don';t see this key moment mentioned by anyone else, though, if you know what I mean ... maybe Sal or Red could be among the few to be the exception to that rule but I guess that actually proves the rule, in the end of the day
That title by the pro-Inter, anti-Milan CdS is no surprise, though, and I am sure things around here wouldn't be any diff. for the most part. All in all, it wasn't the end-of-the-world corruption scandalous apocalypse people are likely making it out to be ... nothing you wouldn't see happen in your average game out there with probably Milan being part of it and the high stakes involved being the culprit for people crying foul.
It's not like things would have been any diff if Milan won the game 5-0 - only then people would be saying that Siena, instead of the refs, sold the game.
All in all, tough luck for Fiorentina as they wouldn't have been undeservedly the 3rd italian team in the CL (or the qualifiers at least) had Milan not won today. I don't think they can look for excuses in today's result as they wasted too many points on their own but knowing their mentality, chances are right now they blame everyone else but themselves.
it was softish but a PK has been given for less ... and not given for more. One of those situations where you'd see some refs give it, while others not ... nothing out of the ordinary really but I am guessing the sky has fallen ten times over around these places (couldn't be bothered any less to go over the last 10-20 pages but I think I can paint a pretty decent pic about it based on past experiences ).
Even if you call the PK a total gift, however, there was a situation earlier in the 2nd half where SES was being led 1-1 with Siena GK by a pass from Montolivo but it was called off for a non-existent offside. Don't be shocked if you don';t see this key moment mentioned by anyone else, though, if you know what I mean ... maybe Sal or Red could be among the few to be the exception to that rule but I guess that actually proves the rule, in the end of the day
That title by the pro-Inter, anti-Milan CdS is no surprise, though, and I am sure things around here wouldn't be any diff. for the most part. All in all, it wasn't the end-of-the-world corruption scandalous apocalypse people are likely making it out to be ... nothing you wouldn't see happen in your average game out there with probably Milan being part of it and the high stakes involved being the culprit for people crying foul.
It's not like things would have been any diff if Milan won the game 5-0 - only then people would be saying that Siena, instead of the refs, sold the game.
All in all, tough luck for Fiorentina as they wouldn't have been undeservedly the 3rd italian team in the CL (or the qualifiers at least) had Milan not won today. I don't think they can look for excuses in today's result as they wasted too many points on their own but knowing their mentality, chances are right now they blame everyone else but themselves.
).Even if you call the PK a total gift, however, there was a situation earlier in the 2nd half where SES was being led 1-1 with Siena GK by a pass from Montolivo but it was called off for a non-existent offside. Don't be shocked if you don';t see this key moment mentioned by anyone else, though, if you know what I mean ... maybe Sal or Red could be among the few to be the exception to that rule but I guess that actually proves the rule, in the end of the day
That title by the pro-Inter, anti-Milan CdS is no surprise, though, and I am sure things around here wouldn't be any diff. for the most part. All in all, it wasn't the end-of-the-world corruption scandalous apocalypse people are likely making it out to be ... nothing you wouldn't see happen in your average game out there with probably Milan being part of it and the high stakes involved being the culprit for people crying foul.
It's not like things would have been any diff if Milan won the game 5-0 - only then people would be saying that Siena, instead of the refs, sold the game.
All in all, tough luck for Fiorentina as they wouldn't have been undeservedly the 3rd italian team in the CL (or the qualifiers at least) had Milan not won today. I don't think they can look for excuses in today's result as they wasted too many points on their own but knowing their mentality, chances are right now they blame everyone else but themselves.
it was softish but a PK has been given for less ... and not given for more. One of those situations where you'd see some refs give it, while others not ... nothing out of the ordinary really but I am guessing the sky has fallen ten times over around these places (couldn't be bothered any less to go over the last 10-20 pages but I think I can paint a pretty decent pic about it based on past experiences ).
Even if you call the PK a total gift, however, there was a situation earlier in the 2nd half where SES was being led 1-1 with Siena GK by a pass from Montolivo but it was called off for a non-existent offside. Don't be shocked if you don';t see this key moment mentioned by anyone else, though, if you know what I mean ... maybe Sal or Red could be among the few to be the exception to that rule but I guess that actually proves the rule, in the end of the day
That title by the pro-Inter, anti-Milan CdS is no surprise, though, and I am sure things around here wouldn't be any diff. for the most part. All in all, it wasn't the end-of-the-world corruption scandalous apocalypse people are likely making it out to be ... nothing you wouldn't see happen in your average game out there with probably Milan being part of it and the high stakes involved being the culprit for people crying foul.
