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Jim_Boi

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Calcio Debate: How Many More Penalties Inter?

Inter Milan were awarded yet another penalty at the weekend – their seventh of the Serie A season. Carlo Garganese investigates the supposed favouritism towards the Nerazzurri.

"As usual, Inter needed help to win," blasted Parma Coach Domenico Di Carlo after his side’s hugely controversial 3-2 defeat at San Siro.

For those of you who have been living under a rock for the past few days, I will briefly recall the events of Sunday evening.

League-leaders Inter seemed set for their first league defeat of the season as they trailed Parma 2-1 going into the closing stages. In the 88th minute Gialloblu veteran Fernando Couto raced back to clear a Zlatan Ibrahimovic effort off the line, and after meeting the ball first with his head, it inadvertently took the slightest of brushes off his forearm.

The referee sent off Couto, and Ibrahimovic scored the penalty. The Swede then struck again in injury time to hand Inter a dramatic 3-2 win, and thus maintain their seven point lead over Roma at the top of Serie A.

Domenico Di Carlo was not the only Parma figure to slam the officials after the game.

"Everyone saw a header by Couto; only the linesman also saw a handball by our defender," thundered President Tommaso Ghirardi.

"Then there was a clear penalty in our favour in the first half [which wasn't awarded].”

Roma boss Luciano Spalletti, who saw the chance of moving to within four points of Inter snatched away from him, had a similar view.

“There were some suspect incidents at the Inter-Parma game,” he told Radio Anch’io Sport.

Cristiano Lucarelli summed up better than anyone the way that virtually all non-Inter supporters felt about the situation when he said:

“Inter scored in the only way they could have – from the penalty spot.”

The truth is that if referee Andrea Gervasoni was going to apply the literal interpretation of the law, then he was probably correct to award Inter the penalty. However it is important to note that when Couto brushed the ball with his hand, it made no difference whatsoever to the trajectory of the ball.

Enough with the technical arguments though.

The bigger picture it seems is that referees are looking for any excuse to give Inter a penalty. You can bet your bottom dollar that any 50/50 decision (even 40/60 or 30/70 for that matter) in the opposition box is going to result in a spot-kick.

The week before Inter were awarded a quite ludicrous penalty against Siena after a harmless coming together in the box between Julio Cruz and Paul Codrea. The score at the time of the incident was 0-0.

Nobody can doubt that Inter, domestically, are the strongest team in Italy – that is self-explanatory. However the truth is that Inter have probably obtained 5 to 8 points more this season due to poor officiating.

With 19 games in Serie A gone so far, Inter have been awarded an incredible seven spot-kicks, with a number of these being highly dubious and more importantly, decisive. Thus at this present ratio – the Beneamata will win 14 spot-kicks by the end of the campaign. In return Inter have so far conceded just one penalty.

Historically it is well-known that the bigger teams obtain more favours from referees – this was evident in the past when Juventus in particular were accused of profiting from the odd-debatable decision.

The Calcio community is fast ganging up on Inter due to these repeated occurrences.

"It was a victory that could do more damage to Inter than a draw or a defeat," said La Repubblica's Gianni Mura on Monday morning.

Never was a statement more true, and there is a deep feeling of hatred really building up against Inter. In football there is winning and there is losing and teams need to know how to do both in the right way.

For the many years from 1989 that Inter never won a major title they were always bad losers. Now that they are the outstanding dominant side in Italy, it seems that they do not know how to win with grace and elegance either. Recent reports coming from Italy suggest that they have just declared a press silence, possibly because they feel they are being victimised by the media for the reporting on the Parma match on Sunday.

In simple terms – Inter are a public relations disaster!

What are your views on the number of penalties Inter are receiving? Are they being favoured by officials? Do you think that the Nerazzurri are a PR disaster? Goal.com wants to know what YOU think…

Carlo Garganese

goal.com

I get a feeling that CARLO GARGANESE doesn't like Inter whatsoever. But I think I see a CALCIOPOLI(the real one) in the horizon.

PS: Mark I think we should open a thread for random interesting articles, but I don't know where?
 

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Mutu avoids 'dive’ ban
Tuesday 22 January, 2008

Fiorentina striking star Adrian Mutu has avoided suspension for a suspected dive against Torino last weekend.

The Romanian won a penalty after Granata defender Salvatore Lanna crossed his path, but there seemed to be little to no contact.

Judge Gianpaolo Tosel reviewed video evidence today but decided that a trip could not be ruled out and Mutu won’t face any action.

Napoli boss Edy Reja didn’t get off so lightly and is banned from the bench for a game after his outburst at referee Christian Brighi during the Vesuviani’s 2-2 draw with Lazio.

The suspensions in full:

Three games: Stendardo (Lazio)

One game: Blasi (Napoli), Couto (Parma), Campagnaro (Sampdoria), Corini (Torino), Cozza (Reggina), Criscito (Genoa), Mutarelli (Lazio), De Rossi (Roma), Sardo (Catania)
 

Karim Abdoun

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Jul 11, 2006
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The most interesting part of this guy's article is that he only mentions two incidents, the Siena match and the Parma match, and then he develops his theory along the lines of thos two matches soley and gving to people his conclusion depending soley on these two incidents only, hardly scientific in my mind :)

I think the article could go somewhere if the guy could prove to me the other dubious calls for us in other matches?




