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Dominic

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tbh..i dont see Cambiasso as a destroyer himself..he isnt a great tackler..but he isnt a mastermind passer either..he's somewhere in between..kind of like Tiago imo.
I agree that Cambiasso has abilities both defensively and offensively. His main job is usually to disrupt the opponent's attacks though, he has a great interception ability and he's very energetic. Hence i'd still classify him as defensive midfielder. Tiago's strengths on the other hand do lie more upfront and Tiago is much weaker when it comes to winning balls. Essien and Cambiasso compare better. His decent offensive abilites stem from him playing as an offensive midfielder at the start of his carreer, he really found his place as defensive midfielder though.


Essien and Makelele are not only 10x the player Cambiasso is but 100x. Cambiasso is an average player, C. Zanetti is way better than him.
I like Zanetti too, but your opinion is based on blind bias i'm afraid.
 

Fred

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I agree that Cambiasso has abilities both defensively and offensively. His main job is usually to disrupt the opponent's attacks though, he has a great interception ability and he's very energetic. Hence i'd still classify him as defensive midfielder. Tiago's strengths on the other hand do lie more upfront and Tiago is much weaker when it comes to winning balls. Essien and Cambiasso compare better. His decent offensive abilites stem from him playing as an offensive midfielder at the start of his carreer, he really found his place as defensive midfielder though.

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i wasnt comparing their defensive abilities(Tiago and Cambiasso)..i was just saying that they're both similar, in the sense that they're neither offensive nor defensive minded..both are middle ground imo....Cambiasso is a very good passer, and he isnt bad technically..Defensively i think i could name 7-8 midfielders with better ball winnning capabilities..imo he is much more offensive minded than Essien..but also less than Tiago probably..
 

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Calcio Debate: Serie A Team Of The Season So Far

With Serie A currently in its winter break, Carlo Garganese offers his team of the season so far.

Goalkeeper: Gianluigi Buffon (Juventus) – Julio Cesar and Sebastien Frey will feel they have every right to own this position, however the truth is that Buffon has pulled off numerous world-class saves so far this campaign. The stop from Tommaso Rocchi in week 16 was one of the greatest saves I have ever seen.

Right Back: Maicon (Inter) – Maicon has been in stunning form for Inter and is now arguably the best right wing-back in the world along with Sevilla’s Daniel Alves. His defensive qualities, like most Brazilians could do with a little improvement, however he more than makes up for this offensively.

Centre Back: Ivan Cordoba (Inter) – The Colombian 'Jack-in-the-box’ has been an absolute colossus for Inter this season and is one of the key reasons why they have conceded just nine goals in 17 games. The best defender in Serie A so far this term.

Centre Back: Giorgio Chiellini (Juventus) – Chiellini edges out Inter’s Walter Samuel and Fiorentina’s Alessandro Gamberini for a spot alongside Cordoba. The Juve man has been a revelation ever since switching into the centre of defence from his natural left back position. Chiellini’s heart, determination, and character has symbolized everything that the Bianconeri are about.

Left Back: Juan Manuel Vargas (Catania) – The Peruvian international joined Catania from Colon de Santa Fe in 2006 and has proved a massive hit in Serie A. European giants such as Juventus, Liverpool and Roma are all interested in the 24-year-old who surely has a big career ahead of him.

Centre Midfield: Javier Zanetti (Inter) – The Nerazzurri captain has been consistently world class for more than a decade, and at the age of 34 he is showing no signs of slowing down. Inter may not be a very popular side at the moment, however I think you will struggle to find anyone who dislikes Il Trattore. Brilliant Player!

Centre Midfield: Daniele De Rossi (Roma) – Despite sitting in second position in the Serie A table, few Roma players have really stood out on an individual level. The Giallorossi, despite containing numerous great players, have shown a real team unity, and no one has held this together better than De Rossi. Surely the heir to Francesco Totti as the symbol of the club.

