Israeli-Palestinian conflict (35 Viewers)

[swag]

While I agree that many Israeli government officials are downright criminal, it feels a bit disingenuous to not mention that they are facing an adversary that wants them wiped from the Earth.

You can't compare that to Nazi Germany at all.

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And yet no one is stopping to question how you reach peace by escalating mutual destruction.

It's getting pretty difficult for either side to resist wanting the wipe the other from the earth at this rate, and that's the root of the growing problem that's merely getting worse for a generation or more to come.

Can't fire him?? Are you serious

Well, in Israel it can be like Yitzhak Rabin. Sometimes all it takes is a nut job settler in the West Bank with a gun to change political figures. Hardline Israelis are as dangerous to the lives of government officers as Hamas terrorists.

 

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[Post Ironic]

The motive of the adversary is irrelevant, genocide is genocide. People were hanged in Nuremberg for much less. Also that's an adversary israel helped create and kept alive to push their criminal agenda.

So you also agree that the UN should arrest the leaders of Hamas, PLO, Hezbollah, IRGC, Iran, etc and try them like the Nazis were at Nuremberg? China too for the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Uighurs. Russia for Ukraine.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

So you also agree that the UN should arrest the leaders of Hamas, Hezbollah, IRGC, Iran, etc and try them like the Nazis were at Nuremberg?

Yes, anyone in power who calls for the eradication of a people ought to be brought to justice.

 

[Seven]

So you also agree that the UN should arrest the leaders of Hamas, PLO, Hezbollah, IRGC, Iran, etc and try them like the Nazis were at Nuremberg? China too for the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Uighurs. Russia for Ukraine.

Yes.

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[Stevie]

why ireland though? is it because they are ''snake free''?

Irish are very supportive of Palestines and vice versa because we have suffered the same kind of oppression, colonialism and violence.

 

[Lion]

Yes, anyone in power who calls for the eradication of a people ought to be brought to justice.

oofff. so i'm safe then thank god

i'm neither in power, nor do i want eradication of people. just eradication of their ability to watch games.

 

[Post Ironic]

Yes, anyone in power who calls for the eradication of a people ought to be brought to justice.

Yes.

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We’re all in agreement then.

One question is where that line ends though? George W. and his advisors for war crimes with regards to Iraq? The Saudis for what they are doing in Yemen? Qatari leaders for hosting Hamas leaders and giving them a pulpit to preach from? Western leaders for continuing to supply arms that Israel uses for war crimes?

The ICC is pretty much a non-entity when it comes to prosecuting any officials from the major powers. It requires being vanquished in war and then arrested.

And the other question is, if Western and developed nations were to allow their politicians to be prosecuted by the ICC, how are the leaders of terrorist orgs like Hamas, Hezbollah, IRGC to be held accountable without going to war against them? Or bad actors like Iran, Russia, China? Now this doesn’t mean First World War crimes shouldn’t be held to account just because the other guys are doing it too or doing worse… but I think it’s a valid question as to how pariah states and terrorist orgs can be held accountable as well.

 

[BayernFan]

you cant compare them to nazis, true. they are lower than that. nazis never wanted to wipe out mankind from the earth.

No, the Nazis never wanted to wipe anyone out.

Just as long you made sure you were not Jew, communist, social democrat, mentally disabled, gypsy, Russian/other slavs, jehovas witnesses, homosexual and the list goes on.

No plans to wipe anyone of the Earth there if we try to exclude that list.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

No, the Nazis never wanted to wipe anyone out.

Just as long you made sure you were not Jew, communist, social democrat, mentally disabled, gypsy, Russian/other slavs, jehovas witnesses, homosexual and the list goes on.

No plans to wipe anyone of the Earth there if we try to exclude that list.

if everything goes according to their plan, zionazi will wipe everyone out, regardless of them being on that list of yours or not. they dont discriminate.

 

[BayernFan]

if everything goes according to their plan, zionazi will wipe everyone out, regardless of them being on that list of yours or not. they dont discriminate.

 

[X Æ A-12]

if everything goes according to their plan, zionazi will wipe everyone out, regardless of them being on that list of yours or not. they dont discriminate.

if possible what is a positive, yet realistic, outcome you see here?

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

if you behave, they might keep you as a pet to do their menial tasks.

if possible what is a positive, yet realistic, outcome you see here?

in palestine or worldwide?

 

[X Æ A-12]

in palestine or worldwide?

palestine and surrounding region

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

palestine and surrounding region

palestine did well to hold their ground until now, but they might get swallowed in the end. when/if that happens israel will start pestering the others along their way to ''promised lands'', starting with water sources.

 

[Tomice]

palestine did well to hold their ground until now, but they might get swallowed in the end. when/if that happens israel will start pestering the others along their way to ''promised lands'', starting with water sources.

Is that a positive outcome for you now?

Oh the duality of men.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Is that a positive outcome for you now?

Oh the duality of men.

negative outcome is that israel unleashing the mass destruction weapons they have been stockpiling for decades. the ones that nobody knows nor dares to question.

 

[Elvin]

palestine did well to hold their ground until now, but they might get swallowed in the end. when/if that happens israel will start pestering the others along their way to ''promised lands'', starting with water sources.

honest question: would you personally go and fight for Arabs?

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

honest question: would you personally go and fight for Arabs?

no. i am not a soldier and manpower is not what they are lacking.

 

[Seven]

no. i am not a soldier and manpower is not what they are lacking.

You are a lover.

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We’re all in agreement then.

One question is where that line ends though? George W. and his advisors for war crimes with regards to Iraq? The Saudis for what they are doing in Yemen? Qatari leaders for hosting Hamas leaders and giving them a pulpit to preach from? Western leaders for continuing to supply arms that Israel uses for war crimes?

The ICC is pretty much a non-entity when it comes to prosecuting any officials from the major powers. It requires being vanquished in war and then arrested.

And the other question is, if Western and developed nations were to allow their politicians to be prosecuted by the ICC, how are the leaders of terrorist orgs like Hamas, Hezbollah, IRGC to be held accountable without going to war against them? Or bad actors like Iran, Russia, China? Now this doesn’t mean First World War crimes shouldn’t be held to account just because the other guys are doing it too or doing worse… but I think it’s a valid question as to how pariah states and terrorist orgs can be held accountable as well.

Those are valid questions, but they are not matters of principle.

The principle comes first, the execution comes second.

All countries should allow all leaders to be prosecuted by the ICC's Prosecutor. We should be in agreement that anyone who commits war crimes or crimes against humanity, no matter their nationality or function, will be prosecuted. Pariah states and terrorist organizations are something else though, because they are often (or always really) punishable by national law. So why take the more difficult international route, if you can just punish them through the normal criminal system.

 

[BayernFan]