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The question that you have to ask yourself, Jack, is as of right now, is this year's version of Juventus, better than last year's version?
With the additions of Isla, Asamoah, Lucio, Giovinco, I would say that it certainly is, especially considering that no major components from last year's squad, as of right now, have left.
Compare that to Milan, who have seen their 2 best players leave, as well as a bunch of veterans as well. Yes, they are going to replace them, but will the replacements be anywhere as good as what already left? Tough to say.
Napoli added a couple of pieces for depth, but they lost a major component in Lavezzi. Time will tell if Vargas/Insigne can take that role, although they are vastly different types of players than what Lavezzi did for them.
Udinese has, or are in the process of selling half of their team. Their phoenomenal scouting department will always keep them in the hunt for a CL spot, but never quite enough to pose a serious threat for the Scudetto.
Inter is probably the wild card in all of this. They may pose the greatest threat to challenge Juve, but man for man, Juve is still the superior squad.
With the additions of Isla, Asamoah, Lucio, Giovinco, I would say that it certainly is, especially considering that no major components from last year's squad, as of right now, have left.
Compare that to Milan, who have seen their 2 best players leave, as well as a bunch of veterans as well. Yes, they are going to replace them, but will the replacements be anywhere as good as what already left? Tough to say.
Napoli added a couple of pieces for depth, but they lost a major component in Lavezzi. Time will tell if Vargas/Insigne can take that role, although they are vastly different types of players than what Lavezzi did for them.
Udinese has, or are in the process of selling half of their team. Their phoenomenal scouting department will always keep them in the hunt for a CL spot, but never quite enough to pose a serious threat for the Scudetto.
Inter is probably the wild card in all of this. They may pose the greatest threat to challenge Juve, but man for man, Juve is still the superior squad.
I said this already but pessimism plagues the forum. The only other team who are stronger than last season at this point are Roma.
Ultimately, Juventus are the only team who can really beat Juventus to the title this season. The only worry is how we handle two competitions, and if we end up trying to juggle and dropping both.
Ultimately, Juventus are the only team who can really beat Juventus to the title this season. The only worry is how we handle two competitions, and if we end up trying to juggle and dropping both.
We only improved what we were good at except for Giovinco whom I consider as lame as lame can get regardless of his 15 goals and 11 assists and whatever Suns 
inter and the rest promote him to be.
You should also remember il gol di Muntari and I have a strong feeling that the FIGC will try to punish us for that whenever they get the chance.
And all of this talk started when mentioning that Kaka is back to Serie A, back to his diving and back to giving Milan even more non-existing penalties.
Many are calling me pessimistic these days, whatever, I just don't think winning a Scudetto the next term is as easy as some are making it to be. let's see how much Conte will be banned first and if we will get a forward better than Pazzini (the best forward that I think we might get)
inter and the rest promote him to be.You should also remember il gol di Muntari and I have a strong feeling that the FIGC will try to punish us for that whenever they get the chance.
And all of this talk started when mentioning that Kaka is back to Serie A, back to his diving and back to giving Milan even more non-existing penalties.
Many are calling me pessimistic these days, whatever, I just don't think winning a Scudetto the next term is as easy as some are making it to be. let's see how much Conte will be banned first and if we will get a forward better than Pazzini (the best forward that I think we might get)
We only improved what we were good at except for Giovinco whom I consider as lame as lame can get regardless of his 15 goals and 11 assists and whatever Suns inter and the rest promote him to be.
You should also remember il gol di Muntari and I have a strong feeling that the FIGC will try to punish us for that whenever they get the chance.
And all of this talk started when mentioning that Kaka is back to Serie A, back to his diving and back to giving Milan even more non-existing penalties.
Many are calling me pessimistic these days, whatever, I just don't think winning a Scudetto the next term is as easy as some are making it to be. let's see how much Conte will be banned first and if we will get a forward better than Pazzini (the best forward that I think we might get)
inter and the rest promote him to be.You should also remember il gol di Muntari and I have a strong feeling that the FIGC will try to punish us for that whenever they get the chance.
And all of this talk started when mentioning that Kaka is back to Serie A, back to his diving and back to giving Milan even more non-existing penalties.
Many are calling me pessimistic these days, whatever, I just don't think winning a Scudetto the next term is as easy as some are making it to be. let's see how much Conte will be banned first and if we will get a forward better than Pazzini (the best forward that I think we might get)
I never said it was easy. All I'm saying is that on the field of play, where hopefully, things will be decided, Juventus is certainly a deeper, more athletic squad than they were even 3 months ago.
To expound on your point that they so far have only strengthened positions on the pitch that they were already strong at.
That is the whole point. Juventus won the title with a rock solid defense and a dominant midfield. Stretched out over three competitions, the moves made were an absolute necessity. Their midfield depth with the acquisitions of Isla, Asamoah, the potential increased playing time of Marrone, and the wildcard that is Pogba, allow Juve to mix and match to the point where the dropoff will be nowhere near as prevelant compared to if they had to field a midfield that composed of Padion and Pazienza for example.
