Israeli-Palestinian conflict (92 Viewers)

[AFL_ITALIA]

You know where I’ve seen these atrocities before? Rape, pillage, torture and execution of civilians?

Bucha

You know who’s birthday it was when Hamas invaded Israel?

You know who needs to distract from Ukraine while executing his plan to disrupt global forces of stability and power?

I’m surprised more people aren’t connecting the dots on this.

Are there not generally good relations between Russia and Israel?

 

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Are there not generally good relations between Russia and Israel?

it’s a win for Israel, they get to take over Gaza with the full approval from the rest of the world.

 

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it’s a win for Israel, they get to take over Gaza with the full approval from the rest of the world.

Depends if it damages their chances at the abraham accords though no? Wouldn't that be an even bigger win than flattening gaza?

 

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Depends if it damages their chances at the abraham accords though no? Wouldn't that be an even bigger win than flattening gaza?

I think Gordo posted a video from 2000 something where netanyahu says he doesn’t care and can find ways around accords.

I don’t think it damages anything, the rest of the Muslim countries don’t really seem to give a shit about Palestine. Maybe Iran but only because they’re useful to their cause.

 

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I think Gordo posted a video from 2000 something where netanyahu says he doesn’t care and can find ways around accords.

I don’t think it damages anything, the rest of the Muslim countries don’t really seem to give a shit about Palestine. Maybe Iran but only because they’re useful to their cause.

Sure the government of saudi arabia doesn't care and wants to normalize relations with israel but what happens if israel kills 10s of thousands of palestinians over the next few days. Outrage in the islamic world could be so immense that the arab govts who want to normalize israel relations will face immense domestic public pressure to back out

At least that seems to me like the only logical explanation ive heard for why hamas would launch this attack

 

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Sure the government of saudi arabia doesn't care and wants to normalize relations with israel but what happens if israel kills 10s of thousands of palestinians over the next few days. Outrage in the islamic world could be so immense that the arab govts who want to normalize israel relations will face immense domestic public pressure to back out

At least that seems to me like the only logical explanation ive heard for why hamas would launch this attack

Could be, I don’t think the backlash will be coming from the west and it’s possible that Israel and Saudi Arabia/morocco etc are okay with that. They can just say Palestine asked for it and call it a day.

based on the amount of bombing Israel is doing right now, I would expect the backlash to have started but instead we have Biden and Blinken getting teary eyed about Israel babies they may or may have not seen.

 

[Ronn]

Sure the government of saudi arabia doesn't care and wants to normalize relations with israel but what happens if israel kills 10s of thousands of palestinians over the next few days. Outrage in the islamic world could be so immense that the arab govts who want to normalize israel relations will face immense domestic public pressure to back out

At least that seems to me like the only logical explanation ive heard for why hamas would launch this attack

that was the main goal of the attack IMO, and it seems like it’s successful, although with a very heavy price.

 

[Hist]

Sure the government of saudi arabia doesn't care and wants to normalize relations with israel but what happens if israel kills 10s of thousands of palestinians over the next few days. Outrage in the islamic world could be so immense that the arab govts who want to normalize israel relations will face immense domestic public pressure to back out

At least that seems to me like the only logical explanation ive heard for why hamas would launch this attack

Agree. This puts on pause the normalization efforts and depending on how bloody the retaliation is, potentially rolls it back. There is so much to be gained on all sides if you form a soft alliance/cooperation between the Saudis, UAE, Egypt, Kuwait, Qatar and Israel etc.. All but the Palestinians ofc.

Iran ofc fears being the only pariah excluded from this coalition and so has every incentive to destabilize it. From their perspective, they're seeing the gulf states grow in power, diversifying their economies away to become less oil dependent and liberalizing internally away from Islamism. As a fully oil-dependent Islamist state this is a horrifying prospect. They know they'll be squeezed out and they can see that their own population is increasingly rejecting their ideology.

Thats why if Israel are smart and dont act out of emotion they would practice restraint and be methodical in taking out Hamas and only Hamas. Doesn't look like this is happening. If they let emotion take over and prioritize a further land grab or revenge over normalization, then they've lost sight of the big picture.

 

[Seven]

You know where I’ve seen these atrocities before? Rape, pillage, torture and execution of civilians?

Bucha

You know who’s birthday it was when Hamas invaded Israel?

You know who needs to distract from Ukraine while executing his plan to disrupt global forces of stability and power?

I’m surprised more people aren’t connecting the dots on this.

There are.

Of course I wouldn't expect you to see it, but it was an entire item of debate on Belgian tv yesterday.

I understand the idea, but it could still be coincidental.

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There are.

Of course I wouldn't expect you to see it, but it was an entire item of debate on Belgian tv yesterday.

I understand the idea, but it could still be coincidental.

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I’ll give it that. And I don’t like conspiracy theories. But those scenes are just like Bucha. And he stands to benefit from this more than anyone.

You could question whether Israel and Russia had better relations than that. It’s pretty clear that Netanyahu shops at Putinmart, and Putin made all sorts of sabre-rattling about saving the Jews from Ukrainian Nazis.

Yet Putin still bombed the crap out of synagogues. And a lot of oligarchs in the House of Putin have been seeking Israeli citizenship as an out. So I don’t see Russia supporting Israel any further than it advances its own interest, selling it out if there are higher bidders.

 

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You know where I’ve seen these atrocities before? Rape, pillage, torture and execution of civilians?

Bucha

You know who’s birthday it was when Hamas invaded Israel?

You know who needs to distract from Ukraine while executing his plan to disrupt global forces of stability and power?

I’m surprised more people aren’t connecting the dots on this.

but you think Putin's motivations here would be solely to distract from ukraine?

 

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but you think Putin's motivations here would be solely to distract from ukraine?

Partly. The grander plan is the dissolution of the world order and other economic and military superpowers.

Putin is kind of a true commie that way: rather than improve the lives of Russians, he’d rather lower the bar for everyone else.

 

[U Picciriddu]

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1712465490160050516?s=48&t=kzEoicQPYOJoSI5eLo2DOA

 

[s4tch]

so many macgyvers

gotta admire the naivety of some humanitarian organizations

 

[Enron]

Bibi dropped the “baby pics”. Google at your own peril.

 

[Bjerknes]

That's one of the many examples of Hamas not really caring about their own population.

Shame on Yahoo for installing them.

 

[U Picciriddu]

so many macgyvers

gotta admire the naivety of some humanitarian organizations

Yes but watch out for fake news though. The 40 babies was quite a stretch too

 

[Tomice]

it’s a win for Israel, they get to take over Gaza with the full approval from the rest of the world.

We already unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005. It was done by Sharon who was way way more hawkish than bibi.

That's one of the many examples of Hamas not really caring about their own population.

Shame on Yahoo for installing them.

Hamas was installed by the Gazans themselves, by democratic election in 2006.

Also the prime minister was Olmert not bibi.

 

[Bjerknes]

The land grab will begin in 24 hours.

“The Israeli Ministry of Defense and the IDF notified the UN just before midnight local time to evacuate its staff and notify Palestinians living north of Wadi Gaza that they should evacuate to the southern part of the Gaza Strip in the next 24 hours"

https://x.com/lookner/status/1712662996881699211?s=46&t=44zFspkwtn4Oth1i9vk6Xg

Just imagine being one of these people not associated with Hamas. This is fucking insane.

 

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Human Rights Watch says Israel used white phosphorus in Gaza, Lebanon

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...ed-white-phosphorous-gaza-lebanon-2023-10-12/

As I remember, this was the "red line" in Syria.