Oh no, now these evens everything, as a matter of fact, they should kill another 8.000 just in case someone posts and tells something against Israel.
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I understand the high human life cost, but if Hamas rule doesn't end where does this stop? We just wait for another 7 of October? Never-ending rounds of hostilities?
There is no appeasing them, no ground for negotiation and no long term diplomatic solution.
There will also never be an agreement with the PLO without Gaza, removing Hamas is a perquisite there as well.
I understand the criticism, some of it over the top imo but that's fine. You can blame it entirely on Israel, fine. But we are where we at.
Asking for ceasefire is just postponing an inevitable, is death easier to digest when its portioned? Will life be easier in the strip as we keep doing this forever?
What is the alternative here guys? Really asking.
There is no appeasing them, no ground for negotiation and no long term diplomatic solution.
There will also never be an agreement with the PLO without Gaza, removing Hamas is a perquisite there as well.
I understand the criticism, some of it over the top imo but that's fine. You can blame it entirely on Israel, fine. But we are where we at.
Asking for ceasefire is just postponing an inevitable, is death easier to digest when its portioned? Will life be easier in the strip as we keep doing this forever?
What is the alternative here guys? Really asking.
My 2 cents.
This kinda reminds me of the godfather trilogy. Though Michael's original motive was a reasonable one, saving his family, the Machiavellian means he felt forced to use consumed his soul and their consequences reverberated across decades costing him many family members ironically and sucking him in, preventing him from getting out no matter how hard he tried.
The israel project hinges on outside support whether you like it or not, and gone are the days when you can just kill off and imprison a whole generation of a region with impunity. So Israel has 2 choices for the short term, keep bombing gaza and gradually lose the teetering support it has now completely, or do it the hard way and probably lose 10s of thousands of soldiers. Both choices suck, but i think the latter is the way to go, problem is you guys have to win, because if you don't you are really fucked, and unfortunately so are most of us because you will drag the west to fight 100%.
On the long term, i think it's all about isolating iran. I know you dont buy it, but imo arabs would have made peace with israel pre oct 7th if a fair deal was presented instead of the constant stalling.
This will take a while to digest for everyone involved but with a change in leadership in both israel and the US, i can see the same willingness from arabs in a few years. No arab nation likes iran and everyone wants this Palestinian chapter closed.
This kinda reminds me of the godfather trilogy. Though Michael's original motive was a reasonable one, saving his family, the Machiavellian means he felt forced to use consumed his soul and their consequences reverberated across decades costing him many family members ironically and sucking him in, preventing him from getting out no matter how hard he tried.
The israel project hinges on outside support whether you like it or not, and gone are the days when you can just kill off and imprison a whole generation of a region with impunity. So Israel has 2 choices for the short term, keep bombing gaza and gradually lose the teetering support it has now completely, or do it the hard way and probably lose 10s of thousands of soldiers. Both choices suck, but i think the latter is the way to go, problem is you guys have to win, because if you don't you are really fucked, and unfortunately so are most of us because you will drag the west to fight 100%.
On the long term, i think it's all about isolating iran. I know you dont buy it, but imo arabs would have made peace with israel pre oct 7th if a fair deal was presented instead of the constant stalling.
This will take a while to digest for everyone involved but with a change in leadership in both israel and the US, i can see the same willingness from arabs in a few years. No arab nation likes iran and everyone wants this Palestinian chapter closed.
I don’t think anyone here can give you a solution.
what I personally dislike about this war is the media and Israel making Israel the victim. They’re not victims at the least, they’re the oppressors.
other than that, it’s probably better if they just go full villain and end Palestine. I think you’re right, there won’t be a good solution there, it’s probably one country or the other.
One huge negative is that the tensions with the Arab world will continue to be there, probably even worse than before. But as long as Israel can stop expanding and stick to their spot, they might be able to normalize relations with UAE in the future and build from there.
what I personally dislike about this war is the media and Israel making Israel the victim. They’re not victims at the least, they’re the oppressors.
other than that, it’s probably better if they just go full villain and end Palestine. I think you’re right, there won’t be a good solution there, it’s probably one country or the other.
One huge negative is that the tensions with the Arab world will continue to be there, probably even worse than before. But as long as Israel can stop expanding and stick to their spot, they might be able to normalize relations with UAE in the future and build from there.
Again.
Israelis feel like they don't need outside support, let alone that their project hinges on it. Tomice is a clear example of that.
It's ironic, because at the same time they try to force the hand of American and European politicians every chance they get.
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Israelis feel like they don't need outside support, let alone that their project hinges on it. Tomice is a clear example of that.
It's ironic, because at the same time they try to force the hand of American and European politicians every chance they get.
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You are right.
Alternatives are few and far between and all of them are difficult to realise.
But I think ending the cycle of violence is a prerequisite to think about fundamental solutions. A more targeted, smaller reaction from Israel to Hamas could be key to that.
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Alternatives are few and far between and all of them are difficult to realise.
But I think ending the cycle of violence is a prerequisite to think about fundamental solutions. A more targeted, smaller reaction from Israel to Hamas could be key to that.
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And progressive students and even profs continue to go full retard around the world.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/anti-israel-concordia
But but but… we aren’t pro-Hamas, just pro-Palestine. Bullshit.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/anti-israel-concordia
But but but… we aren’t pro-Hamas, just pro-Palestine. Bullshit.