The midfield was great for two reasons. #1) Less matches than their competitors in Serie A last season. #2) A minimal amount of injuries to said midfield. Now, if there is an injury to one of the MVP line, an Asamoah or Marrone can step in, and the impact will be significantly less.
The midfield, more than anything last year, is what brought Juve the success they achieved. It makes perfect sense to strengthen it.
Now, I know that the attack needs a pure goal scorer. Everyone here on this forum is well aware of it. However, that scoring threat is minimized if the midfield were to suffer loss of form or injuries, if that midfield was not strengthened.
You can have all the RVP's that you want on this team, but if that midfield is suffering, a midfield that was so dominant last year that everything flowed through them, then it wouldn't matter.
And in regards to any punishments/non-existing penalties, and the like, I think that you are dealing in variables here. Personally, I can't get upset over things that are out of Juve's control. I can only praise/criticize/analyze what I see on the pitch.
And keep in mind that although another Scudetto would be great, I'm not trying to make it sound as if I would settle for only that. Of course, i would want Juve to make a good run in the CL and Coppa Italia as well, and taht a true finisher would help to achieve taht.
If we look at Napoli as a reference point, then you have a legitimate concern.
However, Napoli's main issue last season had nothing to do with talent in the starting XI, but the amount of talent that they had in depth. they simply didn't have it last year in key positions.
Juve, one could say, have taken a lesson from Napoli, and have ensured that they do not suffer the same fate.
However, Napoli's main issue last season had nothing to do with talent in the starting XI, but the amount of talent that they had in depth. they simply didn't have it last year in key positions.
Juve, one could say, have taken a lesson from Napoli, and have ensured that they do not suffer the same fate.
I appreciate that, but after 15 or so games unbeaten we had a string of teams with that in their minds. We played teams with 8-9 behind the ball for 70% of the matches we played last season, and as champions it'll be much the same this season. What can they do, put even more guys behind the ball? If they choose to attack us that'll suit our set up more.
I believe Inter and Milan will surely be around the top 3-4, but also see the importance of the players they have lost. Some seem to assume that because Strama is a young, vibrant coach he is going to do what Conte did. What Conte did was exceptional, plus he also had better players to work with.
If they choose to attack us that'll suit our set up more.I believe Inter and Milan will surely be around the top 3-4, but also see the importance of the players they have lost. Some seem to assume that because Strama is a young, vibrant coach he is going to do what Conte did. What Conte did was exceptional, plus he also had better players to work with.
If this current Juve squad did not have players that have tasted success before (Buffon, Pirlo, Chiellini), then I would be more inclined to agree with you. But these are three pillars of the dressing room that know what it takes to not only get to the top, but to stay on top. I'm not overly concerned about the psyche of the squad in this regard.
In regards to vastly underrating the two Milan teams, as I had stated in my previous post(s), I had stated that as of right now, Juve are the superior squad. Certianly, things can change between now and August 31st, but I think that it is safe to say that both of those teams have a lot more to do in the next month to keep pace than what Juve have to do between now and then.
In regards to vastly underrating the two Milan teams, as I had stated in my previous post(s), I had stated that as of right now, Juve are the superior squad. Certianly, things can change between now and August 31st, but I think that it is safe to say that both of those teams have a lot more to do in the next month to keep pace than what Juve have to do between now and then.
I appreciate that, but after 15 or so games unbeaten we had a string of teams with that in their minds. We played teams with 8-9 behind the ball for 70% of the matches we played last season, and as champions it'll be much the same this season. What can they do, put even more guys behind the ball? If they choose to attack us that'll suit our set up more.
If they choose to attack us that'll suit our set up more.
No disagreement there. We already had the best team (team, not players) & I also think we have improved so we should be fine.
I just really don't expect us to just walk away from the Milan teams. I expect more from them than from Roma, for example.
I believe that too. Inter seem to be quietly building a strong Serie A team, with proven players in most positions. Stramaccioni will be more important than their squad quality.
I doubt the Europa League is much of a worry for them, their costs are far larger than the likes of Udinese so all focus must be on getting top 3 next season. Lets see what else they do, there definitely seems to be a bigger effort in getting over Mourinho for the first summer since he left.
Milan got a lot of money for a defender, and they could purchase a couple of good defenders for that amount. Zlatan, I don't think he's particularly vital if Allegri makes it more of a team, but Cassano seems to be making noises of leaving. A bit too chaotic for me to really pay attention to right now (on top of Juventus' own transfer sagas), at least Milan fans can have an exciting summer now, instead of hearing Galliani saying the market is finished for the club. That Kaká fellow might be a good midfielder.
I doubt the Europa League is much of a worry for them, their costs are far larger than the likes of Udinese so all focus must be on getting top 3 next season. Lets see what else they do, there definitely seems to be a bigger effort in getting over Mourinho for the first summer since he left.
Milan got a lot of money for a defender, and they could purchase a couple of good defenders for that amount. Zlatan, I don't think he's particularly vital if Allegri makes it more of a team, but Cassano seems to be making noises of leaving. A bit too chaotic for me to really pay attention to right now (on top of Juventus' own transfer sagas), at least Milan fans can have an exciting summer now, instead of hearing Galliani saying the market is finished for the club. That Kaká fellow might be a good midfielder.
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