And Juv3nal, "REAL" Calciopoli? What is that?
Anyways, let's not go there
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Ban the divers and ban the referees who gave a penalty kick for a dive. That's the only way to solve this problem. And don't suspend them for 1 or 2 matches. Ban them with minimum 5 matches suspension and then watch if they'll dive again.

There were hundreds of dives in serie A this year (some of them from our players) and if i'm not wrong only Zalayeta was suspended.
Players see they can easily get away with it and they dive all the time.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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The most interesting part of this guy's article is that he only mentions two incidents, the Siena match and the Parma match, and then he develops his theory along the lines of thos two matches soley and gving to people his conclusion depending soley on these two incidents only, hardly scientific in my mind :)

I think the article could go somewhere if the guy could prove to me the other dubious calls for us in other matches?




And Juv3nal, "REAL" Calciopoli? What is that?
Anyways, let's not go there
Karim, i see Turk is online

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Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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The most interesting part of this guy's article is that he only mentions two incidents, the Siena match and the Parma match, and then he develops his theory along the lines of thos two matches soley and gving to people his conclusion depending soley on these two incidents only, hardly scientific in my mind :)
I just want to remind you that You (your team, your players, your fans) demanded a whole scudetto based only on one single incident in 1998. Some of you still claim that Juve stole that scudetto only because a penalty wasn't given to Inter.

I'm really glad you're in this situation Karim. You know that your team is the strongest by far, you know that there were few incidents where you were favoured and you know that you were going to lead the standings even without these incidents.
But then you read how everyone is making an elephant out of the fly and how you're geting the cheaters tag and it makes you angry. You feel that no-one's fair towards your team and you're trying to prove to everyone that the actual situation is not as the papers make it out to be. But no-one's listening to what you say and they continue thinking that you're nothing else but cheaters.

Welcome to the world of the Juve fans pre-Calciopoli

This will not have the desired effect. It'll backfire probably. The refs will be too reluctant and hestitant to reward any penalty at all.
Dude, i was angry when i read that Mutu got away with the dive. And i never make sense when i'm angry. :pumpkin:
Yes, refs can not be banned for one single mistake during the match.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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:p

Honestly, i didn't give it much thought at all. I was mad the best player of our rivals got away with the dive.

Something must be done with the ref mistakes though. The big mistakes, like giving/not giving a penalty. Video replays are the obvious solution, but until it's accepted there must be some way to solve this.
Refs are human and it's normal for them to make mistakes. It's impossibile to find out if they made a mistake or a "mistake".
But we have to make sure there will be no "mistakes" so some kind of symbolic ban should be given to them.
For example, punish them somehow if they give an inexisting penalty AND if they don't give a clear penalty. Give them a serie C match in the middle of nowhere to officiate if they make a big mistake during the match. That way they may still make mistakes but at least we'll know it wasn't on purpose.

Beh, i'm not smart enough to find the solution.
 

AngelaL

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Aug 25, 2006
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Great articles Dule90! @Unfortunately, I can only +rep you once.

Calcio Debate: How Many More Penalties Inter?

Inter Milan were awarded yet another penalty at the weekend............

......For the many years from 1989 that Inter never won a major title they were always bad losers. Now that they are the outstanding dominant side in Italy, it seems that they do not know how to win with grace and elegance either. Recent reports coming from Italy suggest that they have just declared a press silence, possibly because they feel they are being victimised by the media for the reporting on the Parma match on Sunday.

In simple terms – Inter are a public relations disaster!

What are your views on the number of penalties Inter are receiving? Are they being favoured by officials? Do you think that the Nerazzurri are a PR disaster? Goal.com wants to know what YOU think…

Carlo Garganese

goal.com
:rofl:

I get a feeling that CARLO GARGANESE doesn't like Inter whatsoever. But I think I see a CALCIOPOLI(the real one) in the horizon.
:eyebrows:

PS: Mark I think we should open a thread for random interesting articles, but I don't know where?
Open a "Laugh at inter" thread?

:p

Honestly, i didn't give it much thought at all. I was mad the best player of our rivals got away with the dive.

Something must be done with the ref mistakes though. The big mistakes, like giving/not giving a penalty. Video replays are the obvious solution, but until it's accepted there must be some way to solve this.
Refs are human and it's normal for them to make mistakes. It's impossibile to find out if they made a mistake or a "mistake".
But we have to make sure there will be no "mistakes" so some kind of symbolic ban should be given to them.
For example, punish them somehow if they give an inexisting penalty AND if they don't give a clear penalty. Give them a serie C match in the middle of nowhere to officiate if they make a big mistake during the match. That way they may still make mistakes but at least we'll know it wasn't on purpose.