It's not like things would have been any diff if Milan won the game 5-0 - only then people would be saying that Siena, instead of the refs, sold the game.
All in all, tough luck for Fiorentina as they wouldn't have been undeservedly the 3rd italian team in the CL (or the qualifiers at least) had Milan not won today. I don't think they can look for excuses in today's result as they wasted too many points on their own but knowing their mentality, chances are right now they blame everyone else but themselves.
).Even if you call the PK a total gift, however, there was a situation earlier in the 2nd half where SES was being led 1-1 with Siena GK by a pass from Montolivo but it was called off for a non-existent offside. Don't be shocked if you don';t see this key moment mentioned by anyone else, though, if you know what I mean ... maybe Sal or Red could be among the few to be the exception to that rule but I guess that actually proves the rule, in the end of the day
That title by the pro-Inter, anti-Milan CdS is no surprise, though, and I am sure things around here wouldn't be any diff. for the most part. All in all, it wasn't the end-of-the-world corruption scandalous apocalypse people are likely making it out to be ... nothing you wouldn't see happen in your average game out there with probably Milan being part of it and the high stakes involved being the culprit for people crying foul.
It's not like things would have been any diff if Milan won the game 5-0 - only then people would be saying that Siena, instead of the refs, sold the game.
All in all, tough luck for Fiorentina as they wouldn't have been undeservedly the 3rd italian team in the CL (or the qualifiers at least) had Milan not won today. I don't think they can look for excuses in today's result as they wasted too many points on their own but knowing their mentality, chances are right now they blame everyone else but themselves.
"The spot-kick for a Dias Felipe shirt tug on Mario Balotelli was certainly soft, especially as Massimo Ambrosini had escaped punishment for a similar earlier challenge."
Quoted from channel4.
how about the clear pk not given to Siena ac huh? HUH? HUH?
If you look at it more closely, the shirt pulling starts while the ball is still at the corner spot i.e. the ball is not in play. The way refs handle such situations is by stopping the corner and warning the player(s) or even administering YC but not giving PKs as the ball is not in play. That was very much a CC of the PK in the Barca-Milan game in the CL last year where Barca got a PK when there shouldn't have been one.
If you are more adventurous, you could even find it in the rulebook
Obviously the above is not gonna be a popular point around here as it doesn't paint Milan as the source of all evil but hey, you never know.
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see above in my reply to Mark.
channel4 saying something doesn't make it true - it's just the words and opinion of a sportswriter, after all. I urge you to find a good replay, if you care enough, and see for yourself.
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trust me, I understand
it was softish but a PK has been given for less ... and not given for more. One of those situations where you'd see some refs give it, while others not ... nothing out of the ordinary really but I am guessing the sky has fallen ten times over around these places (couldn't be bothered any less to go over the last 10-20 pages but I think I can paint a pretty decent pic about it based on past experiences ).
Even if you call the PK a total gift, however, there was a situation earlier in the 2nd half where SES was being led 1-1 with Siena GK by a pass from Montolivo but it was called off for a non-existent offside. Don't be shocked if you don';t see this key moment mentioned by anyone else, though, if you know what I mean ... maybe Sal or Red could be among the few to be the exception to that rule but I guess that actually proves the rule, in the end of the day
That title by the pro-Inter, anti-Milan CdS is no surprise, though, and I am sure things around here wouldn't be any diff. for the most part. All in all, it wasn't the end-of-the-world corruption scandalous apocalypse people are likely making it out to be ... nothing you wouldn't see happen in your average game out there with probably Milan being part of it and the high stakes involved being the culprit for people crying foul.
It's not like things would have been any diff if Milan won the game 5-0 - only then people would be saying that Siena, instead of the refs, sold the game.
All in all, tough luck for Fiorentina as they wouldn't have been undeservedly the 3rd italian team in the CL (or the qualifiers at least) had Milan not won today. I don't think they can look for excuses in today's result as they wasted too many points on their own but knowing their mentality, chances are right now they blame everyone else but themselves.
