[ITA] Serie A 2007/2008 (11 Viewers)

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Roman

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Apr 19, 2003
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Tiago’s top of the flops Thursday 1 May, 2008

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Juventus midfielder Tiago Mendes has been voted the biggest transfer flop of the season in Serie A by an online poll.

There were high hopes for the Portuguese international when he joined the Old Lady from Lyon last summer, but he failed to settle in his new surroundings.

Tiago was lambasted by Press and fans alike during a disastrous first half of the season, but has regained some form in recent months.

Nonetheless, the 26-year-old’s dismal start proved enough to convince voters in the Corriere dello Sport’s survey that he was the worst buy of the campaign.

Lazio’s error-prone goalkeeper Fernando Muslera received the second largest quantity of votes, followed by Cagliari’s misfiring Argentine striker Joaquin Larrivey.

There are also mentions for two of Italy’s most respected hitmen.

Cristiano Lucarelli has failed to meet expectations at struggling Parma and Rolando Bianchi has looked a shadow of the man who inspired Reggina since joining Lazio.

The top 10 flops:

1. Tiago Mendes (Juventus)
2. Fernando Muslera (Lazio)
3. Joaquin Larrivey (Cagliari)
4. Diego Tristan (Livorno)
5. Alvaro Recoba (Torino)
6. Mauro Esposito (Roma)
7. Emerson (Milan)
8. Sergio Almiron (Juventus)
9. Rolando Bianchi (Lazio)
10. Cristiano Lucarelli (Parma)

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Expactations were high,results poor.
i agree.
 

Ahmedios

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Nov 11, 2006
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I like how Milan fans fancied Emerson as their new midfield survivor and that he'd gain a regular place in Milan's midfield once he joined the gang. Now and at the end of his first season with Milan, the Rossoneri are running on their hands before their feet to catch Fiorentina up.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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I think me and you have a different concept of young/youth players. Imo there are 2 types of youth players. A) someone is who is still raw/unfulfilled potential until the age of 22-23. in other words he is still developing and fighting for a spot to be among the big boys. B) a youth player who has achieved world class status.

You say that Man Utd's team is filled with youth. You say their 3 most important players are young players. I say that even though their team is filled with youth now, their 3 mot important players are world class players. It's not like they are running a bunch of 20 year olds from their youth academy and letting them play in their first team.

Keep in mind the fees that Man Utd paid for Rooney (31 million pounds) and Ronaldo (12 million pounds) Nani (18 million pounds ) Anderson (18 million pounds)

out of all those Anderson and Tevez are the ones who has made immediate impact, and who were already good enough to start anyway imo. None of the other players made quite an impact upoon first arriving at the club. You say their team is filled with youth players and are going to win the double. Well Keep in mind that before that, Man Utd went 4 trophy less years. They went those years because they were relying on Ronaldo (crap in his first 3 years) and Rooney (still was Raw at that time) as first team players. It's only after those terrible and awful years that Ronaldo starts performing. It's funny how you mention that you want a team filled with youth. I ask this because I wonder would you have sticked by Ronaldo for 4 years until he started fulfilling his potential? Because the way I see it, you want players like Nocerino and Palladino out because they have no end product (similar to Ronaldo's crap seasons). you judge them based on their first season with us in Serie A. Well Would you wait another year with them? What about if Giovinco doesn't perform in the next 2 season with us?

Keep in mind that we don't have as much as money as before, Andy. We can't go around like Man Utd splash 20 million euros and a kid in the hope that he will make it big, especially considering how many problems our teams has right now . Yeah sure let's buy a CHEAP youngster and bring back 3 of our own and let them develop. But we can't have a team of kids running around. We need to make a balance.
I'm not trying to argue that we shouldn't have a well balanced side in terms of age. What I'm saying is that there is no reason why we shouldn't take chances on youngsters such Piatti or Ivanovic who have proven talent. We have seen good talent after good talent be snapped up by other clubs for far too long, for prices that we could afford, and nobody seems to be angry at that fact. Considering we can waste 25 million on players who don't even play, surely we can allocate some funds to purchasing some younger talents. It's not like arguing we should have an average age of 20 here or something.

What people don't understand is this: You're right, we don't have as much money as we once did! Therefore, how the hell are we going to afford the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Carvalho, De Rossi, Aquilani, Keita, Diego, Lucho, and the rest of the players out there who have ESTABLISHED themselves and therefore will require us to spend a lot. We have seen how our transfer campaign worked out last summer, with Secco buying an injured Andrade and a Tiago whom, at least I knew, would never be like a Nedved for us. We seem to be stuck in this funk where we are forced into buying players such as Almiron because yeah, the market is suffering from inflation right now. The fact Stendardo is valued at 7 million is completely baffling, but we are getting stuck with these sort of players.

So what are we supposed to do? Keep purchasing players such as these, or allocating some money to players who are younger but have more talent? Either way, we will be spending money and taking on RISK, which could cost us. But too bad these younger talents would probably cost a little less than the likes of Tiago if we buy them BEFORE they come to a big European league, not wait around like a bunch of scared douchebags. Either way, unless we spend the money, we won't be purchasing world class players anyway.

And yes, I would be willing to wait to build a great side that would challenge for top honors for years, like Arsenal and Manure.