Centre Midfield: Esteban Cambiasso (Inter) – Undoubtedly the best defensive midfielder in world football currently. Cambiasso reminds me very much of Didier Deschamps during his pomp, and he has been just as crucial to Inter’s success this season, as the Frenchman was to Juventus’ triumphs during the Marcello Lippi years.

Trequartista: Cristiano Doni (Atalanta) – If we are talking about consistency then Doni is another player who has excelled over the years. The veteran is as prolific a goalscoring midfielder as Frank Lampard is in the English Premiership. The Italian has hit the back of the net seven times in 12 games and has been a key factor in Atalanta’s fine season so far.

Centre Forward: David Trezeguet (Juventus) – This selection was a no-brainer when you consider that Trezeguet has made the best start to a club season in his entire career. Undoubtedly the best finisher in world football at the moment, the fact that he cannot get into Raymond Domenech’s French squad is quite frankly an insult. With 13 goals, he is the Capocannonieri leader.

Centre Forward: Julio Cruz (Inter) – It was a straight battle out of Cruz and Zlatan Ibrahimovic for the spot alongside Trezeguet, however the Argentine wins the fight. While Ibra has shown a tendency to under-perform in the big games, Cruz has produced his best during these matches, scoring against Juventus, Milan, Roma and Fiorentina. With 10 goals he is second top-scorer in the league behind Trezeguet.

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Centre Forward: David Trezeguet (Juventus) – This selection was a no-brainer when you consider that Trezeguet has made the best start to a club season in his entire career. Undoubtedly the best finisher in world football at the moment, the fact that he cannot get into Raymond Domenech’s French squad is quite frankly an insult. With 13 goals, he is the Capocannonieri leader.
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Alltagsheld

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Centre Forward: David Trezeguet (Juventus) – This selection was a no-brainer when you consider that Trezeguet has made the best start to a club season in his entire career. Undoubtedly the best finisher in world football at the moment, the fact that he cannot get into Raymond Domenech’s French squad is quite frankly an insult. With 13 goals, he is the Capocannonieri leader.
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Their whole selection looks acceptable to me. Maybe the smaller teams should be represented a little more with Hamsik gettig a place or Di Natale since He almost kept Udinese running on his own. Overall, it's okay.
 
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On the whole I don't really agree with all the selections, but the best finisher in the world comment seems to be accurate.

The choice of Maicon seems to be one where they couldn't think of any players recognisable by name.

Cruz, Trez, Cordoba, Buffon, Doni and Vargas (just!) all deserve place.
 

pitbull

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Khm? Best keeper in the world, best defensive midfielder, best finisher etc. The author really overrates the power of serie a. This is the third league after la liga and epl. Surely, im not the one who likes this fact, but i cant deny that. So, the very best players comes from the very best league not from the third best. Its like the story about big fish in small pool and the small fish in big ocean.
 

Alltagsheld

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Khm? Best keeper in the world, best defensive midfielder, best finisher etc. The author really overrates the power of serie a. This is the third league after la liga and epl. Surely, im not the one who likes this fact, but i cant deny that. So, the very best players comes from the very best league not from the third best. Its like the story about big fish in small pool and the small fish in big ocean.
Yes, you're right, most of the explanations behind the choices suck (especially the one for Cambiasso).
 

Fred

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Buffon is definitely the best keeper in the world though....and he didnt say Trez was the best striker in the world..he said he was the best finisher..but like i said before..he went overboard with the Cambiasso comment.
 

pitbull

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Buffon is definitely the best keeper in the world though....and he didnt say Trez was the best striker in the world..he said he was the best finisher..but like i said before..he went overboard with the Cambiasso comment.
Best in the world is really sick. U can be the best 100m runner, the best freestyle swimmer, but football is team game and if u dont play against great teams from week to week, and save average player shots, u cant say that u are better than those guys who play in CL and La Liga/EPL. Buffon and Trez have played maybe 5-10 highest quality games this season, and thats just absurd comparison.
 