).Even if you call the PK a total gift, however, there was a situation earlier in the 2nd half where SES was being led 1-1 with Siena GK by a pass from Montolivo but it was called off for a non-existent offside. Don't be shocked if you don';t see this key moment mentioned by anyone else, though, if you know what I mean ... maybe Sal or Red could be among the few to be the exception to that rule but I guess that actually proves the rule, in the end of the day
That title by the pro-Inter, anti-Milan CdS is no surprise, though, and I am sure things around here wouldn't be any diff. for the most part. All in all, it wasn't the end-of-the-world corruption scandalous apocalypse people are likely making it out to be ... nothing you wouldn't see happen in your average game out there with probably Milan being part of it and the high stakes involved being the culprit for people crying foul.
It's not like things would have been any diff if Milan won the game 5-0 - only then people would be saying that Siena, instead of the refs, sold the game.
All in all, tough luck for Fiorentina as they wouldn't have been undeservedly the 3rd italian team in the CL (or the qualifiers at least) had Milan not won today. I don't think they can look for excuses in today's result as they wasted too many points on their own but knowing their mentality, chances are right now they blame everyone else but themselves.
finally you are exhibiting the traits of having an opinion of your own. Or maybe not, considering what Deneb said just a couple of posts above.
Something I cannot urge you strongly enough to seriously think about. Who knows, you might even thank me one day, 20 years from now.
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that forum doesn't represent all Milan fans and yeah, it's a circus. There is a much better albeit less popular place on the net.
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well constructed and even better defended counter-arguments. Surprised? No, not at all.
Something I cannot urge you strongly enough to seriously think about. Who knows, you might even thank me one day, 20 years from now.
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that forum doesn't represent all Milan fans and yeah, it's a circus. There is a much better albeit less popular place on the net.
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well constructed and even better defended counter-arguments. Surprised? No, not at all.
acmilan -> it was a really soft PK in the direst of times for Milan and as soon as Siena scored and things didn't go Milan's way everyone knew it was going to be awarded, many many people called it. coincidence?
the usual Galliani follow up "in three years Milan won more points than Juve", "in the last rounds Milan won as many points as Juve", "gol di Muntari wah wah" just made things more disgusting.
the only thing funny here is your still fresh rage about past CL seasons, where referee's used to whistle Barcelona's way not Milan's. not so easy to shrug it off when it happens to you, huh?
the usual Galliani follow up "in three years Milan won more points than Juve", "in the last rounds Milan won as many points as Juve", "gol di Muntari wah wah" just made things more disgusting.
the only thing funny here is your still fresh rage about past CL seasons, where referee's used to whistle Barcelona's way not Milan's. not so easy to shrug it off when it happens to you, huh?
Could you tell me when and who exactly made you the reference point and judge on what it means to be "unbiased"? I hope you realize that there is no such thing.
The Pk situation, AGAIN, was a 50-50 one - some refs would give it, some wouldn't based on how they judge the extent/severity of the existent contact. However said contact was not a product of my or the refs imagination - if you actually took a closer look at it, you'd see that the defender was pulling Balotellin in exactly the opposite direction he was trying to go in order to intersect the trajectory of the cross. Call it dangerous/stupid/careless defending but when a dfeneder makes a play like that they better calculate the risks well because a PK is the outcome often enough ... not always, but often enough.
The reason why it looks such a contentious call does not really stem from the call itself but the circumstances of how and when it happened (end of a game Milan needed to win) and that it was given for Milan (the source of everything evil in Italian footie, as per Juve fans these days - some even have a theory about it and are likely close to publishing a book or at least a paper on the phenomenon).
My point is that a foul is foul whether it takes place in the PA or not and whether it happens 3 min into the game or 3 min away from it's end; whether it decides which team gets relegated or which team goes onto playing the CL. Granted, many refs don't have the balls to treat situations separate from the circumstances in which they take place but it's how it should be. hence why previous history of whether similar situations have been or not given as PK shouldn't really matter much, tbh.
So, unless you are claiming that I am imagining the contact you quite frankly got squat on the "biased" front.
As for whether what I said earlier was condescending and/or patronizing, I assure you I meant it as a light-hearted remark, nothing more. Whether you choose to buy that or not, is entirely up to you but you should know well by now that if I wanted to push someone's head up their ass, I don't beat about the bush but go straight for chain-saw.