Beh, i'm not smart enough to find the solution.
I agree Alen! For the past couple of years, the standards of referees in Italy have been diabolical! Ten year olds having a kick-about in the street can referee themselves better. They really need a kick in the proverbial, as do their bosses, who must accept responsibility for this. Perhaps a REAL calciopoli is needed, but I wouldn't trust the Italian courts to be impartial about it. Perhaps the EEC caourts are needed to sort the mess out.
 

Dostoevsky

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Roma Will Be Champions - Totti

Francesco Totti, perhaps boosted by Inter's slight dip in form, has reiterated Roma's Scudetto ambitions.

Roma captain Francesco Totti reiterated that he still believes his side have what it takes to wrestle the Scudetto away from Inter.

"Roma will win the Scudetto, while Inter will only finish second," 'Er Pupone' proclaimed. He also said he felt the race for the title now involves just two teams: "I think that for the Scudetto it's a two-horse race between Roma and Inter, with all respect to other teams..."

The Giallorossi's number 10 could not avoid talking about the serious pre-match incidents before Roma-Catania on last Sunday, with three Sicilian fans getting knifed.

"Whoever behaves like that doesn't deserve to be called a fan," Totti continued, "indipendently of who they support. A match should be a peaceful event.

"Teasing and making jokes aimed at other teams is nice, I love that kind of stuff, but violence is something else, it's an absurd and negative phenomenon."

goal.com
 

sateeh

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Jul 28, 2003
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tbh i was very impressed by the romanisti after the break. They have been just solid and have won many games without their usual need to "impress". They have realised that you don't need to win every game 4-0.

If they continue like that they could give the interisti a good run for their money.
 

ZhiXin

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Oct 1, 2004
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tbh i was very impressed by the romanisti after the break. They have been just solid and have won many games without their usual need to "impress". They have realised that you don't need to win every game 4-0.

If they continue like that they could give the interisti a good run for their money.
Provided that they remain focused and don't go off to dreamland during a game.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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Ban the divers and ban the referees who gave a penalty kick for a dive. That's the only way to solve this problem. And don't suspend them for 1 or 2 matches. Ban them with minimum 5 matches suspension and then watch if they'll dive again.

There were hundreds of dives in serie A this year (some of them from our players) and if i'm not wrong only Zalayeta was suspended.
Players see they can easily get away with it and they dive all the time.
I sort of agree with you. Problem is that Italy kind of has a culture rooted in rewarding protests at its roots. It would be a hard thing to shake.

I never thought I would come to this, but this season I've found more reason to admire leagues like the EPL. By comparison, their refs don't stand for theatrics. And rather than dish out the soft penalties, they force players to play through the inevitable and incidental bumps and taps that happen in the box. Fans get a better game, referees don't decide outcomes as often, and the general victor is a more deserving one -- based on merit more than charity.

This will not have the desired effect. It'll backfire probably. The refs will be too reluctant and hestitant to reward any penalty at all.
I would agree with you if not for the fact that this season things have been erring far too heavily on the side of referee intervention. Players are not given the incentives to play through tackles and make the most of borderline situations. So instead, they flop. And it's not just Inter.

And Serie A gags this year because of it. :inter:
 

Seven

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I sort of agree with you. Problem is that Italy kind of has a culture rooted in rewarding protests at its roots. It would be a hard thing to shake.

I never thought I would come to this, but this season I've found more reason to admire leagues like the EPL. By comparison, their refs don't stand for theatrics. And rather than dish out the soft penalties, they force players to play through the inevitable and incidental bumps and taps that happen in the box. Fans get a better game, referees don't decide outcomes as often, and the general victor is a more deserving one -- based on merit more than charity.



I would agree with you if not for the fact that this season things have been erring far too heavily on the side of referee intervention. Players are not given the incentives to play through tackles and make the most of borderline situations. So instead, they flop. And it's not just Inter.

And Serie A gags this year because of it. :inter:
There have been some very odd calls in EPL as well, but mostly due to the rules of the game, which have been fucked up entirely by FIFA. Rumour has it that they're using cameras in England by the way.
 

Dostoevsky

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Bianchi signs for Lazio

Manchester City striker Rolando Bianchi has signed for Lazio after a series of meetings in Rome this afternoon.

The 24-year-old had looked set to pen a deal with Torino, but Lazio President Claudio Lotito appears to have made a better offer.

The Biancocelesti are believed to have agreed a permanent transfer and will pay a fee of around £10m in three annual instalments.

The details of the agreement are yet to be announced, but it is suspected that Bianchi will undergo a medical today and be unveiled at some stage tomorrow afternoon.

Having signed for Manchester City from Reggina for £8.8m last summer, Bianchi never settled in the Premier League and leaves after 15 appearances – mostly as a substitute – and four goals.

"I want to thank all the City fans as they welcomed me with such great affection and immediately made me feel like one of them," Bianchi said in a brief statement.

"I will always take their passion with me and will never forget the great song - 'Rolando Bianchi, he comes from Italy, he plays for Man City'.

"I would also like to thank the President, his family and everyone at the club who made it able for me to experience the Premier League."

The former Atalanta youth product will now hope to revitalise his career in the Eternal City and restart his push for a space in Roberto Donadoni's Euro 2008 squad.

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He became best paid player in Lazio with 1.5mln euros per year.
 
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