[ITA] Serie A 2011/2012 (48 Viewers)

[Alen]

But it wouldn't have needed to take Ecuador to score three more goals, it would have only taken Croatia to score a goal, and Ale's goal handicapped them.

No, I gave you the standings in case Italy lost. (Mexico 9, ITA 3, ECU 3, CRO 3)

The final standings were these:
1. Mexico 7
2. Italy 4
3. Ecuador 3
4. Croatia 3

If Croatia scored a goal against Ecuador then we were gonna have 4 pts, just like Italy, and we were gonna qualify.
Del Piero's goal was absolutely meaningless in the end and it would have been meaningless for Italy too had Croatia equalized.

 

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[Salvatore]

He might've not been a choker but he was a bench player for a reason, guys. Italy was stacked back then. I haven't seen enough of Baggio to say if he was better but Totti was.

Surprised nobody reacted

You talking about playing for Italy or in general?

 

[ALC]

in general

 

[GordoDeCentral]

i thought you meant when he was starting over him, if you mean voerall you;re nuts

 

[Fake Melo]

Totti isn't a choker, Roma are.

 

[Alen]

For the bigger parts of their careers Totti and Del Piero were overall at the same level. Totti was never as incredibly good as Del Piero was in 1996-1998.

 

[Alen]

Hooristan?

 

[ALC]

I just like Totti's style more I guess. But yeah, he fit Italy better. Team wise, it's hard to say one's better than the other.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Nedved in 2003 takes the prize!

 

[Azzurri7]

Baggio did that at Vicenza, and again at Brescia. Which zacheryah said Baggio had never went through

Don't know if Baggio really had this injury at the age of 18.

But having this type of injury my friend at the age of 18 you can recover faster and better than if you are at the age of 25-26 (Ale's age vs Udine). When you are at your peak and you tear your ligament knee then you suffer to recover.

 

[Salvatore]

in general

I agree that Del Piero beats Totti at their best. Not really fussed though, they're both cool.

Totti has every chance to surpass Altafini and Meazza in the all time Serie A top scorers list, just 7 behind.

 

[king Ale]

No, I gave you the standings in case Italy lost. (Mexico 9, ITA 3, ECU 3, CRO 3)

The final standings were these:
1. Mexico 7
2. Italy 4
3. Ecuador 3
4. Croatia 3

If Croatia scored a goal against Ecuador then we were gonna have 4 pts, just like Italy, and we were gonna qualify.
Del Piero's goal was absolutely meaningless in the end and it would have been meaningless for Italy too had Croatia equalized.

That goal psychologically affected both Italy and Croatia. You say Ecuador needed to score three more goals in order to have Italy eliminated without Ale's goal but one more goal by them and one more goal by Mexico would have sufficed. It was by no means a meaningless goal, only if you stop being bitter about your team's elimination.

 

[king Ale]

I agree that Del Piero beats Totti at their best. Not really fussed though, they're both cool.

Totti has every chance to surpass Altafini and Meazza in the all time Serie A top scorers list, just 7 behind.

Totti's cool but he can't come close to Ale if you compare their overall careers.

 

[Alen]

That goal psychologically affected both Italy and Croatia. You say Ecuador needed to score three more goals in order to have Italy eliminated without Ale's goal but one more goal by them and one more goal by Mexico would have sufficed. It was by no means a meaningless goal, only if you stop being bitter about your team's elimination.

Sorry, that won't work. I was angry at the Croatian players, noone else. They only needed a draw to qualify and they lost to freakin' Ecuador. Absolutely nothing to do with Italy there, nor Mexico, and not even Ecuador.

It was sweet though how many times you changed the reason for which Del Piero's goal was decisive and "qualified Italy"

 

[Emmet]

Don't know if Baggio really had this injury at the age of 18.

But having this type of injury my friend at the age of 18 you can recover faster and better than if you are at the age of 25-26 (Ale's age vs Udine). When you are at your peak and you tear your ligament knee then you suffer to recover.

He really did have it at 18, they operated on him numerous times to fix him. Del Piero was 24 when he had the injury. I'm not saying alex's injury was a walk in the park, but Baggio was out for longer, took nearly 2 years for him to make a comeback, thats how bad it was.

 

[Azzurri7]

I agree that Del Piero beats Totti at their best. Not really fussed though, they're both cool.

Totti has every chance to surpass Altafini and Meazza in the all time Serie A top scorers list, just 7 behind.

Speaking of Serie A tally goals, Totti's advantage is that he played for 4 years if not more as the lone striker under Spalletti.

 

[king Ale]

Sorry, that won't work. I was angry at the Croatian players, noone else. They only needed a draw to qualify and they lost to freakin' Ecuador. Absolutely nothing to do with Italy there, nor Mexico, and not even Ecuador.

It was sweet though how many times you changed the reason for which Del Piero's goal was decisive and "qualified Italy"

Err no I didn't. It was an absolutely important goal which affected the flows of both games, even if in the end it statistically appeared that it hadn't made any difference.

 

[Alen]

Speaking of Serie A tally goals, Totti's advantage is that he played for 4 years if not more as the lone striker under Spalletti.

He also never played a season in B, a season as a bench player (DP - Capello) and didn't miss a whole season due to broken foot. Yes, two year difference between them, but DP didn't really score much in the last 2 seasons anyway, just like Totti won't in the next two seasons.

 

[Alen]

Err no I didn't. It was an absolutely important goal which affected the flows of both games, even if in the end it statistically appeared that it hadn't made any difference.

For Croatia that goal made no difference though and it was Croatia who was trying to equalize while Ecuador defended, even before DP scored his goal. It was only Croatia's fault that Italy qualified instead of them and Del Piero's goal had nothing to do with it.

And yes, you did mention lots of reasons, backtracking from each one after being proven wrong.

 

[king Ale]

For Croatia that goal made no difference though and it was Croatia who was trying to equalize while Ecuador defended, even before DP scored his goal. It was only Croatia's fault that Italy qualified instead of them and Del Piero's goal had nothing to do with it.

And yes, you did mention lots of reasons, backtracking from each one after being proven wrong.

You are right.