Furthermore, I challenge you go back 20-30 pages and see for yourself if anything of what I said earlier was untrue. If so, then it can't be condescending and/or patronizing, can it? It becomes inconvenient truth. The inconvenient truth of an easily predictable pattern being the hallmark of lack of complexity of thinking.
If your response was the function of you not liking the idea of you being part of said predictable pattern, well, I for one never implied you were ... but if you saw it that way, then I suppose you have much more serious matters to worry about than whether I was/am being condescending and/or patronizing or not.
In case you really need to know - while admitting Matri's goal was a good one, I said that Muntari's goal was more important as a single situation fr the simple and obvious reason that every moment in a game is a function of the entire game up to that point. E.g if Muntari's goal did count there is no saying that the situation of Matri's off-side goal would have ever happened as the game would have had a very diff complexion altogether. Similarly, there is no way to tell for sure that had Muntari's goal counted, Juve would have scored 3 goals after that and won the game.
All in all, I said that game and especially single episode in a whole season wasn't the reason why Juve won the scudetto.
Interesting though how you directly assumed what I may have said/implied without obviously having much if any info on the matter. Not unlike many people here putting all PKs that went Milan's way in the same basket independent of whether they should have been given or not, I must say. Someone might even say that illinformed assumptions are bias' little sisters.
And you were worried about me being biased.
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I am not saying it wasn't soft i.e. on a diff day it may well not have been given or another ref may well not have given it on the same day under the same circumstances. It's just that quite a few people here have "selective" reading skills and see what they assume I am saying and not what I am actually saying.
Anyways, here is a little further on my opinion on the matter as part of a reply to a diff post:
unless you are implying that I am Galliani, I don't see the rationale of you assuming what he may or may not say 3 years from now - what is being said here is between me and some other people; Galliani is of absolutely no relevance here.
I mentioned that episode from the Barca-Milan game as an example that's relevant to the existing situation. Whether and what you decide to read into it is up to you. Doubt one assumption more or less would make a huge difference, context considered.
The Pk situation, AGAIN, was a 50-50 one - some refs would give it, some wouldn't based on how they judge the extent/severity of the existent contact. However said contact was not a product of my or the refs imagination - if you actually took a closer look at it, you'd see that the defender was pulling Balotellin in exactly the opposite direction he was trying to go in order to intersect the trajectory of the cross. Call it dangerous/stupid/careless defending but when a dfeneder makes a play like that they better calculate the risks well because a PK is the outcome often enough ... not always, but often enough.
The reason why it looks such a contentious call does not really stem from the call itself but the circumstances of how and when it happened (end of a game Milan needed to win) and that it was given for Milan (the source of everything evil in Italian footie, as per Juve fans these days - some even have a theory about it and are likely close to publishing a book or at least a paper on the phenomenon).
My point is that a foul is foul whether it takes place in the PA or not and whether it happens 3 min into the game or 3 min away from it's end; whether it decides which team gets relegated or which team goes onto playing the CL. Granted, many refs don't have the balls to treat situations separate from the circumstances in which they take place but it's how it should be. hence why previous history of whether similar situations have been or not given as PK shouldn't really matter much, tbh.
So, unless you are claiming that I am imagining the contact you quite frankly got squat on the "biased" front.
As for whether what I said earlier was condescending and/or patronizing, I assure you I meant it as a light-hearted remark, nothing more. Whether you choose to buy that or not, is entirely up to you but you should know well by now that if I wanted to push someone's head up their ass, I don't beat about the bush but go straight for chain-saw
.Furthermore, I challenge you go back 20-30 pages and see for yourself if anything of what I said earlier was untrue. If so, then it can't be condescending and/or patronizing, can it? It becomes inconvenient truth. The inconvenient truth of an easily predictable pattern being the hallmark of lack of complexity of thinking.
If your response was the function of you not liking the idea of you being part of said predictable pattern, well, I for one never implied you were ... but if you saw it that way, then I suppose you have much more serious matters to worry about than whether I was/am being condescending and/or patronizing or not.