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Centre Forward: David Trezeguet (Juventus) – This selection was a no-brainer when you consider that Trezeguet has made the best start to a club season in his entire career. Undoubtedly the best finisher in world football at the moment, the fact that he cannot get into Raymond Domenech’s French squad is quite frankly an insult. With 13 goals, he is the Capocannonieri leader.
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the british would obviously see this as an insult and put rooney in that spot


On the whole I don't really agree with all the selections, but the best finisher in the world comment seems to be accurate.

The choice of Maicon seems to be one where they couldn't think of any players recognisable by name.

Cruz, Trez, Cordoba, Buffon, Doni and Vargas (just!) all deserve place.
i have to admit that maicon is having a great season
 
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Best in the world is really sick. U can be the best 100m runner, the best freestyle swimmer, but football is team game and if u dont play against great teams from week to week, and save average player shots, u cant say that u are better than those guys who play in CL and La Liga/EPL. Buffon and Trez have played maybe 5-10 highest quality games this season, and thats just absurd comparison.
You can't exactly blame Buffon for not being in the Champions league to be fair. The quality of saves he has made this season has been far above most people though. He proved himself on the world stage a year ago, and with the defense we have, he has done great for us.

I don't really agree with your comments about the best players either. You say that they have to play in the best league, to be the best, so when Pele was in Brazil and not in Europe, you think he wasn't the best? I might be misinterpreting you though so apologies if so.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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Best in the world is really sick. U can be the best 100m runner, the best freestyle swimmer, but football is team game and if u dont play against great teams from week to week, and save average player shots, u cant say that u are better than those guys who play in CL and La Liga/EPL. Buffon and Trez have played maybe 5-10 highest quality games this season, and thats just absurd comparison.
Buffon has already proven on the world stage, that he is the best..whether its CL or the WC he has proven himself to be the best..

the others i dont agree with..i do not believe that Trez is the best striker in the world, and i dont believe that Cambiasso is even close to the best defensive mid in the world.
 

pitbull

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-> juve4eva&fred

Im not blaming Buffon or Trez for anything. Best in the world so far this season. The fact they have been great for many years or that he is proven in big stages really dont matter when we talk about this season. Its like - Kaka is the best player in the world, but he isnt even in Serie A starting 11. Buffon is the best keeper in Serie A, but he isnt even bench warmer if we talk about this seasons best goalies, cuz he just isnt playing in big games as much as others (Casillias, Chech, VDS, ...). We see how great the player is in big games not against Siena or Empoli, so we have very few Buffon games to compare against the guys listed higher in my post.
 
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Best in the world is really sick. U can be the best 100m runner, the best freestyle swimmer, but football is team game and if u dont play against great teams from week to week, and save average player shots, u cant say that u are better than those guys who play in CL and La Liga/EPL. Buffon and Trez have played maybe 5-10 highest quality games this season, and thats just absurd comparison.

sounds like interista excuse

without Buffon Italia nt would be raped by France in World Cup final.
without Trezeguet,France could not win Euro 2000.

Juventus' players decided fate of World Cups and European Championships like old Juventini before them.
 

Esteban

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Buffon is the best keeper in Serie A, but he isnt even bench warmer if we talk about this seasons best goalies, cuz he just isnt playing in big games as much as others (Casillias, Chech, VDS, ...). We see how great the player is in big games not against Siena or Empoli, so we have very few Buffon games to compare against the guys listed higher in my post.
Mate. That is the most ridiculous piece of garbage I've read in quite a while.
 

The Arif

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-> juve4eva&fred

Im not blaming Buffon or Trez for anything. Best in the world so far this season. The fact they have been great for many years or that he is proven in big stages really dont matter when we talk about this season. Its like - Kaka is the best player in the world, but he isnt even in Serie A starting 11. Buffon is the best keeper in Serie A, but he isnt even bench warmer if we talk about this seasons best goalies, cuz he just isnt playing in big games as much as others (Casillias, Chech, VDS, ...). We see how great the player is in big games not against Siena or Empoli, so we have very few Buffon games to compare against the guys listed higher in my post.

:howler: So let's say, the Dinamo Kiev keeper is better than Buffon because he played in CL and Buffon didn't. :lol2:
 
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