I really don't have a clue why you brought up Nocerino and Palladingo to counter the likes of Ronaldo. The latter, in all his seasons with United prior to this one, showed us that he could be damn good one day while still adding to the side while playing. Nocerino and Palladingo add pretty much nothing to the team at the moment, so please don't use them as examples because they're utterly poor. I mean jeez, that's just a really horrendous comparison because nobody has been crazy about them besides hopeful Juventus fans. Fergie doesn't give a crap about the Dingo anymore.

I just don't understand how it seems like only a few people here are outraged that we keep losing out on talented young players. When Moggi was here it was the likes of Hleb, Rosicky, Kaka and Ronaldo. People could see they had loads of talent, but many still admitted they didn't want such players because they were "unproven." Well look at them now. I'm just tired of this fucking nonsense.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Actually, Man U have a very good balance between experience and youth unlike Arsenal for example. That's why they have been more successful. Yes, Manure are more or less dependent on their younger players such as Ronaldo, Rooney etc.. However, as Lion pointed out, it has been their 4th season without a title and bear in mind that they have yet to win one. They could very easilly lose the league title and the champions league. At the moment, they are far from dominant.
:shifty:

Manure won the title last season and the FA Cup in either 2004 or 2005.

Far from dominant? Manure has played damn well the past three years. Well then who the hell is dominant right now? Inter?
 

rounder

Blindman
Jun 13, 2007
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:shifty:

Manure won the title last season and the FA Cup in either 2004 or 2005.

Far from dominant? Manure has played damn well the past three years. Well then who the hell is dominant right now? Inter?
In 4 years they have won 1 premiership title. I don't see that as dominant. Chelsea was dominating English football for the past few years. They look like they can do it again this year.

My point was that players like Ronaldo have been playing for Manure for quite a while and haven't achieved too much.

Man ure really haven't been domianant, it may seem so because Arsenal have performed so poorly in the second half of the season. Remember how far away CHelsea was from Manure? Now, they have the same number of points. It's because Manure have played so badly in so many games.

In the C.L, Manure didn't exactly convince everyone they deserve a place in the final. Really, they have been far from flawless. They have lost many points this season and had Arsenal continued playing the same way they were at the start of the season, we would be calling them Premier league winners.

Call me biased, but I really think Manure have been more fortunate than dominant this season.
 

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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In 4 years they have won 1 premiership title. I don't see that as dominant. Chelsea was dominating English football for the past few years. They look like they can do it again this year.

My point was that players like Ronaldo have been playing for Manure for quite a while and haven't achieved too much.

Man ure really haven't been domianant, it may seem so because Arsenal have performed so poorly in the second half of the season. Remember how far away CHelsea was from Manure? Now, they have the same number of points. It's because Manure have played so badly in so many games.

In the C.L, Manure didn't exactly convince everyone they deserve a place in the final. Really, they have been far from flawless. They have lost many points this season and had Arsenal continued playing the same way they were at the start of the season, we would be calling them Premier league winners.

Call me biased, but I really think Manure have been more fortunate than dominant this season.
True, especially your last statement. In a league that is so close that the top spot is separated by mere points and secondary determinants, its very clear that its fortune and and not dominance.
 

Ahmedios

Senior Member
Nov 11, 2006
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Egyptian enters Roma frame

An Egyptian businessman is in pole position to take over Roma, according to Italian sources.


The Giallorossi look certain to change owners because the club’s parent company Italpetroli have debts of around £290m.

Administrative delegate Rosella Sensi seemed set to bid farewell to the club with American tycoons George Soros and John Joseph Fisher reportedly considering bids, but there have been no concrete developments.

Now it seems that Egyptian businessman Naguib Onsi Sawiris – chairman of Italian telecom operator Wind who are already Roma’s main sponsor – could step up the to mark.

It is estimated that Sawiris has a fortune of nearly £10 billion and could financially outmuscle Fisher and Soros.

Sensi is expected to stay at the club in a managerial role even if a takeover is completed, but she is currently under police protection from supporters who believe she is trying to prevent the club’s sale.

Source: Football Italia
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Once I read that he's Egyptian, I didn't even think about it twice; it's Sawiris. The man just made it to the top 100 richest persons in 2007. He's the owner of Mobinil (The leading mobile operator in Egypt with Vodafone).
 

Bozi

The Bozman
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Oct 18, 2005
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roma have won,what?2 scudetti?bring 1 as chairman and they will sing your name for an eternity. or maybe he sees a team that with proper marketing could become a massive cash-cow
 

Ahmedios

Senior Member
Nov 11, 2006
5,107
Why is everybody keen on buying Roma? Why not Juve or Fiorentina for example?
We don't hear daily about someone who wants to buy an Italian team. Maybe just because Roma is facing some financial problems.

I myself don't think I'll easily accept the notion of someone/family other than Agnelli to take over Juventus, in spite of their rigid financial policy. Just traditions, my friend.
 

rounder

Blindman
Jun 13, 2007
7,233
roma have won,what?2 scudetti?bring 1 as chairman and they will sing your name for an eternity. or maybe he sees a team that with proper marketing could become a massive cash-cow

Yeah. Good point. Exactly what is happening at Chelsea at the moment.
We don't hear daily about someone who wants to buy an Italian team. Maybe just because Roma is facing some financial problems.

I myself don't think I'll easily accept the notion of someone/family other than Agnelli to take over Juventus, in spite of their rigid financial policy. Just traditions, my friend.
I actually wouldn't mind someone else taking control of Juve. I don't exactly have blind trust towards the Agnelli heirs. They really aren't exactly experts in the footballing field, we could use the money too.
 
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