In case you really need to know - while admitting Matri's goal was a good one, I said that Muntari's goal was more important as a single situation fr the simple and obvious reason that every moment in a game is a function of the entire game up to that point. E.g if Muntari's goal did count there is no saying that the situation of Matri's off-side goal would have ever happened as the game would have had a very diff complexion altogether. Similarly, there is no way to tell for sure that had Muntari's goal counted, Juve would have scored 3 goals after that and won the game.
All in all, I said that game and especially single episode in a whole season wasn't the reason why Juve won the scudetto.
Interesting though how you directly assumed what I may have said/implied without obviously having much if any info on the matter. Not unlike many people here putting all PKs that went Milan's way in the same basket independent of whether they should have been given or not, I must say. Someone might even say that illinformed assumptions are bias' little sisters.
And you were worried about me being biased.
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I am not saying it wasn't soft i.e. on a diff day it may well not have been given or another ref may well not have given it on the same day under the same circumstances. It's just that quite a few people here have "selective" reading skills and see what they assume I am saying and not what I am actually saying.
Anyways, here is a little further on my opinion on the matter as part of a reply to a diff post:
unless you are implying that I am Galliani, I don't see the rationale of you assuming what he may or may not say 3 years from now - what is being said here is between me and some other people; Galliani is of absolutely no relevance here.
I mentioned that episode from the Barca-Milan game as an example that's relevant to the existing situation. Whether and what you decide to read into it is up to you. Doubt one assumption more or less would make a huge difference, context considered.
Could you tell me when and who exactly made you the reference point and judge on what it means to be "unbiased"? I hope you realize that there is no such thing.
The Pk situation, AGAIN, was a 50-50 one - some refs would give it, some wouldn't based on how they judge the extent/severity of the existent contact. However said contact was not a product of my or the refs imagination - if you actually took a closer look at it, you'd see that the defender was pulling Balotellin in exactly the opposite direction he was trying to go in order to intersect the trajectory of the cross. Call it dangerous/stupid/careless defending but when a dfeneder makes a play like that they better calculate the risks well because a PK is the outcome often enough ... not always, but often enough.
The reason why it looks such a contentious call does not really stem from the call itself but the circumstances of how and when it happened (end of a game Milan needed to win) and that it was given for Milan (the source of everything evil in Italian footie, as per Juve fans these days - some even have a theory about it and are likely close to publishing a book or at least a paper on the phenomenon).
My point is that a foul is foul whether it takes place in the PA or not and whether it happens 3 min into the game or 3 min away from it's end; whether it decides which team gets relegated or which team goes onto playing the CL. Granted, many refs don't have the balls to treat situations separate from the circumstances in which they take place but it's how it should be. hence why previous history of whether similar situations have been or not given as PK shouldn't really matter much, tbh.
So, unless you are claiming that I am imagining the contact you quite frankly got squat on the "biased" front.
As for whether what I said earlier was condescending and/or patronizing, I assure you I meant it as a light-hearted remark, nothing more. Whether you choose to buy that or not, is entirely up to you but you should know well by now that if I wanted to push someone's head up their ass, I don't beat about the bush but go straight for chain-saw.
Furthermore, I challenge you go back 20-30 pages and see for yourself if anything of what I said earlier was untrue. If so, then it can't be condescending and/or patronizing, can it? It becomes inconvenient truth. The inconvenient truth of an easily predictable pattern being the hallmark of lack of complexity of thinking.
If your response was the function of you not liking the idea of you being part of said predictable pattern, well, I for one never implied you were ... but if you saw it that way, then I suppose you have much more serious matters to worry about than whether I was/am being condescending and/or patronizing or not.
In case you really need to know - while admitting Matri's goal was a good one, I said that Muntari's goal was more important as a single situation fr the simple and obvious reason that every moment in a game is a function of the entire game up to that point. E.g if Muntari's goal did count there is no saying that the situation of Matri's off-side goal would have ever happened as the game would have had a very diff complexion altogether. Similarly, there is no way to tell for sure that had Muntari's goal counted, Juve would have scored 3 goals after that and won the game.
All in all, I said that game and especially single episode in a whole season wasn't the reason why Juve won the scudetto.
Interesting though how you directly assumed what I may have said/implied without obviously having much if any info on the matter. Not unlike many people here putting all PKs that went Milan's way in the same basket independent of whether they should have been given or not, I must say. Someone might even say that illinformed assumptions are bias' little sisters.
