[ITA] Serie A 2011/2012 (47 Viewers)

[Alen]

Only once I've seen in Italy what I regularly see the La Liga defenders do when Messi is around them.

Del Piero was involved and it was a serie B match. I'll try to find it.

 

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[The Curr]

I don't understand Merda's desire of Tevez. They also have four strikers... including their star purchase Forlan sitting on the bench.

I think they're just trying to push up the price that Meeelan will have to pay.

 

[Salvatore]

I don't understand Merda's desire of Tevez. They also have four strikers... including their star purchase Forlan sitting on the bench.

They have ambitions to be the best team they can possibly be? Tevez would go some way to make the absence Eto'o less noticeable, even though he isn't as good.

 

[Gian]

Hmm. Seems really odd for the next five/six weeks.

We will drop points, no doubt about that; Atalanta away, Udinese at home and Catania could be all tough matches for us.

Milan will drop points too. Lazio, Napoli and Udinese are all tough matches for them. Dont know if they have a CL match during that period of tough matches. I think that merda might find themselves higher up the table after these rounds.

We need to be in exceptional form.

 

[Halabalu]

After Mourinho leaving... Inter lost all sanity in their transfer politic !

 

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[Alen]

Only once I've seen in Italy what I regularly see the La Liga defenders do when Messi is around them.

Del Piero was involved and it was a serie B match. I'll try to find it.

I found it. Goal #4:

That's just like watching Messi vs La Liga defenses.

 

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[king Ale]

I found it. Goal #4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOcNkI-Qrt8&feature=related

That's just like watching Messi vs La Liga defenses.

Once upon a time in Serie A.

 

[JuveJay]

Once upon a time in Serie A.

That's a different kind of goal to what Alen is talking about, watch the Messina defenders.

 

[Alen]

Once upon a time in Serie A.

They tried to stop him but they couldn't. That's different from not even trying to stop the attacker, as it happens so often in La Liga against Messi or in the video I posted with the Crotone players.

 

[king Ale]

That's a different kind of goal to what Alen is talking about, watch the Messina defenders.

La Liga defenders too chase Messi/Ronaldo but are obviously way weaker technically than those two and can't handle the pace either. The goal Alex scored there against Messina is actually what that happens frequently in La Liga and not the one Alen posted earlier.

 

[king Ale]

They tried to stop him but they couldn't. That's different from not even trying to stop the attacker, as it happens so often in La Liga against Messi or in the video I posted with the Crotone players.

One could argue that Alex dribbled those defenders only and only thank to his technique while La Liga defenders have to cope with Messi and Ronaldo's pace as well.

 

[Alen]

La Liga defenders too chase Messi/Ronaldo but are obviously way weaker technically than those two and can't handle the pace either. The goal Alex scored there against Messina is actually what that happens frequently in La Liga and not the one Alen posted earlier.

Yes, when the result is 0:0 or 1:0. When it's 3:0, that's exactly how Messi scores at least 10 goals a season. Just like DP's goal against Crotone.

 

[Red]

I'm with the pro-Serie A folk on the Messi/Ronaldo thing.

You just need to watch how ineffective Messi is playing for Argentina in South American games.

Without the perfect set-up for him in support he not nearly as good and the South American defenders have the cynical streak that means they are happy just to step up and push Messi over (time and again) before he gets the chance to start running with the ball (when he is almost unstoppable).

I suspect Ronaldo's physical power would make him more effective in Serie A (though this would depend on what sort of team he was playing in).

Ronaldo could play similarly to what Eto'o did last season - drifting wide and driving in towards goal.

The space between defence and midfield that Messi likes to play in is remarkably difficult to find because so many teams play in such a compact fashion.

Juve probably need to be five or six points ahead of Milan after that run of games if they are going to win the title.

 

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[king Ale]

I'm with the pro-Serie A folk on the Messi/Ronaldo thing.

You just need to watch how ineffective Messi is playing for Argentina in South American games.

Without the perfect set-up for him in support he not nearly as good and the South American defenders have the cynical streak that means they are happy just to step up and push Messi over (time and again) before he gets the chance to start running with the ball (when he is almost unstoppable).

I suspect Ronaldo's physical power would make him more effective in Serie A (though this would depend on what sort of team he was playing in).

Ronaldo could play similarly to what Eto'o did last season - drifting wide and driving in towards goal.

The space between defence and midfield that Messi likes to play in is remarkably difficult to find because so many teams play in such a compact fashion.

Do you think he would be as ineffective if he was playing for Barca in South America?

My point was that Real and Barca would win their games as comfortably as they are now (and with more or less the same number of goals) if they played in Serie A.

 

[Red]

Do you think he would be as ineffective if he was playing for Barca in South America?

He'd do better than he does for Argentina, but not as well as he does in La Liga.

Italian and South American defenders just have a much greater natural cyncism and nastiness than the Spainish, which would see Messi fouled more and harder.

Then you have the greater tactical ability in Italy and the decades they've spent working on stopping flair players.

Spain is just trying to learn that art now to cope with Messi and Ronaldo, having spent years just playing their own way almost regardless of the opposition and primarily trying to outscore the opposition.

Takes a hell of a long time to have the defensive knowledge that is fairly deeply ingrained in Italy, even if the ability of Italian defenders is fairly unremakable at the moment.

My point was that Real and Barca would win their games as comfortably as they are now (and with more or less the same number of goals) if they played in Serie A.

I don't think they'd win as comfortably, even if they'd win almost as often.

7-0 would be 5-0, 5-0 would be 3-0.

Not a particularly significant difference, since they'd still be comfortable wins, but a difference nonetheless.

 

[Gabriel]

Messi would have had at least 1 serious injury by now if he was playing in SA and tried to pull the stuff he manages in La Liga.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Messi would have had at least 1 serious injury by now if he was playing in SA and tried to pull the stuff he manages in La Liga.

Especially in Argentina where defenders and midfielders don't really give a shit if they end your career.