And you were worried about me being biased.
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I am not saying it wasn't soft i.e. on a diff day it may well not have been given or another ref may well not have given it on the same day under the same circumstances. It's just that quite a few people here have "selective" reading skills and see what they assume I am saying and not what I am actually saying.
Anyways, here is a little further on my opinion on the matter as part of a reply to a diff post:
unless you are implying that I am Galliani, I don't see the rationale of you assuming what he may or may not say 3 years from now - what is being said here is between me and some other people; Galliani is of absolutely no relevance here.
I mentioned that episode from the Barca-Milan game as an example that's relevant to the existing situation. Whether and what you decide to read into it is up to you. Doubt one assumption more or less would make a huge difference, context considered.
The Pk situation, AGAIN, was a 50-50 one - some refs would give it, some wouldn't based on how they judge the extent/severity of the existent contact. However said contact was not a product of my or the refs imagination - if you actually took a closer look at it, you'd see that the defender was pulling Balotellin in exactly the opposite direction he was trying to go in order to intersect the trajectory of the cross. Call it dangerous/stupid/careless defending but when a dfeneder makes a play like that they better calculate the risks well because a PK is the outcome often enough ... not always, but often enough.
The reason why it looks such a contentious call does not really stem from the call itself but the circumstances of how and when it happened (end of a game Milan needed to win) and that it was given for Milan (the source of everything evil in Italian footie, as per Juve fans these days - some even have a theory about it and are likely close to publishing a book or at least a paper on the phenomenon).
My point is that a foul is foul whether it takes place in the PA or not and whether it happens 3 min into the game or 3 min away from it's end; whether it decides which team gets relegated or which team goes onto playing the CL. Granted, many refs don't have the balls to treat situations separate from the circumstances in which they take place but it's how it should be. hence why previous history of whether similar situations have been or not given as PK shouldn't really matter much, tbh.
So, unless you are claiming that I am imagining the contact you quite frankly got squat on the "biased" front.
As for whether what I said earlier was condescending and/or patronizing, I assure you I meant it as a light-hearted remark, nothing more. Whether you choose to buy that or not, is entirely up to you but you should know well by now that if I wanted to push someone's head up their ass, I don't beat about the bush but go straight for chain-saw
.Furthermore, I challenge you go back 20-30 pages and see for yourself if anything of what I said earlier was untrue. If so, then it can't be condescending and/or patronizing, can it? It becomes inconvenient truth. The inconvenient truth of an easily predictable pattern being the hallmark of lack of complexity of thinking.
If your response was the function of you not liking the idea of you being part of said predictable pattern, well, I for one never implied you were ... but if you saw it that way, then I suppose you have much more serious matters to worry about than whether I was/am being condescending and/or patronizing or not.
In case you really need to know - while admitting Matri's goal was a good one, I said that Muntari's goal was more important as a single situation fr the simple and obvious reason that every moment in a game is a function of the entire game up to that point. E.g if Muntari's goal did count there is no saying that the situation of Matri's off-side goal would have ever happened as the game would have had a very diff complexion altogether. Similarly, there is no way to tell for sure that had Muntari's goal counted, Juve would have scored 3 goals after that and won the game.
All in all, I said that game and especially single episode in a whole season wasn't the reason why Juve won the scudetto.
Interesting though how you directly assumed what I may have said/implied without obviously having much if any info on the matter. Not unlike many people here putting all PKs that went Milan's way in the same basket independent of whether they should have been given or not, I must say. Someone might even say that illinformed assumptions are bias' little sisters.
And you were worried about me being biased.
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I am not saying it wasn't soft i.e. on a diff day it may well not have been given or another ref may well not have given it on the same day under the same circumstances. It's just that quite a few people here have "selective" reading skills and see what they assume I am saying and not what I am actually saying.
Anyways, here is a little further on my opinion on the matter as part of a reply to a diff post:
unless you are implying that I am Galliani, I don't see the rationale of you assuming what he may or may not say 3 years from now - what is being said here is between me and some other people; Galliani is of absolutely no relevance here.
I mentioned that episode from the Barca-Milan game as an example that's relevant to the existing situation. Whether and what you decide to read into it is up to you. Doubt one assumption more or less would make a huge difference, context considered.
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